Flores: Tua benched, not hurt

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They probably should've just stuck it out with Fitz for the season because Tua ain't ready. 

[prissythecat]

2 hours ago, High Football IQ said:

I won't be surprised if Tua comes out and has a career game against the Jets this week (which still won't say much given the it's the Jets).

 

This kid was one of most dominant players in college football history and it's very dangerous to write him off after his first bad game.

 

Either way 5 career starts is nowhere close to a sufficient body of work and most experts (and Bills fans) wrote Josh Allen off after almost 2 full NFL season, including myself.

 

Was Tua dominant or was Alabama dominant?   Tebow was also a dominant college player in his time and set quite a few records as I recall.  However ,  He played on a team that was miles ahead of most other teams in terms of talent.   He also had an odd hitch to his delivery .  Tua also has a hitch but his is not as bad.  But I think its still a problem.  He seems to get the ball out noticeably slower.

 

Also,  why should we trust your assessment of college QBs when you  proclaimed Darnold as the best QB from the 2018 draft class last year lol.

[Manther]

17 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

They have the Texans pick, which is a possible top 5 pick, i think they want to know what they have in Tua before making a decision to get another QB with that pick. 

I think it is that simple.  Maybe they feel they have enough information to make that decision now.  So, they can play Fitz knowing what they have with Tua going into the draft.  

 

PS.  GREAT win by the Texans for multiple reasons, go Bills!

[dorquemada]

30 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

Was Tua dominant or was Alabama dominant?   Tebow was also a dominant college player in his time and set quite a few records as I recall.  However ,  He played on a team that was miles ahead of most other teams in terms of talent.   He also had an odd hitch to his delivery .  Tua also has a hitch but his is not as bad.  But I think its still a problem.  He seems to get the ball out noticeably slower.

 

Also,  why should we trust your assessment of college QBs when you  proclaimed Darnold as the best QB from the 2018 draft class last year lol.

 

Tua was dominant.  But, before him, Jalen Hurts was dominant some/most of the time too.

 

The real issue for Tua is that he's way more tentative now than he ever was in college, and i'm perfectly willing to chalk that up to his pretty awful injury.  In fact, that injury was strange because it seemed to be much worse than warranted based on the hit.  If I had to guess, he's gonna have a short career, and it's going to end by a medium hit by a linebacker that most other QB's would just shake off.

 

 

[reddogblitz]

13 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

He doesn't move well.........there were plays where MOST young QB's can get away from the rush or get to the edge running the ball.......but Tua........who used to be quick and fast.......couldn't.

 

Maybe he needs to start playing Orton-Ball?  Camp out in the pocket and if the pressure gets to him, dive to the ground.I

 

13 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Fitz is just one of the best humans to ever play the game. 

 

I'm going with Roger Staubach on this one.

Edited November 23, 2020 by reddogblitz

[QLBillsFan]

Alabama had the #1 recruiting class while Tua was QB. Current QB will also likely be a first round pick. I think it’s less injury and more arm strength and nfl D coaching along with speed of the game. Can he better a decent QB, sure. But he has a long way to go. Had he gone to SD the talent on O was significantly better and he may have ramped up quicker. Having said that i think Herbert would be starting in Miami. 

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, QLBillsFan said:

I totally agree to write off Tua after five games is foolish. The JA comparisons are not the same. JA was panned by 2/3 of the media. Before the hip media had Tua as the 2nd coming of Manning. As far as his college performance. He played on the most talented team in college for four years. With multiple #1 draft choices to throw or hand to.

 

The current eye test shows some kinks but he needs time and confidence. Clearly he’s not ready for a playoff run. Is the decision based on 1 wanting to win now ?2 in response to Burrow/ Herbert being good now? 3 A directive from the owner?  If they think he’s better than Herbert long term they will stay with him and not draft another #1 qb. That draft was 6 months ago with the same decision makers in place. It’s not like Rosen so I deduct they do not draft a QB and they have stated as much. 

Imagine Josh in college with Bamas skill talent 

[QLBillsFan]

Lawrence like production. 

[BillsFanSD]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Imagine Josh in college with Bamas skill talent 

Josh wouldn't have fallen to #7 in that scenario, so no I'd prefer not to imagine this thank you very much.

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, High Football IQ said:

I won't be surprised if Tua comes out and has a career game against the Jets this week (which still won't say much given the it's the Jets).

 

This kid was one of most dominant players in college football history and it's very dangerous to write him off after his first bad game.

 

Either way 5 career starts is nowhere close to a sufficient body of work and most experts (and Bills fans) wrote Josh Allen off after almost 2 full NFL season, including myself.

 

I know you do a lot of thinking and have a lot of concerns but consider these points.

 

1.  IF there is ONE GAME that Gase would want to win this season it's the upcoming Jets/Dolphins game in New Jersey.

2.  Greggo just seen and now has tape that Tua can crumble under pressure.  I'm sure he will dial it up.

3.  Tua's "honeymoon" is over.  He now has pressure on performing quickly to avoid another "hook" or disappointing losses.

4.  The Dolphin as a team/fans now will have to decide IF Tua's development is worth risking a playoff possibility.

 

As horrible as the Jets are it could easily be a tough close game.

[CapeBreton]

18 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Gotta think phins might be thinking herbert was the pick. 

At the time, Dolphins fans would have rioted if they picked Herbert over Tua. Everyone seemed to hate on Herbert pre-draft, even Chargers fans hated the pick. 

[QLBillsFan]

The experts had it as a toss up. He’s JA ahead of schedule with better weapons. AFC West is going to be the best division in football for a good stretch. 

[Just Joshin']

4 hours ago, Big Gun said:

There was speculation that Miami wanted to see if Tua had the goods or not because of Trevor Lawrence. Miami has 2 first round picks and were thought to maybe use them in a package deal to move up and get Lawrence should Tua not be any good, but they needed to find that out first, hence why Flores hand was forced and Fitzy benched. Sounds plausible but who knows.

If Lawrence is as advertised the team in the #1 spot would never trade out.  Fields maybe, Lawrence not.

[Just Joshin']

57 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

At the time, Dolphins fans would have rioted if they picked Herbert over Tua. Everyone seemed to hate on Herbert pre-draft, even Chargers fans hated the pick. 

Many fans hated the Allen pick - not a good way to pick a QB.

[QLBillsFan]

Exactly Tebow is great example. Johnny M as well. Beane picking JA looks pretty darn good right now even if just vs his draft class. Long term would you want JA vs any of them including Baker and Lamar? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

the GMFB crew love them some Flores, but overall disapprove:

https://www.nfl.com/videos/schrager-dolphins-playing-with-fire-by-benching-tua-in-fourth-quarter

[Stank_Nasty]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

the GMFB crew love them some Flores, but overall disapprove:

https://www.nfl.com/videos/schrager-dolphins-playing-with-fire-by-benching-tua-in-fourth-quarter

I’ll try and cut Brandt some slack because he’s been trumpeting our bills since last year but wow did he cross borders with the quickness. Since about 2 weeks ago he’s been crowning Tua and the fins in the East. 

5 hours ago, High Football IQ said:

I won't be surprised if Tua comes out and has a career game against the Jets this week (which still won't say much given the it's the Jets).

 

This kid was one of most dominant players in college football history and it's very dangerous to write him off after his first bad game.

 

Either way 5 career starts is nowhere close to a sufficient body of work and most experts (and Bills fans) wrote Josh Allen off after almost 2 full NFL season, including myself.

Don’t you dare dry and lump us in with you. Don’t freakin do it. 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

Tua was dominant.  But, before him, Jalen Hurts was dominant some/most of the time too.

 

The real issue for Tua is that he's way more tentative now than he ever was in college, and i'm perfectly willing to chalk that up to his pretty awful injury.  In fact, that injury was strange because it seemed to be much worse than warranted based on the hit.  If I had to guess, he's gonna have a short career, and it's going to end by a medium hit by a linebacker that most other QB's would just shake off.

 

 

 

Or is he way more tentative because his bevy of #1 pick WR's in college don't have 5 yards of separation on every dropback with every player running wide open doesn't exist in the NFL?  2 yards is wide open in the NFL and you have to be able to fit the ball in there and make the throws.  

 

I am not writing him off, but I don't see anything that scares me AT ALL in regards to him being in the AFC East and having to face him twice a year.  Allen is simply better than he is.

Edited November 23, 2020 by matter2003

[dorquemada]

33 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Exactly Tebow is great example. Johnny M as well. Beane picking JA looks pretty darn good right now even if just vs his draft class. Long term would you want JA vs any of them including Baker and Lamar? 

 

yeah there's an utterly ridiculous article on ESPN+

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/30343834/ranking-nfl-franchise-quarterbacks-how-2017-2021-draft-classes-stack-why-trevor-lawrence-high-list

 

The net is that they have TREVOR LAWRENCE ranked #2 behind Patrick Mahomes for NFL franchise QBs.  A guy who hasnt played a down in the NFL, and has the benefit of playing on a stacked college team is going to be better than Josh Allen.  Allen is #7 on this dumb list for what it's worth

 

[QLBillsFan]

I’m gonna guess Tua was #2 or #3 last year 😂. And JA was about 50🤷🏻‍♂️🤓