The future for both parties and realignment

[Big Blitz]

Realignment has happened and it culminated in the s..t show that is 2020.  

 

The GOP needs to embrace the following in a "rebrand."

 

Classical liberals. in the truist sense of the meaning.  Think Thomas Jefferson.  Not Josef Stalin.  We forward think.  Enough of the Big Lie of the last 20 years that the Dems are the forward thinkers.  A New Center Right coalition must reach out to everyone turned off by what they're seeing on that ....other team.  

 

The realignment that has happened which the "left" doesn't understand or realize has happened to them, "Liberals" that came of age from 1970 to 2000 have not been liberals working for the working man.  They have morphed into big government statists seeking power and control that want you to think they represent you.  By you know, making you dependent on them.  That isn't forward thinking.  That isn't thinking at all.  And it might be the biggest lie believed by far too many in America.  Why would you want people happy and successful when your base relies on poverty and misery? 

 

The Democrats today are supporting suppression of free thought by simply remaining complicit as Silicon Valley decides the thought.  All working for Democrats of course so great deal for them.  But they have deliberately gone silent on the culture wars in which one side (their base) works night and day to cancel someone.  Anyone right of center.  

 

But that spectrum has "realigned" and doesn't exist because there is no left.  If there are any true liberals, they would call this out.  But they don't.  See fascists don't see themselves as being on the ideological spectrum.  They thought they were above it and their ideas were superior to everyone else.  Whatever got them to achieve their ends.  And you remained loyal to the State.  Does that sound anything like the people the Ds are calling fascists?   

 

The Democrats in America are so quick to want to call Trump and Republicans the fascists but why?  Who has been oppressed and silenced by the right?  Who has lost a job because they support Biden?  Which side feels like it can't even say anything?   Who is out there calling for lists of Trump voters to be scorned and not get a lick of media coverage not named Breitbart to call it out?  One of them with a blue check mark and has an actual job as a jOuRnAliSt actually asked if Trump voters need re education camps.  Obama sucked as president.  By I never once thought of his voters the way the left does Trump voters.  All 74 million of us and however many more are on flash drives somewhere.  

 

 

The New Right, that's what we are, its a hybrid of populism and classical liberalism.  Yes it can be both.  A big tent center right coalition.  And it needs proper spokesmen.  Their side would say spokesperson.  Yea we're done with 1984.  So the right can do this because its sound, and because the left has gone off the reservation.  In their 1984 universe that word is probably offensive and triggering.    

 

DC has a role.  But it needs to be limited.  The playing field in America is an equal one so long as you adhere to a few simple principles.  The most important being a respect for individual and minority rights.  That the country and all it's people are generally good and want to get along but the impediment to that is the Establishment media, and this new fascist new left.  

 

The Statists (big government control) vs the New Center Right (classical liberals).  That's the realignment.  Its official.  GOP needs to find a way to make that work.  Conservative values are obviously still a hallmark.  But it's not how you run in 2020 and beyond by saying "I'm a true conservative."  Appeal to the working man.  Have ideas that resonate.  And yes, you are going to have to do a few things that will absolutely get the sane moderate on board.  You're going to have to increase taxes on the wealthy.  And you are going to have to support renewables.  AND fossil fuels.  I'm sorry but I'm failing to see why unwavering support for fossil fuels is conservative.  Who cares?   Explain that transitions that won't devastate our economy are taking place where we can.  The Energy industry is doing a lot of this on it's own.  When they ask you if you believe in global warming you have to say yes, but that doesn't mean we just drop fossil fuels and end CO2 emissions because we can't.  As part of all infrastructure projects going green should not be a controversial decision so long as the costs to the working man aren't costs but savings.  The ship has sailed.  Just embrace it with small government principles.  Not crony capitalism.  

 

We are still a party that supports life but if you arent all aboard we won't not vote for you.  We've done it all the time.  The other side?  Yea there are zero pro life Democrats.  Let that sink in.  And we absolutely need to be a legit border hawk party.  Asylum does not include "I want to come to America bc my life is hard in Mexico."  That doesn't meet the criteria by law of asylum the media wont tell you about.  Come in. Legally.  Speak and learn English and assimilate.  That doesn't mean abandon your heritage.  It means embrace Western Civilization while you're at it or no, you aren't welcome here.  You came here to be an American not to live in America.  And the reason you need years before citizenship and the right to vote is because you may not be familiar with the West and what we are heirs to.  Assimilate.  

 

Appeal to the people that feel the Democrat Party has abandoned the Constitution in exchange for power to be just like China.  That resonates.  And yep, run as many minorities and women that understand this message and can articulate it all.  The voter likes to see diversity but our people will actually be intelligent forward thinkers, not just there to find ways to use government to screw up everything it touches and certainly not ignore the concerns of and writing off of half the country.

 

 

Thanks for reading.  Either flame away.  Ignore.  Run with it.  I don't care.  What I do care about is this country and my kids and yours futures.  And the dynamic of half the country spending all day trying to figure out how to dunk on the other half.  That a nasty anti American sentiment has permeated I'd say at least 30% of Democrats.  Its absolutely fascist.  That has to end by being beaten locally and statewide coast to coast.  

[shoshin]

This fantasy is nice but if you’re think picking an amoral man with no belief system is step one in convincing me that this is the new right, good luck. The right in the last four years lowered taxes and increased spending so color me skeptical that you are painting a dream already realized. 
 

The path forward to anything like the one you describe is to dump the extremes (Qanons and AOCs) and find reasonable people who can cut deals to move to anything like what you describe. 
 

Joining, not division, is needed. 

[oldmanfan]

I’m all for some of the stuff listed towards the end of the OP.  But what the Republican Party needs to embrace is actual Republican principals instead of bowing down to the man-child sitting in the White House for a few more weeks.  When Republicans stand for things like fiscal conservatism again they’ll have a functional party.

 

It’s also time to just ignore the lunatics on the fringes of both parties.  The vast majority of people in this country are in the center; time for them to take charge.

[TBBills]

If you cared about your kids you wouldn't be a nutbag.

The OP is the same idiot that posted the danish mask bull#### and never read the article just trusted some crazy guy on Twitter that retweeted it.... Same person that didn't think wearing masks mattered

[Coach Tuesday]

If the GOP embraces classical liberalism they’ll get my vote again.  Unfortunately I think libertarianism is becoming less and less mainstream and I don’t see any way Republicans can cement a majority by promising to cut social security, open the borders and abolish trade restrictions.  That would be a 180-degree flip from the Trump populist platform.  
 

And I’ll add - libertarianism and “states rights” don’t really coexist.  Most of the GOP base believe strongly that states should have the power to enact their own broad restrictions on liberty (drug laws, abortion laws, voter qualification requirements etc.).  That is directly at odds with true libertarianism.

Edited November 20, 2020 by Coach Tuesday

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Realignment has happened and it culminated in the s..t show that is 2020.  

 

The GOP needs to embrace the following in a "rebrand."

 

Classical liberals. in the truist sense of the meaning.  Think Thomas Jefferson.  Not Josef Stalin.  We forward think.  Enough of the Big Lie of the last 20 years that the Dems are the forward thinkers.  A New Center Right coalition must reach out to everyone turned off by what they're seeing on that ....other team.  

 

The realignment that has happened which the "left" doesn't understand or realize has happened to them, "Liberals" that came of age from 1970 to 2000 have not been liberals working for the working man.  They have morphed into big government statists seeking power and control that want you to think they represent you.  By you know, making you dependent on them.  That isn't forward thinking.  That isn't thinking at all.  And it might be the biggest lie believed by far too many in America.  Why would you want people happy and successful when your base relies on poverty and misery? 

 

The Democrats today are supporting suppression of free thought by simply remaining complicit as Silicon Valley decides the thought.  All working for Democrats of course so great deal for them.  But they have deliberately gone silent on the culture wars in which one side (their base) works night and day to cancel someone.  Anyone right of center.  

 

But that spectrum has "realigned" and doesn't exist because there is no left.  If there are any true liberals, they would call this out.  But they don't.  See fascists don't see themselves as being on the ideological spectrum.  They thought they were above it and their ideas were superior to everyone else.  Whatever got them to achieve their ends.  And you remained loyal to the State.  Does that sound anything like the people the Ds are calling fascists?   

 

The Democrats in America are so quick to want to call Trump and Republicans the fascists but why?  Who has been oppressed and silenced by the right?  Who has lost a job because they support Biden?  Which side feels like it can't even say anything?   Who is out there calling for lists of Trump voters to be scorned and not get a lick of media coverage not named Breitbart to call it out?  One of them with a blue check mark and has an actual job as a jOuRnAliSt actually asked if Trump voters need re education camps.  Obama sucked as president.  By I never once thought of his voters the way the left does Trump voters.  All 74 million of us and however many more are on flash drives somewhere.  

 

 

The New Right, that's what we are, its a hybrid of populism and classical liberalism.  Yes it can be both.  A big tent center right coalition.  And it needs proper spokesmen.  Their side would say spokesperson.  Yea we're done with 1984.  So the right can do this because its sound, and because the left has gone off the reservation.  In their 1984 universe that word is probably offensive and triggering.    

 

DC has a role.  But it needs to be limited.  The playing field in America is an equal one so long as you adhere to a few simple principles.  The most important being a respect for individual and minority rights.  That the country and all it's people are generally good and want to get along but the impediment to that is the Establishment media, and this new fascist new left.  

 

The Statists (big government control) vs the New Center Right (classical liberals).  That's the realignment.  Its official.  GOP needs to find a way to make that work.  Conservative values are obviously still a hallmark.  But it's not how you run in 2020 and beyond by saying "I'm a true conservative."  Appeal to the working man.  Have ideas that resonate.  And yes, you are going to have to do a few things that will absolutely get the sane moderate on board.  You're going to have to increase taxes on the wealthy.  And you are going to have to support renewables.  AND fossil fuels.  I'm sorry but I'm failing to see why unwavering support for fossil fuels is conservative.  Who cares?   Explain that transitions that won't devastate our economy are taking place where we can.  The Energy industry is doing a lot of this on it's own.  When they ask you if you believe in global warming you have to say yes, but that doesn't mean we just drop fossil fuels and end CO2 emissions because we can't.  As part of all infrastructure projects going green should not be a controversial decision so long as the costs to the working man aren't costs but savings.  The ship has sailed.  Just embrace it with small government principles.  Not crony capitalism.  

 

We are still a party that supports life but if you arent all aboard we won't not vote for you.  We've done it all the time.  The other side?  Yea there are zero pro life Democrats.  Let that sink in.  And we absolutely need to be a legit border hawk party.  Asylum does not include "I want to come to America bc my life is hard in Mexico."  That doesn't meet the criteria by law of asylum the media wont tell you about.  Come in. Legally.  Speak and learn English and assimilate.  That doesn't mean abandon your heritage.  It means embrace Western Civilization while you're at it or no, you aren't welcome here.  You came here to be an American not to live in America.  And the reason you need years before citizenship and the right to vote is because you may not be familiar with the West and what we are heirs to.  Assimilate.  

 

Appeal to the people that feel the Democrat Party has abandoned the Constitution in exchange for power to be just like China.  That resonates.  And yep, run as many minorities and women that understand this message and can articulate it all.  The voter likes to see diversity but our people will actually be intelligent forward thinkers, not just there to find ways to use government to screw up everything it touches and certainly not ignore the concerns of and writing off of half the country.

 

 

Thanks for reading.  Either flame away.  Ignore.  Run with it.  I don't care.  What I do care about is this country and my kids and yours futures.  And the dynamic of half the country spending all day trying to figure out how to dunk on the other half.  That a nasty anti American sentiment has permeated I'd say at least 30% of Democrats.  Its absolutely fascist.  That has to end by being beaten locally and statewide coast to coast.  

 

This post is nothing more than a litany of popular RW social media "political theory" labels and memes that bear no resemblance to reality.   The fact is that the Republican Party has spent the last 40 years pretending to support limited government and fiscal responsibility when, in fact, Republican POTUS have repeatedly expanded federal power while exploding the deficit with reckless tax cuts that have disproportionately benefited the wealthiest Americans by shifting the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle and lower classes, creating an ever increasing chasm between the wealthiest 5% of the population and the rest of Americans.  

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

This post is nothing more than a litany of popular RW social media "political theory" labels and memes that bear no resemblance to reality.   The fact is that the Republican Party has spent the last 40 years pretending to support limited government and fiscal responsibility when, in fact, Republican POTUS have repeatedly expanded federal power while exploding the deficit with reckless tax cuts that have disproportionately benefited the wealthiest Americans by shifting the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle and lower classes, creating an ever increasing chasm between the wealthiest 5% of the population and the rest of Americans.  

And you could say the exact same thing about Democrats, for years they’ve pretended to push progressive policies to favor the lower class but instead have enriched corporations, elites, and the bureaucratic lifers.  
 

Libertarianism produces harsh results but it might be the Least Worse Option.  And it’s a coherent set of principles - to quote Walter Sobchak, “At least it’s an ethos.”

[SoTier]

5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

If the GOP embraces classical liberalism they’ll get my vote again.  Unfortunately I think libertarianism is becoming less and less mainstream and I don’t see any way Republicans can cement a majority by promising to cut social security, open the borders and abolish trade restrictions.  That would be a 180-degree flip from the Trump populist platform.  
 

And I’ll add - libertarianism and “states rights” don’t really coexist.  Most of the GOP base believe strongly that states should have the power to enact their own broad restrictions on liberty (drug laws, abortion laws, voter qualification requirements etc.).  That is directly at odds with true libertarianism.

 

Libertarianism is not a viable political blueprint for governing a diverse country of 330+ million people in the modern world -- any more than any other "isms" of the right or left.  Actually, "isms" have never been anything more than intellectual exercises which, when attempted to put into practice in the real world, have always morphed into authoritarian regimes of one type or another.

 

You are dead right on  "states rights".

[shoshin]

32 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Libertarianism is not a viable political blueprint for governing a diverse country of 330+ million people in the modern world -- any more than any other "isms" of the right or left.  Actually, "isms" have never been anything more than intellectual exercises which, when attempted to put into practice in the real world, have always morphed into authoritarian regimes of one type or another.

 

You are dead right on  "states rights".

The Libertarian Party is a joke. 
 

Libertarian principles are not. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

I don't see either political party representing the interests of the majority of Americans.  They seem to cater to the extremists on the left and right. 

I think both parties are corrupt beyond repair both morally and ethically. 

I think corporations have too much power in our current system. 

I think the wealthy and powerful exert control no matter which party is in power. 

I think both parties have a penchant for getting into wars and conflicts that don't serve our interests but rather some special interest.

I think both parties are bankrupting the country through the accumulation of huge un-serviceable debts in order to buy votes and funnel government money to special interests while saddling future generations with the bill.  And the future is here now.

I think both presidential candidates are lifetime grifters and con artists. One feeding at the trough of the public treasury and selling influence for cash and the other a BS artist bilking and shaking down investors through the use of bankruptcy laws and shady side deals.

I think the people in the middle, whatever their race, or gender, or ethnicity, or religion, or other attributes and beliefs, that earn a paycheck or run a business, stay out of trouble, pay their bills, do the right thing, and keep the economy and society going get the shaft.  If they all went on strike for a week they could flush out the rats on both sides. 

 

I'd hope that moderates in both parties seeing common ground would break from both major parties and form a third party that would represent the middle ground where most people reside.  A true populist movement.  But this would take courage and vision.  Something in short supply at the moment. 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills

[shoshin]

All_Pro, it’s hard to find the passionate middle by definition. It’s one of the challenges of the two party system our government is geared for that it can amplify the extremes. 

[Tiberius]

Love how "Libertarianism" makes a big come back as soon as a Democrat is elected president. 

 

Which country in the world is the premier Libertarian country to model off of? 

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I don't see either political party representing the interests of the majority of Americans.  They seem to cater to the extremists on the left and right. 

I think both parties are corrupt beyond repair both morally and ethically. 

I think corporations have too much power in our current system. 

I think the wealthy and powerful exert control no matter which party is in power. 

I think both parties have a penchant for getting into wars and conflicts that don't serve our interests but rather some special interest.

I think both parties are bankrupting the country through the accumulation of huge un-serviceable debts in order to buy votes and funnel government money to special interests while saddling future generations with the bill.  And the future is here now.

I think both presidential candidates are lifetime grifters and con artists. One feeding at the trough of the public treasury and selling influence for cash and the other a BS artist bilking and shaking down investors through the use of bankruptcy laws and shady side deals.

I think the people in the middle, whatever their race, or gender, or ethnicity, or religion, or other attributes and beliefs, that earn a paycheck or run a business, stay out of trouble, pay their bills, do the right thing, and keep the economy and society going get the shaft.  If they all went on strike for a week they could flush out the rats on both sides. 

 

I'd hope that moderates in both parties seeing common ground would break from both major parties and form a third party that would represent the middle ground where most people reside.  A true populist movement.  But this would take courage and vision.  Something in short supply at the moment. 

 

 

I have advocated for the 537 party.  What this country desperately needs is 537 individuals, one for each Congressional district, one for each Senate seat, one each for President and Vic President to step up and say enough.  Those 537 would represent the center right and left, where most of the people are.  They might differ on specific policies, might be more liberal in social issues and more conservative on fiscal policy for example, but they would understand that they need to come together, debate, and then come to compromise and consensus to move the country forward.  They'd understand the value of term limits, and would work to actually get things done.

[Coach Tuesday]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Love how "Libertarianism" makes a big come back as soon as a Democrat is elected president. 

 

Which country in the world is the premier Libertarian country to model off of? 

Estonia may be the closest.  And before you chuckle, they are way ahead of the game in terms of incorporating technology to enhance individual freedoms.  Want to see major demographic shifts in voting?  Let people vote from their iPhones.  They also have become a real hub for startups - a Silicon Valley of Eastern Europe.

[Iron Maiden]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

I’m all for some of the stuff listed towards the end of the OP.  But what the Republican Party needs to embrace is actual Republican principals instead of bowing down to the man-child sitting in the White House for a few more weeks.  When Republicans stand for things like fiscal conservatism again they’ll have a functional party.

 

It’s also time to just ignore the lunatics on the fringes of both parties.  The vast majority of people in this country are in the center; time for them to take charge.

 

This..X100.......I'm baffled that we, as a country, tend to cater to the extremist of both parties....

I'm a proud Republican who despises Trump....I consider myself a moderate....the current GOP does not represent me at all....

[SoTier]

28 minutes ago, shoshin said:

The Libertarian Party is a joke. 
 

Libertarian principles are not. 

 

There will always be tension in a democratic society between individual rights and the social good.  It's not an easy balance to achieve.  The US, even today, is a whole lot closer to striking that balance than are most countries.  It could do a lot better, and it would do better, if ideologues -- ie "wingnuts" -- on both sides of the political spectrum didn't have the loudest voices. 

[shoshin]

8 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

 

This..X100.......I'm baffled that we, as a country, tend to cater to the extremist of both parties....

I'm a proud Republican who despises Trump....I consider myself a moderate....the current GOP does not represent me at all....

 

Social media has amplified the extremes. Who gets excited about a moderate? 

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

 

This..X100.......I'm baffled that we, as a country, tend to cater to the extremist of both parties....

I'm a proud Republican who despises Trump....I consider myself a moderate....the current GOP does not represent me at all....

Right there with you.  I am Independent, conservative on fiscal and law and order, more liberal on social issues.  In my lifetime I've voted for more Republicans than Democrats, although I always vote for the individual.  The current republican party is not Republican, it is a cult devoted to one man.  Nor is the Democratic party the party of Truman, although at least they had the sense to put a more moderate guy in the White House than, say, Bernie.

[shoshin]

9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Right there with you.  I am Independent, conservative on fiscal and law and order, more liberal on social issues.  In my lifetime I've voted for more Republicans than Democrats, although I always vote for the individual.  The current republican party is not Republican, it is a cult devoted to one man.  Nor is the Democratic party the party of Truman, although at least they had the sense to put a more moderate guy in the White House than, say, Bernie.

 

I have voted for 2 Democrats in my 7 presidential elections, including Biden in the last one. I'm right there with you on Trump. 

[Tiberius]

42 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Estonia may be the closest.  And before you chuckle, they are way ahead of the game in terms of incorporating technology to enhance individual freedoms.  Want to see major demographic shifts in voting?  Let people vote from their iPhones.  They also have become a real hub for startups - a Silicon Valley of Eastern Europe.

My Russian history professor at UB was an Estonian