HamSandwhich Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/17/2020 at 5:30 PM, BullBuchanan said: The point is in the title and the first sentence. The notion that "the media" is politically biased and thus cannot be trusted is false. They are financially biased. Whether or not you can trust that depends on how well you understand financial motivation. However, conflating the people that work at the corporations with the corporations themselves is likely where things get confused. As I've identified before, the tendency to hold "American conservative" views tends to diminish as education increases. Given that most roles involved within media tend to require advanced education, it stands to reason that those that work in the media will also be less likely to have "American conservative" views. This is also true of Big Tech. The fact that Facebook is made up of predominantly people that would be significantly more likely to have "American liberal" views could lead certain people to believe that Facebook is a "liberal" company, when that is not true in any sense of how they exist in the world. The may say and do some things in order to reap the benefits of appealing to their employees and their customer base, but the corporation itself does not hold a liberal political ideology beyond that. The claim that it does, and the lack of understanding why it doesn't, is what allows anti-intellectualism and crazy conspiracy theories to fester which further draws people to extreme ends of the political spectrum. The idea that a corporation is on any working person's "team" is completely ludicrous, and the sooner we put it to bed the sooner we can start to have meaningful political discussions and compromises as a country. If someone thinks that the best way to increase our economic growth as a country is through a limited tax structure? Great - let's talk about the pros and cons of that. If someone thinks think that there's a liberal sponsored sex cult taking place in the basements of pizzerias and the reason that they haven't gotten a raise in 5 years is because there aren't enough Mexican kids in cages at the border, we can't even pretend we're functionally the same species. The mental gymnastics you make are impressive, I’ll give you that. It’s overtly obvious the liberal bias to the media at large. This is not controversial at all.
BullBuchanan Posted November 19, 2020 Author Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said: The mental gymnastics you make are impressive, I’ll give you that. It’s overtly obvious the liberal bias to the media at large. This is not controversial at all.
Doc Brown Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/17/2020 at 7:24 PM, SoCal Deek said: Tibs....where are you going with this? The FOX comment is proof that it isn't just about money and eyeballs on screens. They filled a void in right leaning television. That void was created by the usual Media outlets leaning hard left. I was about to say that Fox wouldn’t be the force it is without a left leaning media. It’ll be interesting to see if Trump creates a competing network.
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 There are several basic premises of this thread is that are hilariously ignorant: 1) good businesses do not make mistakes, as can be proven by the Edsall, the Apple Newton, and Kodak dominating the camera digital camera industry 2) that the people in media feel that their first job is to be honest and factual, not to tell a story 3) that getting clicks on a story is not more important than facts 4) that 90% of the MSM is not extremely liberal and therefore no one is there to check their bias. 1
SoCal Deek Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) What I find to be hilarious is that the OP has to tie himself in mental knots to justify a narrative that NOBODY buys anymore. Why? The veil has been torn and the media themselves don’t work all that hard to deny it. Does the OP think we need state sponsored media to run interference for these ‘party first’ policies? The policies can’t stand the scrutiny of an informed electorate? To quote his candidate: Come On Man. Edited November 19, 2020 by SoCal Deek 1
oldmanfan Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 A free press is the bastion of democracy. Without it you fall into totalitarianism. That said, it is laughable how so many towards the right always want to lean on media outlets like CNN. As if Fox and now OAN and Newsmax are somehow the guardians of honest, non-biased reporting. The issue is not whether the press tells the truth or not, the issue is that the reader has already made up his or her mind about what they want to believe and refuse to let actual data sway their view. And that goes for either extreme of the political spectrum. 2
T master Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) So all this time i have been fed a line by the conservatives and those news companies such as CNN , MSNBC , Fox there narrative is all a fantasy and that there liberal agenda's don't truly exist and we have been being lied to by a politician and that by the gov't wanting to control (that's not politically correct) i'm sorry want to give us all "free" health care and tell us how we should live because all politicians are smarter than us not to mention that they think i don't have the facility to take care of my self and make competent decisions for me is all true ?? After 59 years it all comes into focus and i now know that the media is just not bias in any way shape or form and tells the news exactly as it is face value with no personal opinions or views integrated into their commentary 🤔 well it may take a while but okay i'll try to see it for what you have pointed out thanks ... OMG it's not all true it's just a myth ?? Edited November 19, 2020 by T master
Tiberius Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 53 minutes ago, T master said: So all this time i have been fed a line by the conservatives and those news companies such as CNN , MSNBC , Fox there narrative is all a fantasy and that there liberal agenda's don't truly exist and we have been being lied to by a politician and that by the gov't wanting to control (that's not politically correct) i'm sorry want to give us all "free" health care and tell us how we should live because all politicians are smarter than us not to mention that they think i don't have the facility to take care of my self and make competent decisions for me is all true ?? After 59 years it all comes into focus and i now know that the media is just not bias in any way shape or form and tells the news exactly as it is face value with no personal opinions or views integrated into their commentary 🤔 well it may take a while but okay i'll try to see it for what you have pointed out thanks ... OMG it's not all true it's just a myth ?? Do you believe anything the NY Times says?
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: There are several basic premises of this thread is that are hilariously ignorant: 1) good businesses do not make mistakes, as can be proven by the Edsall, the Apple Newton, and Kodak dominating the camera digital camera industry. Look at the composition of the DOW or the S&P 500 over time and you will find "good" businesses disappear because of some strategic blunder, obsolescence of their product, a failure to adapt, or competition that takes market share. 2) that the people in media feel that their first job is to be honest and factual, not to tell a story. Using the Hunter Biden PC files for example. A cursory check of the lead stories and home pages of major media outlets both print and online will reveal that outlets identified as "liberal" reveals the story was treated as if it did not exist. Social media sites like Facebook and Twitter labeled user posts about the story "misinformation" and suspended accounts even though the authenticity of the PC files was never contested and facts prove the files, such as people that sent and received the e-mails confirming they are real and copies are on their personal devices, and e-mails are genuine. Along with this the liberal media helped create and spread an elaborate and crackpot conspiracy theory about Russian generated mis-information. Twitter and Facebook don't suspend the accounts of terrorists that post about all the people they want to kill. 3) that getting clicks on a story is not more important than facts Nothing to say about this. 4) that 90% of the MSM is not extremely liberal and therefore no one is there to check their bias. This is so obvious that anyone disputing this needs to confront the fact that they are lying to themselves. Just look at the softball questions the press asked Biden vs. Trump. What's your favorite color Joe? Hey Don, how does it feel to kill all those COVID patients? See bold
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Do you believe anything the NY Times says? Do you believe anything Trump says? 5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: See bold If it was not clear I was pointing out that the OP is ignorant of those 4 things. You supported me well, but not sure if you thought I was arguing opposite
BullBuchanan Posted November 19, 2020 Author Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/17/2020 at 6:24 PM, SoCal Deek said: Tibs....where are you going with this? The FOX comment is proof that it isn't just about money and eyeballs on screens. They filled a void in right leaning television. That void was created by the usual Media outlets leaning hard left. You should have read my post. It addressed this - in the first paragraph.
Tiberius Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Do you believe anything Trump says? If it was not clear I was pointing out that the OP is ignorant of those 4 things. You supported me well, but not sure if you thought I was arguing opposite The NYTimes has credibility, imo, Trump has none.
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The NYTimes has credibility, imo, Trump has none. So you have decided you have received enough bad information from Trump that whatever he says not worth even checking. I feel the same way about the NYT, facts are not as important to them as narrative.
Tiberius Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So you have decided you have received enough bad information from Trump that whatever he says not worth even checking. I feel the same way about the NYT, facts are not as important to them as narrative. What lies has the Times reported?
JaCrispy Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 It’s not so much a liberal bias as much as it is a Military Industrial Complex bias...whatever stories the mainstream media seems to be pushing is the narrative that the CIA is feeding them...and it doesn’t necessarily have to be liberal... For example, the media pushed the Iraq invasion under Bush, just like they pushed the Russia collusion story under Trump...essentially they advocate for the bottom line of the MIC... 2 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Do you believe anything Trump says? If it was not clear I was pointing out that the OP is ignorant of those 4 things. You supported me well, but not sure if you thought I was arguing opposite I was clear on your intent. But I just wanted to provide some specific examples. The liberals have a penchant for demanding "evidence" while providing none to support their claims. Like the Russian collusion hoax. No convictions, no trials, no indictments, no evidence, only unconfirmed suspicion but they "know" its true because CNN and MSNBC, the NY Times, and the Washington Post and their "anonymous sources said so. I wish the girls I knew in high school were as gullible as the lefties. I would have had a much better time! Regards..
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: What lies has the Times reported? 1619 project, russian collusion, are the big two recently. I will provide a link to CNN discussing the "mistakes" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-york-times-is-having-a-rough-year-cnn-anchors-lament-recent-mistakes%3f_amp=true And one of their debunked Russian story https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/18/new-document-shows-fbi-totally-debunked-new-york-t/
BullBuchanan Posted November 20, 2020 Author Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So you have decided you have received enough bad information from Trump that whatever he says not worth even checking. I feel the same way about the NYT, facts are not as important to them as narrative. Maybe the fact that he's lied over 20,000 times while in office has something to do with it? He's likely the most documented dishonest person who has ever lived.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/13/donald-trump-20000-false-or-misleading-claims Can you make an evidence based claim that NYT has done the same? Edited November 20, 2020 by BullBuchanan 2
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 20, 2020 Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Maybe the fact that he's lied over 20,000 times while in office has something to do with it? He's likely the most documented dishonest person who has ever lived.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/13/donald-trump-20000-false-or-misleading-claims Can you make an evidence based claim that NYT has done the same? I can't do the research right now but since the NYT printed literally thousands of stories about the Russian collusion and probably another thousand that were 100% wrong about spying on Trump, not to mention the 1619 project until they admitted it was a narrative not history I am quite certain I could come up with 20k worth of dishonesty if I tried. I will finally state on multiple of Trump's lies are simply disagreement of opinion. The greatest economy ever is an opinion, the best testing record is opinion, and least racist person is opinion. But the "best testing record" is of interest to me Bill- which country has a better testing record than us? Only two countries have test more people per capita and both of them are much smaller. So please understand when I don't care what your opinion is because it clearly is formed from ignorance. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/ 1 1
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