Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 16, 2020 Author Posted November 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Addison did the same thing on Murray’s TD run. Went for the fake and flailed taking himself out of the play. After 10 games who wouldn’t trade Shaq Lawson for Addison right now? People who've been following Shaq's play in Miami this season. Was that a trick question? Addison has not been a game-changer but he's played OK. I don't know how he's being coached, but certainly a factor for him has been going for the kill shot instead of doing his 1/11.
Back2Buff Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 Took a timeout, Murray likes to run to the left, Hopkins lined up by himself to the left, yet we allow him to go to left. Coaching matter people, ours isn't good enough. Should have never let him go left. 1
HOUSE Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 I paid at the wall, Jerry Sullivan's head popped up on my screen and called me a sucker This is a horrible Monday 1
The Jokeman Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: Addison did the same thing on Murray’s TD run. Went for the fake and flailed taking himself out of the play. After 10 games who wouldn’t trade Shaq Lawson for Addison right now? Shaq's playing time in Miami is dwindling aka he's not a full time starter as he's gone from 94% of their defensive snaps in the 1st week to 41% in their Week 9 game, Week 10 stats aren't up yet. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LawsSh00.htm 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Shaq has literally half as many sacks and TFL's as Addison to this point............he hasn't been good at all......think 2016-2018 Shaq....... and they have him on the books for $10.5M guaranteed next year. And if you think he was going to be a difference maker against Murray in the open field you are nuts. Addison has been somewhat disappointing but he's been able to fill in some at the Lorax position as well as DE........he had good plays against Mahomes as a spy and has 3 passes defensed thus far this season too. Much more versatile player. They gotta' get better than Addison and Shaq at DE........hopefully Johnson and Epenesa become those guys..........but Addison is just a rental and not one of their bigger issues on defense. If Johnson was better he'd be getting more snaps, Espenesa getting hurt didn't help his cause yesterday.
SCBills Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 I think Beane takes too much heat for the offseason moves.. He didn't resign Shaq/Phillips because they were getting long term deals and he didn't want to get locked into that. Due to this, we ended up with guys on shorter deals that we can cut bait with after one year if it doesn't work out. I fully expect us to shake up the DL and let Milano walk this offseason. If i'm proven wrong and we lose Williams or Feliciano because we want to keep $$$ tied up in DL guys on an average defense, I may start changing my tune.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think Joe's assessment is pretty fair in this one: https://theathletic.com/2200307/2020/11/16/bills-cardinals-josh-allen/?source=emp_shared_article (paywall, trial available) It all began with the pass rush. The Bills got Murray on the run and likely intended to keep him in front of them and on his back foot. As we saw during the game and over the course of the season, when Murray finds room to operate when rolling to his left, he can make a defense pay. The Bills’ edge rusher on the play was defensive end Mario Addison, who’d forced Murray to run horizontally throughout the game without much success. Addison worked past his blocker as Murray began to roll toward him and, at one point, was within 2 yards of Murray without a blocker between them. At that moment, Addison had a choice: He could play it safe and move side to side to try to disrupt Murray or he could go for it all and try to end the game with a sack. Even though the Bills focused on staying square all week, Addison lunged at Murray and missed. That gave Murray space to throw and he bought more time by rolling as far left as he could. Had Addison played it safe and held Murray up until reinforcements arrived, Addison likely would have forced Murray into an uneven throw as time expired. He made the wrong choice and left it up to the secondary to make the play. Once the ball was in the air, the outcome still was in the Bills’ favor. The defense was in quarters coverage, and by the time Hopkins went to pull in the reception, he was engulfed by three Bills’ defenders. The defensive backs were in perfect position, and likely nine times out of ten, that ball hits the ground. Why didn’t the defenders try to knock the ball down? White was a little underneath in coverage, and if he went barreling into Hopkins’s chest first, he ran the risk of getting flagged for defensive pass interference. So, White tried to box out Hopkins and use both hands to try to bat down the pass. The problem was not the technique itself; it was that Hopkins timed the jump better than anyone else, had the best leaping ability of the four players and had strong enough hands to complete the catch. While some might criticize those defensive backs for not knocking down the pass, I’m chalking it up as an unbelievable play by one of the best receivers in the league. Sometimes it is that simple. The pass and the jump had to be perfect to beat that tight coverage, and they were. To me, the player most at fault was Addison, who went for the big play rather than the smart play well before the throw. If he didn’t do that, I firmly believe the Bills would be 8-2 at this moment. I think it's probably a fair point that if White goes up one handed and gets higher, he might knock it away - but it's also a fair point that it's easier for a top WR to overcome one hand to make a catch if the knock-away isn't perfect. This is a good take. Re his defense of the DB's, I have been thinking about it more and tend to agree. I know I have been in the position in basketball a lot where I am boxing out a guy for a rebound, have perfect position, and jump up, and the much more athletic and taller guy gets the ball (with ease)-- and there is nothing I can do. You can't tip a ball that is coming straight down and where you are 6-12 inches below the highest guy. It is impossible. 1
BuffaloBill Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 It was an unreal play by two of the most talented players in the game. It’s why we watch. The Bills blew it in the third quarter not just on the final play. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Shaq's playing time in Miami is dwindling aka he's not a full time starter as he's gone from 94% of their defensive snaps in the 1st week to 41% in their Week 9 game, Week 10 stats aren't up yet. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LawsSh00.htm If Johnson was better he'd be getting more snaps, Espenesa getting hurt didn't help his cause yesterday. Shaq had a history of being somewhat less than focused on reaching his potential...........that's why they didn't trust him enough to pick up his 5th year option after 3 years of flat production. The early returns in Miami aren't good. Johnson and Epenesa are works in progress. Johnson is buying time for himself by being very impactful on special teams. Epenesa shows flashes but his experience in Iowa was similar........he came in as a rare 5 star recruit.........then seemed to struggle to adapt to the college game........until the switch went on and then he was a beast. The hope here is that Epenesa gets stronger and smarter and develops better technique..........but the one thing about him versus Shaq is you probably don't have to worry about seeing him in the Buffalo airport on Sunday evening after a game with bags of popeye's chicken as he goes to play Wooderson on his "off" day at his old college campus. The feeling is that Epenesa is going to work for it...........if he doesn't get there it won't be as obviously why Shaq hasn't.
ngbills Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 Fluke play and 9 out of 10 times wont happen. But yes, Addison and White both had plays to be made. Addison goes for sack and takes bad angle letting Murray get off a better pass. Then white Jumps with both arms up trying to catch the ball; he jumps with one he gets higher and knocks it down.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: Took a timeout, Murray likes to run to the left, Hopkins lined up by himself to the left, yet we allow him to go to left. Coaching matter people, ours isn't good enough. Should have never let him go left. You can't lunge for him. That was probably coached and drilled down all week. Disciplined rush lanes, rush depth. Just stay in front of him and others will follow. If he just takes the angle there murray's eyes aren't down field, he's probably throwing it away to guarantee the hail mary.
Jauronimo Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: Took a timeout, Murray likes to run to the left, Hopkins lined up by himself to the left, yet we allow him to go to left. Coaching matter people, ours isn't good enough. Should have never let him go left. In your expert opinion, what is the don't go left defense?
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, Jauronimo said: In your expert opinion, what is the don't go left defense? I'd probably have edmunds spy murray. Especially in a situation where the vacated area would be the middle of the field when they have no timeouts.
starrymessenger Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 Good analysis. Like Dungy I wondered if we should have jammed Hop at the line. I actually also wondered whether it made sense to bring pressure, though thats not usually whats called for in that situation. Kudos to Hop. Great players make great plays. Nuff said.
NoSaint Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think Joe's assessment is pretty fair in this one: https://theathletic.com/2200307/2020/11/16/bills-cardinals-josh-allen/?source=emp_shared_article (paywall, trial available) It all began with the pass rush. The Bills got Murray on the run and likely intended to keep him in front of them and on his back foot. As we saw during the game and over the course of the season, when Murray finds room to operate when rolling to his left, he can make a defense pay. The Bills’ edge rusher on the play was defensive end Mario Addison, who’d forced Murray to run horizontally throughout the game without much success. Addison worked past his blocker as Murray began to roll toward him and, at one point, was within 2 yards of Murray without a blocker between them. At that moment, Addison had a choice: He could play it safe and move side to side to try to disrupt Murray or he could go for it all and try to end the game with a sack. Even though the Bills focused on staying square all week, Addison lunged at Murray and missed. That gave Murray space to throw and he bought more time by rolling as far left as he could. Had Addison played it safe and held Murray up until reinforcements arrived, Addison likely would have forced Murray into an uneven throw as time expired. He made the wrong choice and left it up to the secondary to make the play. Once the ball was in the air, the outcome still was in the Bills’ favor. The defense was in quarters coverage, and by the time Hopkins went to pull in the reception, he was engulfed by three Bills’ defenders. The defensive backs were in perfect position, and likely nine times out of ten, that ball hits the ground. Why didn’t the defenders try to knock the ball down? White was a little underneath in coverage, and if he went barreling into Hopkins’s chest first, he ran the risk of getting flagged for defensive pass interference. So, White tried to box out Hopkins and use both hands to try to bat down the pass. The problem was not the technique itself; it was that Hopkins timed the jump better than anyone else, had the best leaping ability of the four players and had strong enough hands to complete the catch. While some might criticize those defensive backs for not knocking down the pass, I’m chalking it up as an unbelievable play by one of the best receivers in the league. Sometimes it is that simple. The pass and the jump had to be perfect to beat that tight coverage, and they were. To me, the player most at fault was Addison, who went for the big play rather than the smart play well before the throw. If he didn’t do that, I firmly believe the Bills would be 8-2 at this moment. I think it's probably a fair point that if White goes up one handed and gets higher, he might knock it away - but it's also a fair point that it's easier for a top WR to overcome one hand to make a catch if the knock-away isn't perfect. you one hand the tip and it gives your safeties extra leeway on hitting the receiver.a redirected ball going to a redirected wr isn’t getting caught there 51 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: This is a good take. Re his defense of the DB's, I have been thinking about it more and tend to agree. I know I have been in the position in basketball a lot where I am boxing out a guy for a rebound, have perfect position, and jump up, and the much more athletic and taller guy gets the ball (with ease)-- and there is nothing I can do. You can't tip a ball that is coming straight down and where you are 6-12 inches below the highest guy. It is impossible. but he’s not a foot below. he’s 2 inches shorter, 1 inch shorter arms and 3-4 on the vertical. So max 6. if he rises up with one arm theoretically less than that even. 10 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: In your expert opinion, what is the don't go left defense? Blitz on that side?
Back2Buff Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: In your expert opinion, what is the don't go left defense? Send Neal from the defenses right side. He is big enough and fast enough to push Murray the other way. Go back and look at Neal on the play. Literally in no mans land protecting the area we actually wanted a WR to go to. A WR catches the ball at the 15 yard line, the game is over. That last play was coached really poorly.
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