ROCKPILE REVIEW - Oh, Well

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Gunner -

 

I don't get this.   What major mistakes?

 

There's a difference between major mistakes, and ordinary mistakes that have large consequences.  Penalties are ordinary mistakes, but every once in a while a penalty is a game changer.  

 

I thought the the Bills played pretty well, but made some mistakes.  Same could be said about Arizona.  The two Allen INTs and the fumble probably are major mistakes, but even those are routine events in a football game.  

 

The Bills did have one horrible string of penalties, but I don't think that's a major mistake - that's just a lot of penalties coming together.   You want the team to play tentatively after they've gotten two penalties in a row.  

 

I don't think the Bills lost because of mistakes.  They lost because they can't run the ball and they can't stop the run.  Those aren't mistakes - that's poor coaching, poor talent, or a combination of both.  That's coaches and players presumably doing their best, but their best isn't enough to get the job done.  

 

What are the major mistakes you're thinking of?

 

Major mistakes were the two INTs, the 12 yard punt and the play to end the game. They made lots of minor mistakes too. Penalties, protection breakdowns, missed tackles. 

 

The Bills lost because they made too many mistakes to beat a good team on the road. They couldn't run or stop the run last week either. But they avoided the big mistakes. 

[Figster]

32 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Gunner -

 

I don't get this.   What major mistakes?

 

There's a difference between major mistakes, and ordinary mistakes that have large consequences.  Penalties are ordinary mistakes, but every once in a while a penalty is a game changer.  

 

I thought the the Bills played pretty well, but made some mistakes.  Same could be said about Arizona.  The two Allen INTs and the fumble probably are major mistakes, but even those are routine events in a football game.  

 

The Bills did have one horrible string of penalties, but I don't think that's a major mistake - that's just a lot of penalties coming together.   You want the team to play tentatively after they've gotten two penalties in a row.  

 

I don't think the Bills lost because of mistakes.  They lost because they can't run the ball and they can't stop the run.  Those aren't mistakes - that's poor coaching, poor talent, or a combination of both.  That's coaches and players presumably doing their best, but their best isn't enough to get the job done.  

 

What are the major mistakes you're thinking of?

Buffalo scored 30 points and lost the game not being able to knock down the football on a hail mary. Some of Buffalo's best talent right where they needed to be on the play. The Bills D came at Murray in waves. He's not an easy player to defend. The Cardinals have the top ranked O in the league. This could be a preview to the next Superbowl matchup.

 

The game plans worked in my humble opinion OP.

 

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by Figster

[Shaw66]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Major mistakes were the two INTs, the 12 yard punt and the play to end the game. They made lots of minor mistakes too. Penalties, protection breakdowns, missed tackles. 

 

The Bills lost because they made too many mistakes to beat a good team on the road. They couldn't run or stop the run last week either. But they avoided the big mistakes. 

 

Okay.  The punt, for sure.  The INTs happen in any game.   I guess I agree that they're major mistakes, but if they're major mistakes, the Cards had two turnovers, too, so major mistakes in the takeaway category were even.   I don't count those as things that changed the game. 

 

There was no major mistake on the final play.  The pass rush was good, could have contained Murray better, but it forced him into a difficult throw.   He made a great throw under pressure.   The DBs did what they were supposed to do - White was with his man and the safeties closed beautifully on one of the most dangerous receivers in the game.   He made the play, the Bills didn't, but those aren't mistakes.  Michael Jordan missed 26 game-winning shots.  Those aren't mistakes, either.  

 

 

[Buftex]

The loss stings, but I would rather lose a game on the final play due to a great play made by a great player, than a colossal f-up by one of our own.  We have been on the side of that a few too many times. 

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

 

Okay.  The punt, for sure.  The INTs happen in any game.   I guess I agree that they're major mistakes, but if they're major mistakes, the Cards had two turnovers, too, so major mistakes in the takeaway category were even.   I don't count those as things that changed the game. 

 

There was no major mistake on the final play.  The pass rush was good, could have contained Murray better, but it forced him into a difficult throw.   He made a great throw under pressure.   The DBs did what they were supposed to do - White was with his man and the safeties closed beautifully on one of the most dangerous receivers in the game.   He made the play, the Bills didn't, but those aren't mistakes.  Michael Jordan missed 26 game-winning shots.  Those aren't mistakes, either.  

 

 

 

Yea when good team plays good team normally the one that makes fewest major mistakes wins. That happened yesterday. 

[Comebackkid]

44 minutes ago, Buftex said:

The loss stings, but I would rather lose a game on the final play due to a great play made by a great player, than a colossal f-up by one of our own.  We have been on the side of that a few too many times. 

Well it was kind of a colossal screw up by Addison to leap and fall on his face rather than just chase after Murry

[Billsfan1972]

Whether major or not is nitpicking.  The offsetting penalties (on a fee play) that gained 21 yards was major (int the next play).

 

The John Brown first down 24 yard reception too negated by a tickytack hold away from the play too I'd call major.  Cost the Bills 45 yards and first downs.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Billsfan1972

[Buddo]

I pretty much agree with the assessment Shaw.

 

Allen was 'off' for good portions of the game. He started pretty decently, then the Cards started to get more pressure, and he then became less accurate, both with reads and throws, or should I say more hesitant in his reads.

 

Much like against the 'Hawks the D was another 'curate's egg'. They did a lot right to keep everyone interested, but enough wrong to let the Cards be in the game. Biting on Murray's 'sell' for his TD runs is always possible, as he does a great job of disguise, but doing it twice, in effect, was poor.  While they may have largely 'contained' Murray's own rushing, they didn't for the Cards other RBs. It's still an issue.

 

Two last quarter TD drives from both teams, and the one that was far better was the Bills. The pass and catch to Diggs, was exactly the sort of quality play you want your QB and #1 WR to make, and it's a sign that you have a good pair, when they do.

 

The Cards were ushered to around the Bills 40 yard line, and then Murray heaves up a prayer, which Hopkins answers in some style. I'm sure Murray is getting a lot of plaudits for it, and yet the man of that play, was Hopkins. Any QB in the league could have thrown the football in the air that far, and in that fashion. The only kudos Murray deserves, is in creating himself time to chuck it up there.

 

That isn't trying to belittle Murray as a QB as such, it's just an observation off of those two last quarter drives. Murray looks like a keeper, and is exciting to watch, yet is also still developing.

 

My last 'observation', if you will, is in regards of the Bills 'prevent' D on the last drive. While I think there's a time and place for it, I didn't think it's there and then. Im not entirely worried that they went 'prevent', but I didn't like that they made it so darned obvious. There was nothing stopping them showing 'pressure', but then dropping into coverage as the ball was snapped. We just said 'we are in prevent', and that was the end of it.

 

Having said that, the sequence of plays, probably went largely as Frazier and McDermott would have hoped/expected, at least until Hopkins grabbed the Hail Mary.

 

In the heat of the moment, I think Poyer actually knocked White away from just possibly breaking it up. Oh Well.

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Shaw....news flash...Edmunds stinks! If he isn’t hurt he has to go. I’ve never seen an NFL MLB get tossed aside, fly through the air, and land right on his rump, wondering what hit him, but I saw it yesterday. 

[Figster]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Shaw....news flash...Edmunds stinks! If he isn’t hurt he has to go. I’ve never seen an NFL MLB get tossed aside, fly through the air, and land right on his rump, wondering what hit him, but I saw it yesterday. 

Getting blocked while in hot pursuit is going to happen. Getting knocked on your rump is going to happen. Players get up off the ground after every play. Edmunds QB's the D.  Overall I thought the D played well vs Kyler Murray and the top ranked O in the league. 

[Shaw66]

58 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Shaw....news flash...Edmunds stinks! If he isn’t hurt he has to go. I’ve never seen an NFL MLB get tossed aside, fly through the air, and land right on his rump, wondering what hit him, but I saw it yesterday. 

I don't think he stinks.  

 

A little less so this season, but last season he's was fabulous in the pass defense.   Covers so much ground.   You could see QBs staying away from the middle of the field, because he was always a threat to be in the passing lane.   So there's that.  

 

Against the run he's been okay to horrible.  I think he's still learning to stay off of blocks.  I think he needs to wait longer before he closes, but I'm not expert.  He's begun to tackle with more authority.  And I think maybe more than anyone else, he's the guy who needs Star in the middle.   Star occupies a lineman or two every play.  Without Star, guards or a center always seem to be roaming free, looking for Tremaine.  

 

He was in on a lot of tackles yesterday, and he was a big part of containing Murray.