Bills' O-Line depth is remarkable

[Inigo Montoya]

It was incredible to watch the Bills' O-Line continue to play at a high level when three starters went down today with injuries.  All of our backup linemen would walk into starting roles on other teams. Morse went down last week and Feliciano stepped in seamlessly to man the pivot.   At various points in the game today Ford, Winters, and Williams all left the game and in came Bates, Nsekhe, and Boettger and the O-Line never missed a beat.  In the last two weeks we have replaced everyone on the O-Line except Dawkins and there was no noticeable dip in performance.  How many teams in the NFL could replace four starting offensive lineman without getting smoked? The Bills went from having arguably the worst O-Line in football two seasons ago to having the deepest line in the League.  Kudos to the brain trust at OBD for turning a glaring weakness into a team strength.  

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by Inigo Montoya

[billsfanmiamioh]

It reminded me of what the patriots have been able to do. 

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It was incredible to watch the Bills' O-Line continue to play at a high level when three starters went down today with injuries.  All of our backup linemen would walk into starting roles on other teams. Morse went down last week and Feliciano stepped in seamlessly to man the pivot.   At various points in the game today Ford, Winters, and Williams all left the game and in came Bates, Nsekhe, and Boettger and the O-Line never missed a beat.  In the last two weeks we have replaced everyone on the O-Line except Dawkins and there was no noticeable dip in performance.  How many teams in the NFL could replace four starting offensive lineman without getting smoked? The Bills went from having arguably the worst O-Line in football two seasons ago to having the deepest line in the League.  Kudos to the brain trust at OBD for turning a glaring weakness into a team strength.  

 

I think we have really good depth, but that statement is definitely not true

 

Allen masks a lot of the deficiencies honestly

 

Nsekhe would have the best chance at starting on other teams probably, and he couldn't even start really at Washington

 

We have a lot of guys who can play in our system

Edited November 9, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Inigo Montoya]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think we have really good depth, but that statement is definitely not true

 

Allen masks a lot of the deficiencies honestly

 

Nsekhe would have the best chance at starting on other teams probably, and he couldn't even start really at Washington

 

We have a lot of guys who can play in our system

 

Hey 716  

 

I agree with you that Allen is incredibly slippery back there and a bull to bring down when they finally do get to him, but I'd respectfully disagree with the rest of your position.  

 

Carson Wentz has been sacked 32 times this year.  Joe Burrow has been sacked 28 times. Daniel Jones 23, Watson and Minshew 22 each.  Sacks are just one metric of O-Line play, and Josh took a boatload today, but I think today's sack total has to be put into context.

 

The Seahawks were bringing 6 or 7 defenders every down.  Jamal Adams basically spent the entire second half of the game lined up as a third DE and all he did was rush the QB.  The Bills didn't even pretend that they were going to run the football.  The O-Line played great today despite the sacks given up and with four out of the five lineman either playing out of position or as backups.  Allen threw the ball 38 times today, and not counting Allen scrambles, we only ran the ball 11 times all game.  I think the only designed run for Allen was the sweep around the right end for the TD.

 

I don't think that Bates, Nsekhe, and Boettger would have any difficulty finding a starting gig on one of the other 31 teams in the League.  Quality O-Linemen are always at a premium, especially in week 9 of a season.  

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by Inigo Montoya

[Buffalo716]

22 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Hey 716  

 

I agree with you that Allen is incredibly slippery back there and a bull to bring down when they finally do get to him, but I'd respectfully disagree with the rest of you position.  

 

Carson Wentz has been sacked 32 times this year.  Joe Burrow has been sacked 28 times. Daniel Jones 23, Watson and Minshew 22 each.  Sacks are just one metric of O-Line, play and Josh took a boatload today, but I think today's sack total has to be put into context.

 

The Seahawks were bringing 6 or 7 defenders every down.  Jamal Adams basically spent the entire second half of the game lined up as a third DE and all he did was rush the QB.  The Bills didn't even pretend that they are going to run the football.  The O-Line played great today despite the sacks given up and with four out of the five lineman either playing out of position or as backups.  Allen threw the ball 38 times today, and not counting Allen scrambles, we only ran the ball 11 times all game.  I think the only designed run for Allen was the sweep around the right end for the TD.

 

I don't think that Bates, Nsekhe, and Boettger would have any difficulty finding a starting gig on one of the other 31 teams in the League.  Quality O-Linemen are always at a premium, especially in week 9 of a season.  

Originally you said, all of our backups would walk into starting roles on other teams

 

That makes it sound like they could all find multiple teams where they could start at, pretty easily

 

Everybody here thought Spain was a quality lineman, and he is pretty good. And he's on a practice squad

 

Line play has as much to do with your system and the people around you as it does with your talent. Wyatt teller is playing like a man possessed, and he was just all right here

 

The right system can do wonders for your career, they're all professionals

 

I still think ty would have the best chance at starting on another team. I don't think Bates could start at center when all centers are healthy, he'd have a chance with a few teams at guard same with Ike. but then again there's 20 other backup guards in the NFL who think the same way

 

We have cohesion, which is huge

 

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Inigo Montoya]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Originally you said, all of our backups would walk into starting roles on other teams

 

That makes it sound like they could all find multiple teams where they could start at, pretty easily

 

Everybody here thought Spain was a quality lineman, and he is pretty good. And he's on a practice squad

 

Line play has as much to do with your system and the people around you as it does with your talent. Wyatt teller is playing like a man possessed, and he was just all right here

 

The right system can do wonders for your career, they're all professionals

 

I still think ty would have the best chance at starting on another team. I don't think Bates could start at center when all centers are healthy, he'd have a chance with a few teams at guard.. but then again there's 20 other backup guards in the NFL who think the same way

 

We have cohesion, which is huge

 

 

 

Agree with with you that system fit is huge, but Teller is doing great in a different system and he couldn't crack the lineup here.  I think the only reason Spain is on the practice squad is because he had to clear COVID and get a practice or two in before he plays.  I'd be willing to bet you a Ted's hotdog he starts next week. To your last point, the Bills O-Line is playing great despite a lack of cohesion. I'm not sure there have been two games in a row where the same 5 linemen have lined up in the same position all season due to the coach's tinkering and injuries.

Appreciate the civil exchange 716, unfortunately that's not always the case here.   👍

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think we have really good depth, but that statement is definitely not true

 

Allen masks a lot of the deficiencies honestly

 

Nsekhe would have the best chance at starting on other teams probably, and he couldn't even start really at Washington

 

We have a lot of guys who can play in our system

 

Ty would start on other teams, Ike and Bates probably could start on a few teams that are banged up but are more so in the high end backup range. 

 

At full strength the Bills have two starting caliber oline players on the bench in Ty and Winters and then two high end backups in Ike and Bates. It's very strong depth.

[Saxum]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Originally you said, all of our backups would walk into starting roles on other teams

 

That makes it sound like they could all find multiple teams where they could start at, pretty easily

 

Everybody here thought Spain was a quality lineman, and he is pretty good. And he's on a practice squad

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Buffalo716]

23 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Agree with with you that system fit is huge, but Teller is doing great in a different system and he couldn't crack the lineup here.  I think the only reason Spain is on the practice squad is because he had to clear COVID and get a practice or two in before he plays.  I'd be willing to bet you a Ted's hotdog he starts next week. To your last point, the Bills O-Line is playing great despite a lack of cohesion. I'm not sure there have been two games in a row where the same 5 linemen have lined up in the same position all season due to the coach's tinkering and injuries.

Appreciate the civil exchange 716, unfortunately that's not always the case here.   👍

The cohesion I'm talking about is mainly they are all on their second year practicing together, at least. Besides Williams

 

And I always try to be civil. I wouldn't be here just to be a douche

Edited November 9, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The OL depth is very solid but boy was it stretched thin. 

[JMF2006]

The kid did get sacked 7 times  

 

Although slippery little Wilson got sacked 5 times and hit 16 times.

 

Any stats on how many times Josh got hit?

 

First half the O line gets an A

 

Second half a C

[Bigantall]

6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It was incredible to watch the Bills' O-Line continue to play at a high level when three starters went down today with injuries.  All of our backup linemen would walk into starting roles on other teams. Morse went down last week and Feliciano stepped in seamlessly to man the pivot.   At various points in the game today Ford, Winters, and Williams all left the game and in came Bates, Nsekhe, and Boettger and the O-Line never missed a beat.  In the last two weeks we have replaced everyone on the O-Line except Dawkins and there was no noticeable dip in performance.  How many teams in the NFL could replace four starting offensive lineman without getting smoked? The Bills went from having arguably the worst O-Line in football two seasons ago to having the deepest line in the League.  Kudos to the brain trust at OBD for turning a glaring weakness into a team strength.  

 

You call seven sacks high level hmm

[Codyny13]

7 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It was incredible to watch the Bills' O-Line continue to play at a high level when three starters went down today with injuries.  All of our backup linemen would walk into starting roles on other teams. Morse went down last week and Feliciano stepped in seamlessly to man the pivot.   At various points in the game today Ford, Winters, and Williams all left the game and in came Bates, Nsekhe, and Boettger and the O-Line never missed a beat.  In the last two weeks we have replaced everyone on the O-Line except Dawkins and there was no noticeable dip in performance.  How many teams in the NFL could replace four starting offensive lineman without getting smoked? The Bills went from having arguably the worst O-Line in football two seasons ago to having the deepest line in the League.  Kudos to the brain trust at OBD for turning a glaring weakness into a team strength.  

 

So not firing Beane this week?

[BillsFanThru-N-Thru]

14 minutes ago, Bigantall said:

You call seven sacks high level hmm

Not all the blitzing defenders were the responsibility of the OLine ... TEs and RBs missed blocks and assignments

 

[Inigo Montoya]

4 minutes ago, Bigantall said:

You call seven sacks high level hmm

 

You don't explode for 449 yards of offense and score 44 points with bad O-Line play. So yeah, I'd say that the O-Line played at a high level yesterday.  The game I watched showed Allen with enough time to make the throws he needed all day long.  Kinda hard to put up the stat line Allen did without solid O-Line play.  If you feel the seven sacks trumps the offense's production yesterday and is the key metric to judge the O-Line's play against Seattle, have at it, but I'd respectfully disagree. 

[Brennan Huff]

1 hour ago, JMF2006 said:

The kid did get sacked 7 times  

 

Although slippery little Wilson got sacked 5 times and hit 16 times.

 

Any stats on how many times Josh got hit?

 

First half the O line gets an A

 

Second half a C

Seattle was blitzing on almost every play

[SCBills]

I don’t know what the cap looks like this offseason, but Daryl Williams and Jon Feliciano have to be priories 1A and 1B over Matt Milano.   If we can get Milano done, great, but keeping this OL together needs to be an offseason goal.  

[PromoTheRobot]

Wasn't Allen sacked a bunch? I wouldn't brag about that performance by the depth.

Edited November 9, 2020 by PromoTheRobot

[Kwai San]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Originally you said, all of our backups would walk into starting roles on other teams

 

That makes it sound like they could all find multiple teams where they could start at, pretty easily

 

Everybody here thought Spain was a quality lineman, and he is pretty good. And he's on a practice squad

 

Line play has as much to do with your system and the people around you as it does with your talent. Wyatt teller is playing like a man possessed, and he was just all right here

 

The right system can do wonders for your career, they're all professionals

 

I still think ty would have the best chance at starting on another team. I don't think Bates could start at center when all centers are healthy, he'd have a chance with a few teams at guard same with Ike. but then again there's 20 other backup guards in the NFL who think the same way

 

We have cohesion, which is huge

 

 

 

Wyatt Teller was a guy I thought the Bills would really be able to leverage and be valuable.  Oh well.  The boys did a good job yesterday.....a few of those sacks are just on JA - he needs to dump that ball and live to play another play.

 

Go BILLS!!!

[Motorin']

I've been thinking, does the Bills O-Line seem better with Feliciano back, even with Morse out?