Daniel Jones---bust?

[Success]

Only in hot take world.  People need to realize that the Giants have a poorly constructed team right now.  Guys like Sheperd and Engram are solid, but Jones has almost no O-line and lost one of the best RB's in the league early this season.

 

Too early to call him a bust, imo.

 

[QCity]

6 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Jones now has played 20 games and has 21 INTs and 15 lost fumbles, which gives him the most turnovers(36 total) through his first 20 games for a QB since Ryan Leaf had 41...

 

Think it might be time to realize he isn't the guy they thought he was and maybe is more like the guy every other team thought he was...

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/time-giants-start-wondering-daniel-054545643.html

 

 

Is 20 games enough to judge a QB? It sure isn't in Buffalo.

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

 

Is 20 games enough to judge a QB? It sure isn't in Buffalo.

 

Maybe when he is getting worse not better and making the same glaring mistakes more frequently instead of less frequently?

Edited November 3, 2020 by matter2003

[prissythecat]

10 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

 

Is 20 games enough to judge a QB? It sure isn't in Buffalo.

 

Yes it is.  Didn't we put EJ on the bench permanently before he hit twenty games.  The Peterman experiment also ended just after a few games.

[ProcessYaDigg]

6 hours ago, Greg S said:

If Trevor Lawrence ends up on the Giants than that would be fantastic. I would feel so bad for our "friends" in green.

With as brutal of a schedule our division has, I just don't see the Jets winning a single game this year.

[billsbackto81]

28 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Every time I see anything about Daniel Jones I think of this compilation clip.

 

 

Still one of the funniest reaction videos I've ever watched on YouTube. I watch every time I need a hearty laugh out loud. 

[starrymessenger]

Dude has the makings of a top tier passer IMO and he's legit as a dual threat (at least you have to account for him running). He just needs a new brain. I hope he gets one for his sake. 

[par73]

I think he could be good with better players around him. Needs to clean up the turnover problem to be a quality starter.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

His problem is he doesn't have an elite skill or talent. If he was turning the ball over a ton but had elite athleticism, or elite arm strength or elite size then he could be worth giving some extra time to develop. But he's fairly ordinary which means his ceiling is fairly low. 

 

 

[Malazan]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

He is good right until you need him to be. And then he isn't. 

 

The Giants should clean house - starting with Dave Gettleman - maybe hold onto Judge (he has got them playing hard they are just bad) but start again at QB.

 

That's a bad situation unless you're going to let your coach have a say in the GM. Otherwise, you just end up with a GM who didn't hire the coach and that tends to be a tough situation to be successful in.. I'm not necessarily against the coach > GM model, but you have to go that route or drop the coach and let the GM hire the coach. 

[aristocrat]

he's like fitzy in the fact that he throws picks at the worst possible times. 

[Chuck Wagon]

I think Patrick Mahomes is on a trajectory we've never seen before and it makes it really hard to reasonably judge young QBs after he broke the curve. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Chuck Wagon

[JetsFan20]

1 hour ago, Success said:

Only in hot take world.  People need to realize that the Giants have a poorly constructed team right now.  Guys like Sheperd and Engram are solid, but Jones has almost no O-line and lost one of the best RB's in the league early this season.

 

Too early to call him a bust, imo.

 

The Giants have weapons. Shepard, Slayton, Tate, Engram.
 

How would he look on the Jets throwing to Jeff Smith and Braxton Berrios?

[Albany,n.y.]

7 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

And Gettleman could have taken his future QB the year before and been all set....instead he went RB.

If he had taken a QB, he probably would have picked Rosen & cut him already. 

3 hours ago, BillsToast said:

 

Allen looked brutal in year 2. 

Are you blind or a stat boy who doesn't watch games.  Allen put the team on his back in a bunch of games last year.  

[Big Turk]

29 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

I think Patrick Mahomes is on a trajectory we've never seen before and it makes it really hard to reasonably judge young QBs after he broke the curve. 

 

Umm...what about Burrow...Herbert...Jackson...Allen to some degree...

 

The NFL is designed for young QB's to come in and succeed right away now more than ever.

[JetsFan20]

12 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Umm...what about Burrow...Herbert...Jackson...Allen to some degree...

 

The NFL is designed for young QB's to come in and succeed right away now more than ever.

How do you explain Wentz?

[mjt328]

I usually prefer to give a QB at least 3-4 seasons before moving on.

However, if they have Trevor Lawrence staring them in the face... they absolutely must pull the trigger.

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

How do you explain Wentz?

 

He was doing great starting out in his rookie year and then tailed off towards the end...came back in year 2 and was looking like an MVP candidate then got hurt and hasn't quite been the same since.  He has regressed badly this year. Some think losing Frank Reich as OC and QB whisperer was an issue because he hasn't been the same since he left.

 

But let's take a closer look...from 2017-2019, he threw 81 TD's to 21 INT's in 40 games with QB Ratings of 101.9, 102.2 and 93.1 for the 3 years.  Let's not pretend he sucked the way he has this year all that time.

 

So my question back to you is What about Wentz?

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by matter2003

[TBBills Fan]

Bust in Canton?  hahahaha j/k

[frostbitmic]

He reminds me of Darnold, he can have stretches during the game that make it looks like he has turned a corner, then he throws an INT or loses a fumble.