Are our WRs not getting separation? Or is it Allen?

[ILBillsfan]

17 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

So the Pats**** prepared for a bad-weather game on defense by...playing 7 DBs and trying to take away the pass?

want me to get video that shows the Pats did not use 7 DB's or better yet just go look

 

here since you prob didn't even go look 6 DB's not 7

 

here is another still not seeing 7 DB's

let me know if you need more and more video of not running out 7 DB's as you claim

 

BTW this Cover ! group is pretty good at breaking down Allen's play if you think it is on him

Edited November 2, 2020 by ILBillsfan

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Allen has regressed lately.

 

How do you not throw for a single TD ?

 

It may be Fromm time

[Nitro]

Several issues.  Defenses have caught up to the Bills.  Brown was injured.  Running game was not there.  Offensive line woes.  Through it all they manage to win.  Change up the routes, run with authority and trust the line to stand up to pressure.  Allen and crew will be tested in the second half and I think Dabol will put the offense in position to succeed.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Allen has had one bad game, if you think about it— the KC game. Tennessee game just got away from the entire team; and he threw 1 bad pick— but overall, he moved us up and down. We moved up and down against the jets, just stalled out in the red zone (where Allen has otherwise been stellar all year). I thought he played well against the Pats when Daboll figured out all we had to do was run left the entire game. 

I think if the receivers made the plays and catches they made earlier in the year, Josh would look a lot better and it would make us more explosive. Can’t have a ball bounce off of Roberts’ hands for a pick, off of Brown’s facemask for a missed conversion, Off Of Davis’s hands for the GW TD, through Diggs’s hands on a bomb to the end zone. 

 

[Billsfan1972]

Blah blah blah blah blah......  Seems other teams are able to adapt and Wilson, Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes...... are able to still put up #'s as pass heavy teams.

 

It is coaching still that I question.

 

18 passes vs. NE.....  Not enough and will frustrate players after a while.

 

Just like second half adjustments that seem to stymie the Bills.....

[DuckyBoys]

He should put up numbers this Sunday  Seahawks score and their defense blows.  Were 6-2 finaly beat the Pats and were micro analyzing the qb again

[Rubes]

43 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said:

want me to get video that shows the Pats did not use 7 DB's or better yet just go look

 

here since you prob didn't even go look 6 DB's not 7

 

here is another still not seeing 7 DB's

let me know if you need more and more video of not running out 7 DB's as you claim

 

BTW this Cover ! group is pretty good at breaking down Allen's play if you think it is on him

 

Thanks for posting. I really don't have time to go through and do any of that. I just remember specifically seeing 7 DBs on one play, and hearing the announcers discussing it as well. Sorry, that's all I've got.

 

 

[ganesh]

5 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

Allen seemed to use that to good effect in the Jets game, but not so much in others.

 

Is this also more of a shift in defenses from man to zone? Seems like our WRs can take advantage of that.

 

Against Jets,  Allen took the short dump passes

Against Patriots, Daboll took the option to run the ball than throw it.

 

Both were effective.  The Bills are starting to show that they can play by what the opposing defense offers and still win.

[transplantbillsfan]

53 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Blah blah blah blah blah......  Seems other teams are able to adapt and Wilson, Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes...... are able to still put up #'s as pass heavy teams.

 

It is coaching still that I question.

 

18 passes vs. NE.....  Not enough and will frustrate players after a while.

 

Just like second half adjustments that seem to stymie the Bills.....

 

18 passes was enough.

 

We won.  We're 6-2.  The objective is to win a football game, not your fantasy league.

 

Players aren't frustrated they won.

[PUNT750]

5 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

I agree, and I think everyone noticed when the Pats**** came out with 7 DBs. I was hoping we would take advantage of that and run the ball down their throats, and it was actually nice to see it happen.

 

I still just wonder if Josh is having issues trusting the WRs to make the catch. I mean, some of the throws earlier in the year were into crazy tight windows.

 

He made a nice throw to the end zone in a tight window to Davis and he dropped it!

[WideNine]

10 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

I agree, and I think everyone noticed when the Pats**** came out with 7 DBs. I was hoping we would take advantage of that and run the ball down their throats, and it was actually nice to see it happen.

 

I still just wonder if Josh is having issues trusting the WRs to make the catch. I mean, some of the throws earlier in the year were into crazy tight windows.

 

 

No,  I don't think there are trust issues. Allen has thrown plenty of tight-window passes to Beasley, Diggs, Davis, and Brown and that will not likely change, but with teams fielding a lot of DBs in layers of zone to take away the mid-to-deep options we have to play them differently. We did the same thing to KC and Mahomes and it was not like he lit up the field passing - they ran against that look from our defense, and they were successful running - and they won.

 

The passing game now is going to be Allen hitting receivers on late-release outlets/screens (TE's, and RB's) or quick slants, bubble screens, and come-back routes when there is just one DB or heavy nickle playing off of them before they are bracketed between DB's and safeties past the sticks. More time in the pocket is not really the issue, if anything, the ball has to come out sooner and decisively to hit those underneath options other than the draws/screens.

 

The goal of forcing teams to defend the run is to also force them to abandon the 2-deep zones or go with a single high safety or Cover 0 with more run support behind the line, which would then give Allen the option to use play-action to freeze that one safety over top or get his receivers singled-up deep to beat man coverage. It is a more patient offensive plan that requires Allen and Daboll to work the run till they can force teams to give them those chances and take those shots when they are there.

 

With more experience seeing those different flavors of zone or disguised zones I expect that Allen will eventually be able to exploit some of those 2 deep looks and find the open windows and deliver on time, but this was not one of those games. NE's defensive personnel leans towards solid pass rush and lock-down corners. For years their MO was to get ahead and/or load the box with guys who drop into coverage then force teams to throw into that. Why play into their strengths, especially in the midst of heavy winds and some rain?

 

The game plan Daboll laid out was darn-near perfect for the conditions, and as it ate up yards and TOP, we did not expose our defense to defending as many snaps and they could stay fresh. I know we would all like to see wide-open receivers and Allen dropping dimes all over the field, but playing smart and winning is probably worth more than Allen flexing nuts and throwing into double-coverage and turning the ball over.

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by WideNine

[Buffalo Boy]

On 11/2/2020 at 3:35 PM, Mat68 said:

McKenzie cant track the ball the way Brown or Diggs do.  Mckenzie is a decent back up in the slot and his jet sweeps.  Thats really it.  

Can’t track the ball, huh????

[Watkins101]

This thread aging well

[Rubes]

3 hours ago, Watkins101 said:

This thread aging well

 

Thats what going up against the 32nd ranked defense in the league will get you, Champ.

 

[QLBillsFan]

Doesn’t hurt. But when your wrong just admit it. JA is a top 10 Qb , no wind, smoke back. All factors. 

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, QLBillsFan said:

Doesn’t hurt. But when your wrong just admit it. JA is a top 10 Qb , no wind, smoke back. All factors. 

 

What exactly was anyone wrong about? The thread was all about asking a question.

 

 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

Thats what going up against the 32nd ranked defense in the league will get you, Champ.

 

 

Which other team passed for 400+ and scored 44+ points against Seattle?

17 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

What exactly was anyone wrong about? The thread was all about asking a question.

 

 

Nothing wrong with your thread.  I think there was a lot more to the offensive woes than your question.

[Rubes]

58 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Which other team passed for 400+ and scored 44+ points against Seattle?

 

Once again, not the point of the thread. Still, SEA was giving up an *average* of 356 passing per game this year. Good to see these guys can take advantage of that.