Beane's construction of this roster

[TN Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

You are a Bills fan?  You might want to change your name on here. 

You also forgot the part where they made the playoffs 2x now under Beane and are 6-2 this year.

But I do appreciate the incessant negative take from fans like you. 

 

 

I love when people tell fans how to be fans.  We don't all wave pow pow during the game.  Some people enjoy looking at the team with a critical eye.  You don't have to.

 

[Hampton Josh fan]

1 hour ago, All I Need is Hope said:

I'll join the "pile on" party this evening...

 

Overall, Beane's drafting and FA handling are starting to show cracks... probable misses on high picks like Ford, Edmunds, Phillips, Joseph, maybe Knox.  Many good FA adds like Feliciano, Morse, Beasley, Brown; but several misses or marginal upgrades like Klein, potentially Norman, Spain, Murphy (jury's out on this year's crop - Butler, Addison).

 

Part of the results of the middle-of-the-pack GM performance is a linebacking group and dline that are bad, with terrible depth and few play makers/game changers on defense (other than Milano and Tre); and plays soft.  

 

Beane, by all accounts is a very bright and hard working GM, however, if I look closely at the roster and results, it's not as positive as I've been thinking for the last year plus.

 

Perfect assessment. I couldn't agree more. The question now is will he go against his form and make a move to shore up this porous defense. The offense is becoming really good. 

[TPS]

21 minutes ago, TN Bills Fan said:

Cody Ford can't find a position.  AJ is a project taken with a second round pick.  Edmunds is awful.  Oliver has regressed.  I know it will be unpopular but I think Allen is still a question mark.  Beat a top team on the road and you are "the man."  Not taking Mahomes is a historic mistake.  As bad as the Nets taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.  Beane is a mess.

Can you explain how not taking Mahomes is Beane's fault...?

[Mr. WEO]

47 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

Well all 11 on that side since he is winning games for them...

that makes no sense

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, All I Need is Hope said:

I'll join the "pile on" party this evening...

 

Overall, Beane's drafting and FA handling are starting to show cracks... probable misses on high picks like Ford, Edmunds, Phillips, Joseph, maybe Knox.  Many good FA adds like Feliciano, Morse, Beasley, Brown; but several misses or marginal upgrades like Klein, potentially Norman, Spain, Murphy (jury's out on this year's crop - Butler, Addison).

 

Part of the results of the middle-of-the-pack GM performance is a linebacking group and dline that are bad, with terrible depth and few play makers/game changers on defense (other than Milano and Tre); and plays soft.  

 

Beane, by all accounts is a very bright and hard working GM, however, if I look closely at the roster and results, it's not as positive as I've been thinking for the last year plus.

 

Milano looked like he couldn't wait to get out of Cams way and Tre is a shell of himself. Last year they were much better, but right now they are no better than the rest of the defense. 

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

how many more years does Edmunds need to develop ?     

Two. 

[Trogdor]

47 minutes ago, TN Bills Fan said:

Cody Ford can't find a position.  AJ is a project taken with a second round pick.  Edmunds is awful.  Oliver has regressed.  I know it will be unpopular but I think Allen is still a question mark.  Beat a top team on the road and you are "the man."  Not taking Mahomes is a historic mistake.  As bad as the Nets taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.  Beane is a mess.

Olive is out of position. It's not really a regression, but they have him in the worst place he could be. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

He’s definitely made mistakes, as do ALL general managers, but I feel like the majority of his contracts to free agents don’t lock us in to long terms or big dollars. As for his drafting? Again, a fair share of misses like every GM, but the future development of high picks like Edmunds and Oliver will go a long way towards determining his legacy. At this point, there’s reason for concern but there’s also time. 

[fansince88]

1 hour ago, All I Need is Hope said:

I'll join the "pile on" party this evening...

 

Overall, Beane's drafting and FA handling are starting to show cracks... probable misses on high picks like Ford, Edmunds, Phillips, Joseph, maybe Knox.  Many good FA adds like Feliciano, Morse, Beasley, Brown; but several misses or marginal upgrades like Klein, potentially Norman, Spain, Murphy (jury's out on this year's crop - Butler, Addison).

 

Part of the results of the middle-of-the-pack GM performance is a linebacking group and dline that are bad, with terrible depth and few play makers/game changers on defense (other than Milano and Tre); and plays soft.  

 

Beane, by all accounts is a very bright and hard working GM, however, if I look closely at the roster and results, it's not as positive as I've been thinking for the last year plus.

 

So....you have no hope? Ironic 

[ProcessTruster]

1 hour ago, All I Need is Hope said:

I'll join the "pile on" party this evening...

 

Overall, Beane's drafting and FA handling are starting to show cracks... probable misses on high picks like Ford, Edmunds, Phillips, Joseph, maybe Knox.  Many good FA adds like Feliciano, Morse, Beasley, Brown; but several misses or marginal upgrades like Klein, potentially Norman, Spain, Murphy (jury's out on this year's crop - Butler, Addison).

 

Part of the results of the middle-of-the-pack GM performance is a linebacking group and dline that are bad, with terrible depth and few play makers/game changers on defense (other than Milano and Tre); and plays soft.  

 

Beane, by all accounts is a very bright and hard working GM, however, if I look closely at the roster and results, it's not as positive as I've been thinking for the last year plus.

 

6 - 2 .  nuf said 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

51 minutes ago, TN Bills Fan said:

Cody Ford can't find a position.  AJ is a project taken with a second round pick.  Edmunds is awful.  Oliver has regressed.  I know it will be unpopular but I think Allen is still a question mark.  Beat a top team on the road and you are "the man."  Not taking Mahomes is a historic mistake.  As bad as the Nets taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.  Beane is a mess.

Beane wasn’t our GM when Mahomes was drafted. 

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, High Football IQ said:

 

His drafting has been horrible and for all the credit some folks gave him for cleaning up the previous regime's mess and he pretty much put them back into the same situation especially after what appears to be a very premature extension to Tre White.

 

He's certainly hit on some trades and FA signings but overall there's nothing impressive about what he's done and the insistence on focusing on the Carolina franchise will prove to be his downfall.

nothing impressive- like ending a 17 year playoff drought with 2 playoffs in 3 years while in the middle of a rebuild.   Like helping to changethe way the team is perceived by veteran players.  Like having us sitting at 6-2 with strong chance of winning a division title for the first time in 20 years. 
 

That is impressive and the best is yet to come. 

[billsfan89]

Just now, Bob in STL said:

nothing impressive- like ending a 17 year playoff drought with 2 playoffs in 3 years while in the middle of a rebuild.   Like helping to changethe way the team is perceived by veteran players.  Like having us sitting at 6-2 with strong chance of winning a division title for the first time in 20 years. 
 

That is impressive and the best is yet to come. 

 

Also the Bills have a franchise QB for the first time since the 1990's. McD and Beane have made mistakes but to not act like they haven't been successful is silly.

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, All I Need is Hope said:

I'm always comparing our progress to teams that are currently competitive to win the Super Bowl, and it seems like we could become stuck in the "we're a play-off team with limiting flaws"

 

I agree that Beane is better than previous regimes, top to bottom, and heck, by Buffalo standards, he might be great... however, I want us to make the next jump and I'm skeptical regarding his ability to get us there. 

Ok.  Fair. You can be skeptical.  He is not perfect. 

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

In all honesty it doesn’t matter because he drafted Josh Allen. 
 

Josh is infinitely more important than all of those guys... he can elevate the play of marginal players (hence how we are 6-2 despite all the whining and complaining from the fan base)

Josh in the second 4 weeks looks a lot like Josh last year and nothing like Josh the first 4 weeks of the season. 

 

He is still a question mark in my opinion. 

 

Consistent Qb play is the most important thing on offense. Since his struggles reappeared, this offense has been pretty dismal. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, All I Need is Hope said:

I'll join the "pile on" party this evening...

 

Overall, Beane's drafting and FA handling are starting to show cracks... probable misses on high picks like Ford, Edmunds, Phillips, Joseph, maybe Knox.  Many good FA adds like Feliciano, Morse, Beasley, Brown; but several misses or marginal upgrades like Klein, potentially Norman, Spain, Murphy (jury's out on this year's crop - Butler, Addison).

 

Part of the results of the middle-of-the-pack GM performance is a linebacking group and dline that are bad, with terrible depth and few play makers/game changers on defense (other than Milano and Tre); and plays soft.  

 

Beane, by all accounts is a very bright and hard working GM, however, if I look closely at the roster and results, it's not as positive as I've been thinking for the last year plus.

 

I have got to think any shortcomings re defensive personnel are shared by McDermott and Beane. Seems like McDermott probably has a huge say on how they get on D. 

[klos63]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Oliver was playing out of his mind today, he almost gored Cam on multiple plays and was constantly in the backfield. 

Probably his most effective game all year. First half was very strong, not as much in the 2nd.

[Steptide]

No team hits on all their draft picks. Beane has done a darn good job in free agency and trades (Diggs, poyer, Hyde, Jordan Phillips etc). While knox hasent been spectacular, he's our best tight end and Imo it shows when he's not playing. I get the Edmunds argument, he hasent lived up to where he was drafted, but Milano definitely has. Obviously the defense has to get some things figured out, but this team as a whole has gotten better every year since beane and McDermott got here 

[Bob in STL]

3 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

His drafting has been decent but cmon man

 

how can you say his FA pickups have been good? We have one of the worst front 7’s in the NFL right now. A front 7 almost entirely made up of Beanes players. Only guy that isn’t his is Hughes and he’s been the best player on defense this season 

Actually I said the free agent pickups improved us without hurting the cap.  This past season not so much.  
 

I agree the front 7 is not good enough.  Star out, Lorenzo not adequately replaced, Phillips struggling after the ACL, Edmunds and Milano playing hurt.  He missed on the LB depth.  

Edited November 2, 2020 by Bob in STL

[dgrochester55]

46 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

Klein is an absolute disaster out there - he's not even acceptable depth.

 

Agreed, he is bad.   Not "should not be starting" bad, but, "should not be playing" bad.  It is at the point that I would be see any free agent, waiver wire or practice squad player as a likely upgrade.

 

If you came up with an all time bad Bills defense, I think that Klein would join the likes of Aaron Maybin, Justin Rogers and Chris Watson

Edited November 2, 2020 by dgrochester55