LABILLBACKER Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Cam melting down after his diagnosis. Edelman out with Knee. Gilmore rumored to possibly be traded? If the Patriots were ever more vulnerable this is it. We're coming off 3 straight weak performances. If we don't come out with our hair on fire and blow these guys out I will lose a ton of respect for McD.
YoloinOhio Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, Process said: Is there a reason the pats would trade their best defensive player? I don't get it. Surely they are not ready to tank and give up on the season. They have other good corners actually and his cap hit next year is atrocious. JC Jackson may be playing better than him right now. They aren’t a SB contender. It’s the right move to trade him if they can get a 1st.
dave mcbride Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Really? Seymour had 2 more Pro Bowl seasons out of 4 and then was out of the league Milloy had 0 more Pro Bowl seasons and was a shell of his former self by the time he left Buffalo 3 years later Logan Mankins played 2 more seasons making 1 Pro Bowl then retired Nate Solder has been an absolute dumpster fire for the Giants Jamie Collins is on his 3rd team after getting traded by New England the first time (one of those teams being New England again who then let him go again) Ty Law had one great season with the Jets one good season with KC then fell off the planet Gostkowski is currently having the worst year of his career Welker caught 118 balls his last year in New England which is only 18 less than he caught in the remainder of his career combined Vinatieri is an exception in performance but not in salary. The Patriots spent a total of 11.4M salary cap dollars on Vinatieri in 10 seasons. The Colts spent 39.7M cap dollars on him over the next 14 years. BB replaced him with the aforementioned Gostkowski who costs almost exactly the same amount as Vinatieri over those same 14 years except Gostkowski was better statistically while kicking outside. Brady is still excellent but does anyone think that will last longer than a year or two? Gronkowski had a good game Sunday but is still a shadow of his former self. Again, do you see a long excellent career for him in Tampa? It's not really fair to say they "only" had a couple of good seasons after 7-8 good seasons in NE. Corey Dillon only had one great season in NE after a bunch of great seasons in Cincy, but he was central to their SB winning team (over 1600 rushing yards). Same with Revis when he came to NE, Ted Washington when he went to NE (where absolutely dominated in 03), and Aqib Talib in a variety of locations (including NE). Welker was very valuable in Denver in his first year, and the team got to the SB. Teams know they're not getting 8 seasons of peak Ty Law, but they hope that in the 2 or so prime seasons he has left he can put them over the top. Law signed with a playoff team that made it to the second round the year before, but then their qb goes down and it's all over. He still had 10 picks in a great season. Teams aren't looking for five great seasons from longtime former NE players, but rather a couple of good seasons plus an infusion of winning culture that hopefully makes them a SB contender. TB isn't looking for Brady to lead them to a SB in 2024; they are thinking about 2020 and 2021. And Gronk is now looking better than you suggest above. 1
wjag Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: hes listed with an ankle injury though That does feel a bit curious.
That's No Moon Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Barring injury I can see Brady playing 4 more years at his current level of play which is amazing right now. Patriots made a huge mistake letting Brady go, thank you Belicheat. I disagree. He's hitting the wall. There are already a lot of throws he can't make and they had to take out of the offense. He's still playing well but the arm isn't going to get stronger. There is a reason all of their outside WRs YPR has tanked this year and Scotty Miller is now a thing. It will be interesting to see what happens when defenses readjust to what Tampa is doing now and they start daring them to throw deep on the outside.
PrimeTime101 Posted October 29, 2020 Author Posted October 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, wjag said: That does feel a bit curious. it is.
spartacus Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 49 minutes ago, Process said: Is there a reason the pats would trade their best defensive player? I don't get it. Surely they are not ready to tank and give up on the season. Trevor Lawrence has always been the plan 1
PrimeTime101 Posted October 29, 2020 Author Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: I disagree. He's hitting the wall. There are already a lot of throws he can't make and they had to take out of the offense. He's still playing well but the arm isn't going to get stronger. There is a reason all of their outside WRs YPR has tanked this year and Scotty Miller is now a thing. It will be interesting to see what happens when defenses readjust to what Tampa is doing now and they start daring them to throw deep on the outside. hes hitting a wall? lol no.. there may be throws he cant make but hitting a wall hes not peyton Manning looked worse his last year. 1
That's No Moon Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: It's not really fair to say they "only" had a couple of good seasons after 7-8 good seasons in NE. Corey Dillon only had one great season in NE after a bunch of great seasons in Cincy, but he was central to their SB winning team (over 1600 rushing yards). Same with Revis when he came to NE, Ted Washington when he went to NE (where absolutely dominated in 03), and Aqib Talib in a variety of locations (including NE). Welker was very valuable in Denver in his first year, and the team got to the SB. Teams know they're not getting 8 seasons of peak Ty Law, but they hope that in the 2 or so prime seasons he has left he can put them over the top. Law signed with a playoff team that made it to the second round the year before, but then their qb goes down and it's all over. He still had 10 picks in a great season. Teams aren't looking for five great seasons from longtime former NE players, but rather a couple of good seasons plus an infusion of winning culture that hopefully makes them a SB contender. TB isn't looking for Brady to lead them to a SB in 2024; they are thinking about 2020 and 2021. And Gronk is now looking better than you suggest above. I feel like this is the point I was trying to make in my original post. If you are acquiring Gilmore it better be for right now and right now only. 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: hes hitting a wall? lol no.. there may be throws he cant make but hitting a wall hes not peyton Manning looked worse his last year. Peyton Manning was injured his last year. That's different.
dave mcbride Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, That's No Moon said: I feel like this is the point I was trying to make in my original post. If you are acquiring Gilmore it better be for right now and right now only. Yeah, absolutely. He goes to a team like Seattle, and they are the favorite to represent the NFC in the SB. GB could use him too.
PrimeTime101 Posted October 29, 2020 Author Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: I feel like this is the point I was trying to make in my original post. If you are acquiring Gilmore it better be for right now and right now only. Peyton Manning was injured his last year. That's different. not till the end of the yr before playoffs.
dave mcbride Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: I disagree. He's hitting the wall. There are already a lot of throws he can't make and they had to take out of the offense. He's still playing well but the arm isn't going to get stronger. There is a reason all of their outside WRs YPR has tanked this year and Scotty Miller is now a thing. It will be interesting to see what happens when defenses readjust to what Tampa is doing now and they start daring them to throw deep on the outside. He looked good throwing deep vs. the Raiders ... 1
PrimeTime101 Posted October 29, 2020 Author Posted October 29, 2020 If we got him cheap would you be happy we got him back to buffalo? yes or no? hes not a process guy yet gilmore and white back there alows you to run some crazy blitz packages like what Seattle did when they had 2 great CB
TBBills Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Really? Seymour had 2 more Pro Bowl seasons out of 4 and then was out of the league Milloy had 0 more Pro Bowl seasons and was a shell of his former self by the time he left Buffalo 3 years later Logan Mankins played 2 more seasons making 1 Pro Bowl then retired Nate Solder has been an absolute dumpster fire for the Giants Jamie Collins is on his 3rd team after getting traded by New England the first time (one of those teams being New England again who then let him go again) Ty Law had one great season with the Jets one good season with KC then fell off the planet Gostkowski is currently having the worst year of his career Welker caught 118 balls his last year in New England which is only 18 less than he caught in the remainder of his career combined Vinatieri is an exception in performance but not in salary. The Patriots spent a total of 11.4M salary cap dollars on Vinatieri in 10 seasons. The Colts spent 39.7M cap dollars on him over the next 14 years. BB replaced him with the aforementioned Gostkowski who costs almost exactly the same amount as Vinatieri over those same 14 years except Gostkowski was better statistically while kicking outside. Brady is still excellent but does anyone think that will last longer than a year or two? Gronkowski had a good game Sunday but is still a shadow of his former self. Again, do you see a long excellent career for him in Tampa? Yea that looks like guys had good times after they left. You aren't looking for more than a couple of years from older guys that Patriots released. Welker had his best year the year he left NE for Denver he caught 10TDs in 13 games. Edited October 29, 2020 by TBBills
Haslett_Stomp Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: mmmmm glimore going to want to show the world how good he is sunday.. If hes still with the Pats sunday,he will remind them what they will miss. On the other hand.. antagonizing that temper of his may be to easy this game Diggs is going to school Gilmore.
PrimeTime101 Posted October 29, 2020 Author Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) Just now, Haslett_Stomp said: Diggs is going to school Gilmore. i hope so if he plays.. they could sit him out so hes healthy for trade Edited October 29, 2020 by PrimeTime101
Haslett_Stomp Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: i hope so If Hogan can do it Diggs certainly can. 1
Mango Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: If we got him cheap would you be happy we got him back to buffalo? yes or no? hes not a process guy yet gilmore and white back there alows you to run some crazy blitz packages like what Seattle did when they had 2 great CB His cap hit this year is like $25M. I am not one of the resident cap-ologists, but it is pretty expensive for a rental this season. Next year is about $17.5M. I am actually less concerned about cost in draft capital and more concerned with managing the cap. The only way it works I think is probably with an extension as well to spread out the damage. But now you are extending a player who has not been good this year and taking a chance that he will return to form. If he doesn't you end up eating tons of $$$. 1
Don Otreply Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: You know if it were any other player with a name like Jones, roberts, etc it wouldn't have worked, but first time I read your post, thought it said "stained foot...." PS I see I'm about 100 miles south of you in Wilmington NC Ah, I hadn’t updated my travels, we are in Beaufort SC presently, Continuing south after Some weather we are dodging, such is boat life, currently anchored with a few other boats near the Ladies island bridge, we hope to winter in the Bahamas 🇧🇸 Go Bills!!!
PrimeTime101 Posted October 29, 2020 Author Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Haslett_Stomp said: If Hogan can do it Diggs certainly can. on 2 player's 1 minute ago, Mango said: His cap hit this year is like $25M. I am not one of the resident cap-ologists, but it is pretty expensive for a rental this season. Next year is about $17.5M. I am actually less concerned about cost in draft capital and more concerned with managing the cap. The only way it works I think is probably with an extension as well to spread out the damage. But now you are extending a player who has not been good this year and taking a chance that he will return to form. If he doesn't you end up eating tons of $$$. we would give up a extra pick for Pats to eat some of that money
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