Big Turk Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Bills doing some good things on special teams other than Bass... Punt Return Avg: Roberts leads the NFL at 13.1 yard/return (2nd place is 9.8) Kick Return Avg: Roberts 2nd in the NFL at 29.3 yards/return(Cordarelle Patterson leads with 29.6 yards/return) Punt Avg: Bojorquez 3rd in the NFL at 50.8 yards/punt(Jack Fox(DET) leads with 53.4 yards/punt and Cameron Johnston(PIT) 2nd at 50.9 yards/punt) 3
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Interesting. The much maligned Bojo doing well, thus far. Yeah just keep Andre Roberts out of the WR lineup and him letting a punt go deep and be downed was a mistake he shouldnt make with his experience. 1
formerlyofCtown Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Bills doing some good things on special teams other than Bass... Punt Return Avg: Roberts leads the NFL at 13.1 yard/return (2nd place is 9.8) Kick Return Avg: Roberts 2nd in the NFL at 29.3 yards/return(Cordarelle Patterson leads with 29.6 yards/return) Punt Avg: Bojorquez 3rd in the NFL at 50.8 yards/punt(Jack Fox(DET) leads with 53.4 yards/punt and Cameron Johnston(PIT) 2nd at 50.9 yards/punt) In spite of his misses Bass impressed me. He seemed to be phycologically uneffected by his misses. Kicker is probably the position most effected by phycological things. Edited October 29, 2020 by formerlyofCtown 1
BuffaloBillies Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: In spite of his misses Bass impressed me. He seemed to be phycologically uneffected by his misses. Kicker is probably the position most effected by phycological things. He makes me so anxious though... I always think he's going to kick it left (the majority of his misses so far). His last kick against the Jets was the best "shape-wise" (imo) - because he started it just slightly right of center and curved right through the middle. Great one - need more of those.
Kwai San Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Interesting. The much maligned Bojo doing well, thus far. Yeah just keep Andre Roberts out of the WR lineup and him letting a punt go deep and be downed was a mistake he shouldnt make with his experience. That HAD to have been a brain seize on that miss read punt....had to be.
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Kwai San said: That HAD to have been a brain seize on that miss read punt....had to be. Yeah it was very strange, almost his entire game was a brain seize but i think he did have one nice return late. 1
Kwai San Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Yeah it was very strange, almost his entire game was a brain seize but i think he did have one nice return late. Agreed - one good return and the rest of the game was wandering around in a phone booth......ugh!
hondo in seattle Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: Bills doing some good things on special teams other than Bass... Punt Return Avg: Roberts leads the NFL at 13.1 yard/return (2nd place is 9.8) Kick Return Avg: Roberts 2nd in the NFL at 29.3 yards/return(Cordarelle Patterson leads with 29.6 yards/return) Punt Avg: Bojorquez 3rd in the NFL at 50.8 yards/punt(Jack Fox(DET) leads with 53.4 yards/punt and Cameron Johnston(PIT) 2nd at 50.9 yards/punt) Thanks for posting. I hadn't seen this. And, unfortunately, the first thing I think of when I think Special Teams is Bass's misses. I knew Roberts and Bojo were doing well but I didn't realize they were doing this well. Bass is a rookie so I'm still holding out hope for him. His leg seems strong enough - hopefully he can fix the accuracy/consistency.
billsfan89 Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Bojo has been a stud, Roberts has been a stud, and the coverage units have been great. I would also add that Bass while he has been up and down with kicks he has been very good on kickoffs. So overall outside of Bass on field goals I would rank the Bills as having an elite ST unit. Granted I am shocked that Bojo has been so good, but McBeane did put it a lot of resources (relatively speaking) to build a good ST unit. They signed a pair of ST specialists in T.Jones and Matakevich, they signed a stud returner in Roberts last year and they invested in Bass a 6th round pick. I think one thing I always have liked about McBeane is the attention to the little things that they do on the roster. ST investments have paid off. 1
LABILLBACKER Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 9 hours ago, matter2003 said: Bills doing some good things on special teams other than Bass... Punt Return Avg: Roberts leads the NFL at 13.1 yard/return (2nd place is 9.8) Kick Return Avg: Roberts 2nd in the NFL at 29.3 yards/return(Cordarelle Patterson leads with 29.6 yards/return) Punt Avg: Bojorquez 3rd in the NFL at 50.8 yards/punt(Jack Fox(DET) leads with 53.4 yards/punt and Cameron Johnston(PIT) 2nd at 50.9 yards/punt) I'll give Bass a pass being his rookie year. If he can figure out the wind and keep his percentage near 80 that would be something to build on. He has the leg to get 60.
NewEra Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Has anyone actually seen Tyler Matakavich? I’ve yet to see him one time he seems to be the biggest waste of money ever. A LB that can’t play LB and is never seen on ST. 2
ganesh Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 11 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: In spite of his misses Bass impressed me. He seemed to be phycologically uneffected by his misses. Kicker is probably the position most effected by phycological things. Agree...I think Bass has been a great addition for this team; who can be here for a very very long time....like Moorman our Punter 11 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Yeah just keep Andre Roberts out of the WR lineup and him letting a punt go deep and be downed was a mistake he shouldnt make with his experience. One thing I see with Roberts (or at least a perception) is that he appears to not have the right speed on the return. He seems slow enough that the gunners are able to get to him quickly. He works around coming guys and makes them miss but don't see the speed.
billsfan89 Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, NewEra said: Has anyone actually seen Tyler Matakavich? I’ve yet to see him one time he seems to be the biggest waste of money ever. A LB that can’t play LB and is never seen on ST. He has 5 ST tackles which is good for 9th in the league, seems to me he is a highly effective ST player.
GunnerBill Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 Interested to see coverage numbers. The coverage team definitely hurt us against the Titans. Andre Roberts is and always has been a stud. And Bojo (who I am not a fan of) while he has had a couple of WTF moments where he line drives punts and kills his coverage has definitely improved his consistency and reduced the mistakes.
CSBill Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 17 hours ago, matter2003 said: Bills doing some good things on special teams other than Bass... Punt Return Avg: Roberts leads the NFL at 13.1 yard/return (2nd place is 9.8) Kick Return Avg: Roberts 2nd in the NFL at 29.3 yards/return(Cordarelle Patterson leads with 29.6 yards/return) Punt Avg: Bojorquez 3rd in the NFL at 50.8 yards/punt(Jack Fox(DET) leads with 53.4 yards/punt and Cameron Johnston(PIT) 2nd at 50.9 yards/punt) But I thought our punter was terrible? Every mention of him here is that he needs to go. I thought those booming 50 yard punts I an seeing in the games are being piped in like the crowd noise? Are they real ????? Serious thought: What has not happened this year, so far 🤪, are one of his shanks or failed pass attempts. Hopefully he has punted those out of his system as he's gotten a bit old and wiser. .... As for holding the ball on field goal attempts, that is not really what he's getting paid for. If he is not good at it, find someone else that is. I'm glad the Bills have allowed him to grow into the position. And, I think we're going to go through the same thing with Bass. What both have are strong legs--something you can't really coach into. What they both need to grow into (coached into) is how to utilize and master that leg strength. It takes patience. Giving them the time will help in the long run--we just hope it doesn't bite us in the meantime.
Mat68 Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 18 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: In spite of his misses Bass impressed me. He seemed to be phycologically uneffected by his misses. Kicker is probably the position most effected by phycological things. On a fair share of his misses the laces were on the side not out. Idk not a kicker but think it can push a football a few yards.
NewEra Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 4 hours ago, billsfan89 said: He has 5 ST tackles which is good for 9th in the league, seems to me he is a highly effective ST player. Have you seen him?
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 9 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I'll give Bass a pass being his rookie year. If he can figure out the wind and keep his percentage near 80 that would be something to build on. He has the leg to get 60. This is a really good listen on rookie kicking and Bass https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-bills-daily-podcast-on-the-buffalo-bills/id1145479962#episodeGuid=7ad11d94-1a28-11eb-a4b0-83d306815af3
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 12 hours ago, ganesh said: Agree...I think Bass has been a great addition for this team; who can be here for a very very long time....like Moorman our Punter One thing I see with Roberts (or at least a perception) is that he appears to not have the right speed on the return. He seems slow enough that the gunners are able to get to him quickly. He works around coming guys and makes them miss but don't see the speed. Bass really has been a great addition even with the occasional miss (rookie), he has not cost us a game so far and the Bills can have confidence on kickoffs and long field goals. I haven't noticed on Roberts but will going forward. One thing this team does not have is a great deal of speed. I googled fastest Buffalo Bill player and came up with a list that had Andre Roberts as the third fastest 40 time but that time was years ago as was Taiwan Jones.. Roberts was the third fastest behind Taiwan Jones and John Brown, I didnt realize Taiwan Jones is still on the team. Our starting running backs might be the slowest RB group in the NFL.
Saxum Posted October 30, 2020 Posted October 30, 2020 14 hours ago, NewEra said: Has anyone actually seen Tyler Matakavich? I’ve yet to see him one time he seems to be the biggest waste of money ever. A LB that can’t play LB and is never seen on ST. No one has seen him for there is no such player on roster. it is Tyler Matakevich and if you really were actually looking for info on player on internet to back up your claim.
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