Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/28/2020 at 9:28 PM, Dragoon said: I kinda consider myself an expert on how Rome fell. Our parallels are shockingly similar. Expand We are a slave society? I didn't know that? Did Rome have modern science? Did Rome have corporations? Did Rome have democracy? I remember when Clinton was president this silly argument was put forward, also.
Dragoon Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 12:15 PM, Tiberius said: We are a slave society? I didn't know that? Did Rome have modern science? Did Rome have corporations? Did Rome have democracy? I remember when Clinton was president this silly argument was put forward, also. Expand 1. people like you tell me we’re a slave society all the time. I’ll argue to some extent we are. I mean, Asian sweatshops do produce a lot of our goods. 2. No, Rome did not have modern science because Rome was in antiquity. 3. Yes, Rome had businesses. 4. Did Rome have democracy? Kinda. On 10/29/2020 at 12:00 AM, Artful Dodger said: Can you please share what you think the parallels are? I'm in my mid 50's, and people have been talking about this for my entire life, but I struggle to see what the parallels are. There are no hordes of Visigoths at our borders and we don't drink from lead pipes. Also we have a pretty good system of government which ensures a peaceful transfer of power every four or eight years. Expand Lead pipes......lead pipes had nothing to do with anything. They caused no health issues. Yeah, what people are talking about....usually, is the end of the Republic era and the beginning of the imperium, which is a longtime before the Goths go rampaging. The Punic wars mesh up with our rise to super power status with our world wars. They had a conflict in Iberia that dragged on forever similar to our Vietnam. The social strife, the politics....it’s all eerily similar. I’m referencing the period of about 170-80 BC. Not the AD stuff like the Goths.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 1:28 PM, Dragoon said: 1. people like you tell me we’re a slave society all the time. I’ll argue to some extent we are. I mean, Asian sweatshops do produce a lot of our goods. 2. No, Rome did not have modern science because Rome was in antiquity. 3. Yes, Rome had businesses. 4. Did Rome have democracy? Kinda. Expand Oh please, e don't have any type of legal slavery like Rome had. And no Rome didnt have corporations. Two very, very different societies We are not defending our borders from armed invasion, either.
Westside Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 1:37 PM, Tiberius said: Oh please, e don't have any type of legal slavery like Rome had. And no Rome didnt have corporations. Two very, very different societies We are not defending our borders from armed invasion, either. Expand We are defending our country from socialist like you.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 1:38 PM, westside2 said: We are defending our country from socialist like you. Expand And you are failing
Westside Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 1:40 PM, Tiberius said: And you are failing Expand Wrong
Dragoon Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 1:37 PM, Tiberius said: Oh please, e don't have any type of legal slavery like Rome had. And no Rome didnt have corporations. Two very, very different societies We are not defending our borders from armed invasion, either. Expand Well we do use slavery....for our imports. Rome definitely had corporations. Obviously they did. My god man....who do you think collected taxes, provided logistics to the military and so on? I mean a simple study of Rome’s Equites and it’s all there. i do agree we’re not defending our borders adequately though. That’s true.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 1:46 PM, Dragoon said: Well we do use slavery....for our imports. Rome definitely had corporations. Obviously they did. My god man....who do you think collected taxes, provided logistics to the military and so on? I mean a simple study of Rome’s Equites and it’s all there. i do agree we’re not defending our borders adequately though. That’s true. Expand There is just no serious comparison
Dragoon Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 1:51 PM, Tiberius said: There is just no serious comparison Expand Well, I disagree. 1
Gary M Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 1:54 PM, Dragoon said: Well, I disagree. Expand “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”–George Santayana
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 3:47 PM, Gary M said: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”–George Santayana Expand What past? The Roman Empire? What lessons are we suppose to take from a pre-modern, slave based society that didn't even know the earth orbited the sun?
Gary M Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 6:10 PM, Tiberius said: What past? The Roman Empire? What lessons are we suppose to take from a pre-modern, slave based society that didn't even know the earth orbited the sun? Expand exactly
Dragoon Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) On 10/29/2020 at 6:10 PM, Tiberius said: What past? The Roman Empire? What lessons are we suppose to take from a pre-modern, slave based society that didn't even know the earth orbited the sun? Expand Tibs — if you actually go back and learn about Tiberius Grachus you’d realize how silly you sound. My god man — the very era of Tiberius was the beginning of the end of the Roman REPUBLIC. It was a very complex. Politically, logistically, it was VERY complex. And, literally everything going on today was going on then. I mean my god, Tibs....it was nothing for Rome to have numerous 60,000 man armies warring on different continents. You think that isn’t complex? Keeping a 60,000 man army in the field is not an easy task today, let alone 2000 years ago. There is a great deal to learn. Edited October 29, 2020 by Dragoon
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 9:56 PM, Dragoon said: Tibs — if you actually go back and learn about Tiberius Grachus you’d realize how silly you sound. My god man — the very era of Tiberius was the beginning of the end of the Roman REPUBLIC. It was a very complex. Politically, logistically, it was VERY complex. And, literally everything going on today was going on then. I mean my god, Tibs....it was nothing for Rome to have numerous 60,000 man armies warring on different continents. You think that isn’t complex? Keeping a 60,000 man army in the field is not an easy task today, let alone 2000 years ago. There is a great deal to learn. Expand Rome was a very, very different society, situation and culture, almost no connection what so ever
Dragoon Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 10:03 PM, Tiberius said: Rome was a very, very different society, situation and culture, almost no connection what so ever Expand Tibs, you idiot, we’re new Rome. Do you know less than 50 years separates the story of America from that of Rome. I know the similarities. It’s kinda my hobby. It’s kinda my thing. I thought like you until I actually studied.
Gary M Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 10:06 PM, Dragoon said: Tibs, you idiot, Expand That is a complete sentence, no need for any more than that
BullBuchanan Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 On 10/28/2020 at 9:28 PM, Dragoon said: I kinda consider myself an expert on how Rome fell. Our parallels are shockingly similar. Expand Look no further than Combover Caligula. 1
Dragoon Posted November 2, 2020 Posted November 2, 2020 On 11/2/2020 at 10:15 PM, BullBuchanan said: Look no further than Combover Caligula. Expand Um....he wasn’t that big of a deal IMO.
Niagara Bill Posted November 3, 2020 Posted November 3, 2020 The country began in a revolutionary civil war ( Not everyone supported leaving English control), continued through another civil war and maybe about to enter another version. When the country began the states were given huge power, which is both a strength and weakness that is presently pulling the country apart in 2020. Keeping a country of this size and population is hard...and like Rome eventually explodes from within. I hope not, I pray not, but the most obvious sign is politicians in power govern only for their supporters not for the citizens. Imagine where you, a citizen, says I will not help my neighbor put out a fire in his house because he believes in something I do not. Wow. trump does this daily. From the outside this feels like a Venezuela election. Best of Luck for a successful election, safe, honest and secure.
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