Is this season an answer - Who is greater Bellichick or Brady?

[Alphadawg7]

How can anyone compare the two situations?  This is a pretty silly comparison and guess people forgot about Matt Cassel too.

 

Patriots roster is not remotely close to the Bucs.  Brady has the greatest collection of weapons of his career right now.  Patriots offensive weapons is among the worst in the league right now.  
 

Patriots had several of their best players opt out on defense too for COVID and lost others as well.  Bucs have an excellent run defense and pretty good overall defense.
 

This is like asking why isn’t BB coaching the Jags to the Super Bowl right now because the Pats roster isn’t much better than the Jags.  Meanwhile, Brady is the QB of an offensive juggernaught with a pretty good defense too.  Same offense Winston threw for over 5000 yards in last year when it had less talent than it does this year.

 

Sorry, but this is a ridiculous comparison and literally means nothing in the story of who was more important.  They are both GOATS at what they do.  Brady is just on a SB roster where Pats are more of a 5-7 win team roster.  

Edited October 27, 2020 by Alphadawg7

[NewEra]

Brady is the best QB.

 

Belichick is the best coach.

 

Each is the best in their respective roles.

 

You can’t compare the greatness between the two. Apples to oranges. 

Regarding 2020

Brady picked the best situation with a loaded team.

 

Belichicks team opted out and the talent on the team is currently poor.  Look at their front 7 depth chart.....and they’ll still hang with, if not defeat our boys sunday

 

Edited October 27, 2020 by NewEra

[timekills17]

My opinion, the worst coaching job that Belichick has performed is this year but he still has time to turn it around.

And by worst/turn it around I mean playing competitive but losing football.

The best outcome AFC-E teams could ask for would be competent playing by the Pats leading to at least 6 wins. That virtually assures they aren't in the running for getting or trading for a top 2 draft position.

I know saying tank is considered heretical in the NFL, and that you'll lose the respect of your players, no real NFL player would not try his hardest to win, etc. etc.

That goes out the door with a coach that has Belichick's reputation to say nothing of the decimation of the team due to COVID and a more-than-usual amount of loss in free agency.

 

Imagine a Pats team that only wins one more game and drafting #2 with potential to trade for #1 - or worse, getting a farmload of picks for someone who wants to trade up to #2.

They and Miami would each have a bunch of picks, and could theoretically remake their teams in one offseason.

Edited October 27, 2020 by timekills17

[BuffAlone]

This thread again?? I'm not here to heap praise on either of those Pansies. They both suck

[Just Joshin']

HOF coaches and QBs often go together.  It is the sum of the two that makes them great most often.

 

Does Marv get in without Jim?  Does Jim get in with a coach who would not commit to 3 wide, no huddle offense?

[Freddie's Dead]

Neither.  *****in' Cheaters, both of them.

[GoBills808]

Brady and it was never all that close

[TheBrownBear]

They are both great.  Belichick's greatness initially provided the system that allowed Brady to grow and become one of the all-time greats.  At some point, and aided by the changing rules to protect the QB position, Brady's "greatness" caught up to and surpassed Belichick's "greatness".  In today's NFL, great QB play is far more important than great coaching.

[buffalostu2]

Giving the Bucs the division before Michael Thomas plays a single healthy game is a huge mistake.

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, Artem Lipatov said:

Earlier it was hard to understand: Who was the bigger contributor for 2 decades of dominance of Pats dynasty? Now BB and Brady are divorced - and Brady (42 years old) carries Tampa to 1st divisional title for many years while Pats are 2-4. Also  we can remember the season when Brady was injuried and Pats couldn't clinch playooffs although had 10-6 season with Matt Cassel.   Can we now say that Tom Brady was the main factor of Pats success not Bellichik?

Have you seen Tampa's Roster.  You mention Matt Cassel who ironically would be undefeated with that Roster.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

This topic as a Bills fan makes me feel a little like Michael Bolton forced to fess up to the Bobs which song he likes best...(start at 1:15 mark)

 

[Freddie's Dead]

38 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

This topic as a Bills fan makes me feel a little like Michael Bolton forced to fess up to the Bobs which song he likes best...(start at 1:15 mark)

 

 

That "no talent a$$hat"....

[Jobot]

Totally.. because the Bucs and Pats have the exact same roster, you can now make a definitive claim... hopefully the OP can now sleep well with this debate settled.

[Mat68]

Championships 100% equal parties.  Tom Brady being the Qb for 20 years is the largest factor for the continual success of the franchise. Good Qbs cover pretty much every flaw a team could have.  

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Why does one have to be greater than they other? Why can’t they both be two of the best ever who had an amazing run together? 

Because people here love to view things in easy to understand, simple, black-and-white terms.

 

Of course, the real world is filled with shades of gray and varying degrees of complexity, with almost nothing being black and white.

 

 

 

 

[Mat68]

8 minutes ago, Jobot said:

Totally.. because the Bucs and Pats have the exact same roster, you can now make a definitive claim... hopefully the OP can now sleep well with this debate settled.

Bill didnt have this roster dropped on him.  He made it.  Drafted it, and traded for it.  The Pats having a bad offense and 0 depth on defense is 100% Bill's doing.  

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Why does one have to be greater than they other? Why can’t they both be two of the best ever who had an amazing run together? 

 

Exactly my thoughts. Brady had been covering up for lack of offensive playmakers for a few years. He got tired of it and wanted out. Bellichick the GM is far worse than Bellichick the coach

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

well, one thing is pretty certain. one is showing it doesn't need the other. then again, did the other lose more talent while the other gained?

 

either way

 

5-2  1-1 division

 

2-4  1-0 division

 

since so many base strength of schedule

 

giants, saints, panthers, rams, chiefs, vikings, falcons, lions, falcons

 

bills, jets, ravens, texans, cardinals, chargers, rams, dolphins, bills, jets

 

does a coach make a team or a QB make a team? or do both together make a team with talent around the QB?

 

so far, things are not looking too good in new england.

 

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Honestly I didn't need Brady leaving the Patriots to answer this. Brady does so much to get his players into a advantageous position before the snap. His accuracy passing the football is just ridiculous, he has ice water flowing through his veins. All those big time throws to carry the Patriots through the playoffs and into the super bowl and to win the super bowl. Without Brady the Patriots either don't make it to the SB or lose it. Without Belicheat the Patriots are still going to win at least 3 SB's. The Patriots had a legendary O-line coach, very good OC's and a good GM. The Offensive side of the Football would've won the Patriots SB's by itself. 

 

I feel like Belicheat is like a reverse Mike Ditka, Ditka had nothing to do with that Bears defense but that is what carried that team and Ditka got all the praise as the HC. 

[simpleman]

 Brady got to choose what team he went to. He wisely chose a team with a great existing roster. And other good  FA players in turn selected to join the team based on that same great roster and the "Brady Mystique", and the rich roster just got even richer. 

On the other hand Covid Opt-outs, years of poor drafting, and FA loses decimated the 2020 Patriots. And while Belichick may be a great coach, he is not an easy coach to play for. FA players played for the Pats because of the reputation that it was a winning team and the winning "Brady Mystic". They overlooked what a true pain it was to be coached by Belichick because they foremost wanted to be on a " sure winner". Knowing that Belichick has no personal loyalty to individual players, and believes that every player is an expendable tool to be tossed away when they start to decrease in value to the team does not make the Pats a team FAs want to play for without that sure thing winning allure..  Without Brady and all the missing talent, why choose to put up with Belichick as your boss.

Edited October 27, 2020 by simpleman