Reduce the size and complexity of the offensive play book

[Nextmanup]

Who is to say that the penalties we get stem from "complexity" or player confusion?

 

A lot of the penalties we got today, for example, are the sort of undisciplined/stupid penalties Bills teams have always gotten.

 

Didn't seem anything special to me.

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

No. When you have no conventional run game you need as many other ways to manufacture offense as possible. 

You can’t look at our offense and play calling and not put a lot of that on Daboll.  One, he is not calling many run plays, and when he does, he’s often calling runs out of unconventional formations or RPOs.  

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

TE looks as though he may just be a touch deep. But hard to tell on that shot. 

That is the ONLY player they could have called it on  I think. But I bet Bills get a letter this week from NFL Officials saying our bad we got it wrong. 
 

couldnt have called it on WRs as each one pointed at the Line judge (if they were lined up wrong Line Judge SHOULD have corrected them). 
 

which is why we didn’t get a number. Anytime I hear a penalty called with no number I immediately go to BS mode 

Edited October 26, 2020 by MAJBobby

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

You can’t look at our offense and play calling and not put a lot of that on Daboll.  One, he is not calling many run plays, and when he does, he’s often calling runs out of unconventional formations or RPOs.  

 

I can. The run blocking is atrocious and the running backs are very average and lack burst. The reason we are not running well is talent related. Finesse center, bad guards, slow ponderous backs.

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

That is the ONLY player they could have called it on  I think. But I bet Bills get a letter this week from NFL Officials saying our bad we got it wrong. 

 

It is certainly a harsh call. But it must have been on the TE. 

[Alphadawg7]

I didn’t make this post about one play.  We have had multiple issues for several weeks.  And most importantly, Daboll game plan has been frustrating for several weeks now.  
 

I didn’t say let’s make the offense vanilla, I think we need to just reduce the complex schemes a little bit that he’s always trying to run and turn the focus on getting the offense into a rhythm and getting the run game going.  
 

 

[947]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

TE looks as though he may just be a touch deep. But hard to tell on that shot. 

There's only 10 players shown in that still shot. I assume there's a WR wide on the right side that's not shown, and on the line. The WR at the top of the still is in the slot & off the line. Regardless, Gabe was even with the LT & the reply shows him signal that he's on the line to line judge. Really bad call. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, 947 said:

There's only 10 players shown in that still shot. I assume there's a WR wide on the right side that's not shown, and on the line. The WR at the top of the still is in the slot & off the line. Regardless, Gabe was even with the LT & the reply shows him signal that he's on the line to line judge. Really bad call. 

 

I count 11. I think there is a tight end next to the right tackle and he is the guy that looks arguably a bit deep to me. Am I seeing two people where there is only one?

[y2zipper]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I can. The run blocking is atrocious and the running backs are very average and lack burst. The reason we are not running well is talent related. Finesse center, bad guards, slow ponderous backs.

 

It is certainly a harsh call. But it must have been on the TE. 

 

I don't know the rules enough to know about the illegal formation but it's sus that we didn't get a number and the announcers didn't see it either.

 

The penalties today were on players that weren't planned starters and the sooner Buffalo gets Brown, Feliciano and Ford back, the better. This is a year with no preseason and TC, so teams that have major changes tend to have it rough. In Buffalo, this is a major reason the defensive line isn't good right and may be contributing to the run blocking woes, as well.

 

I also wonder if a part of the running game is part of building the team for Allen to succeed. He's largely a shotgun passer, and really prefers empty sets. Honestly enough.

 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, y2zipper said:

 

I also wonder if a part of the running game is part of building the team for Allen to succeed. He's largely a shotgun passer, and really prefers empty sets. Honestly enough.

 

Yep and that is why the signed Morse who is a much better pass blocker than run blocker. Similarly Spain. But obviously something has gone on there.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

To fix there problems in the Red Zone the bills need to start looking at the running backs we have and say your our number 1 no more running back by committee one  has to start taking pressure off of Josh,.

 

The Bills have been one of the best redzone teams in the NFL since Allen took over. I'd say this is a momentary speed bump rather than an actual issue.

[MAJBobby]

15 minutes ago, 947 said:

There's only 10 players shown in that still shot. I assume there's a WR wide on the right side that's not shown, and on the line. The WR at the top of the still is in the slot & off the line. Regardless, Gabe was even with the LT & the reply shows him signal that he's on the line to line judge. Really bad call. 

There is a TE covering the OT on the top of the shot. That’s 11 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I didn’t make this post about one play.  We have had multiple issues for several weeks.  And most importantly, Daboll game plan has been frustrating for several weeks now.  
 

I didn’t say let’s make the offense vanilla, I think we need to just reduce the complex schemes a little bit that he’s always trying to run and turn the focus on getting the offense into a rhythm and getting the run game going.  
 

 

It's vague what exactly you're calling for other than more running plays and less RPOs...if that's all you got then 'Run The Ball More' would have "reduced the complexity" of your thread title.

[MAJBobby]

16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I didn’t make this post about one play.  We have had multiple issues for several weeks.  And most importantly, Daboll game plan has been frustrating for several weeks now.  
 

I didn’t say let’s make the offense vanilla, I think we need to just reduce the complex schemes a little bit that he’s always trying to run and turn the focus on getting the offense into a rhythm and getting the run game going.  
 

 

i do thinks there are some things we can do without. Example all the window Dressing on a TE screen. You don’t need to fake 2 screens to try and get e TE screen in the middle. 
 

I don’t need to see multiple McKenzie End around s. 
 

I do think Daboll is getting to crazy lately with his window dressing. 

[Matt_In_NH]

I dont agree.  Illegal formation and false starts are unforced mental errors not caused by playbook complexity.  That can happen no matter what the complexity is.  This is more lack of focus than too much complexity.  I do think maybe they need to make some strategy adjustments though.    More called runs for rb’s is needed IMO.  

Edited October 26, 2020 by mattynh

[y2zipper]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep and that is why the signed Morse who is a much better pass blocker than run blocker. Similarly Spain. But obviously something has gone on there.

 

QB development is so important I'll take that trade, and honestly enough I really like moss on passing downs as a checkdown option and in pass pro. I think today they showed they can sub the short passing attack for it and make that work, but I'd like some investment into the shotgun running game.

 

 

[MasterStrategist]

Just today, I give Daboll a pass on the run game.  Being limited to 2 TEs, and injuries up front.  As much as the red zone deficiencies,  I think we would have been more angry not to drive the field. Just didn't have the timing or execution on some of the redzone possessions.  Illegal formation was questionable, but also not a fan of a couple play calls.  Need to avoid the penalties as well, once we get down there.

 

Illegal formation, at least this week, appeared to be a poor officiating call.  And erased a great read by Josh, and route by Davis.  

 

Days like today, where Josh did a solid job taking what the defense provided, I'm fine relying on the pass.game.  But we know Josh will occasionally have his "off games", up to Daboll to adjust then, and agree Daboll hasn't done that well in our 2 losses.

 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

It's vague what exactly you're calling for other than more running plays and less RPOs...if that's all you got then 'Run The Ball More' would have "reduced the complexity" of your thread title.

 

Thats not what I said.  I said reduce the complexity and size of the playbook a little bit until our offense is healthy.  Focus on getting a rhythm in the offense.  Because if you think our offense has been in rhythm the last 3 weeks then I dont know what games you have been watching.

2 minutes ago, mattynh said:

I dont agree.  Illegal formation and false starts are unforced mental errors not caused by playbook complexity.  That can happen no matter what the complexity is.  This is more lack of focus than too much complexity.  

 

Man, people fixate on certain words.  I didnt pin this thread only on penalties.  Its like thats all anyone read.  

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Thats not what I said.  I said reduce the complexity and size of the playbook a little bit until our offense is healthy.  Focus on getting a rhythm in the offense.  Because if you think our offense has been in rhythm the last 3 weeks then I dont know what games you have been watching.

So any time the offense doesn't work it's always going to be because it's too complex with no real reason to think that's the cause.

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

So any time the offense doesn't work it's always going to be because it's too complex with no real reason to think that's the cause.

 

Do you watch for the game plan?  The formations?  The shifts?  The schemes?  The options?

 

Not being an a**...but if you don't then this thread isn't going to make a lot of sense to you.  

 

Guess Daboll is perfect and nothing needs adjusting.  I whole heartedly disagree that hes been good the last few weeks.  I have had these issues in the past with him too.  

Edited October 26, 2020 by Alphadawg7

[Augie]

Rather than reduce the playbook, I’d rather INCREASE the production of the OLine. The RB’s are just OK, but they need a chance, somewhere to go. 

 

BTW, when does Feleciano comes back? Maybe that will help?