For everyone freaking out about the D last night

[Chuck Wagon]

I don't care how many points the D gave up.  When a team has Mahomes - Hill - Kelce and they are comfortable just running it down your throat and playing keep away, that's a gigantic red flag on any D.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

The gameplan against the Pats will be more of the Titans / Raiders plan of don't let Jacobs or Henry beat you. It worked when LV was throwing to Aghlor and Jones. It worked less when Tanny was throwing to AJ Brown and that tight end. I'm not sure the Pats have the weapons to beat us.

 

I had us 4-0. I had us 4-2. I have us 6-2. I still believe we will be. The first game where I feel less good about my pre-season call is the Seahawks who I had us beating. I thought they were going to be an 8 or 9 win team. I undervalued what having Russ still does for them.

 

It's going to be this same gameplan against russ too... lots of zone and not letting them hit home runs.  Carson is pretty good too.  

[thebandit27]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

 

Mahomes absolute could have. He averaged just under 9 yards per completion. which is above his career average.

 

80% completion rate for 225 yards, without trying. 

Hmmm...so why on earth would a brilliant play caller like Reid just decide that scoring points and gaining yards isn’t important?

[CountDorkula]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

Hmmm...so why on earth would a brilliant play caller like Reid just decide that scoring points and gaining yards isn’t important?

Because they were running the ball in the first half for 10 Yards a carry?

 

They gained nearly 500 yards of offense. Stop acting like we shut the team down. 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by CountDorkula

[thebandit27]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

Because they were running the ball in the first half for 10 Yards a carry?

 

 

 

And why did that happen? Hint: listen to Mahomes postgame interview 

[Captain Caveman]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Last night's offensive struggles were not all on Josh. He didn't play great, he missed some chances early and then started pressing but he didn't get much assistance either. It was the worst pass blocking day our line has had, our running backs are slow and apart from Diggs there were not many guys getting open.

 

Yeah, I don't think he played great, but I agree it's not all on him.  But I do think we're not beating out the Chiefs without a better game from him and the whole offense.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Captain Caveman said:

 

Yeah, I don't think he played great, but I agree it's not all on him.  But I do think we're not beating out the Chiefs without a better game from him and the whole offense.

 

Agreed.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Captain Caveman said:

We gave up 26 points to the Chiefs.  The only team to give up fewer this year has been the Chargers (who gave up 23 and lost) - the Patriots also allowed 26 (and lost by more than we did.) 

 

Going into this game I thought our recipe for winning against the Chiefs would be holding them to under 30 and scoring more than that.  Were you all really anticipating holding them to much less?

 

The Chargers held them to 23 points and lost

NE 26 points and lost

 

I wasn't expecting us to hold them to much less, but the situation football sucked.  There were places where we needed to set the edge and contain, where we had 3rd and long and we needed to hold, and we didn't.

[Haslett_Stomp]

I miss the "Daboll is a hot candidate for head coach" threads.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

Yeah, I don't think he played great, but I agree it's not all on him.  But I do think we're not beating out the Chiefs without a better game from him and the whole offense.

 

Absolutely.  The offense did NOT do enough, and some but not all of that is on Josh.  I actually thought he showed a lot of poise - it seemed like there were red jerseys in his face all night and for a lot of it he was "I don't care"

 

It was sucky weather for passing and especially early on, Josh had some chances we could not capitalize on.  His ball placement sucked early on, for whatever reason.  I wonder if "fear of turnovers" was partly on his head and he was erring too far on the side of caution.

 

In the end though, the game came down to "they had a running game, we didn't; they had a run D, we didn't"

 

And oh yeah, much much better game for our ST but that makeable FG at the end of the half would absolutely have helped.

[Captain Caveman]

28 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

The offense had 9 possessions to score more than 26 points.

 

Punt on 3 of those of those which is roughly average. 

6 Possessions to score more than 26

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we pick up a few more first downs and help the defense out a bit more it's possible we only need to score 20 or 23 points.

[Wayne Cubed]

I said this after the game last night and I'll say it again, it wasn't a bad game plan by the Bills defense. They "forced" or dared the Chiefs to run. They took the ball out of Mahomes hands. Why does it matter how many yards per carry they were averaging? Did it hurt the Bills on the scoreboard? Did they run soooooooo much that the game was out of reach? No of course they didn't. It was very nearly a tie ball at the half and it was a 1 score game in the 4th quarter. 

 

Let me ask this, if the game plan was different and the Bills bottled up the Chiefs and they couldn't run the ball so were forced to pass... what difference do you think that would have made to the scoreboard?

[CountDorkula]

1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I said this after the game last night and I'll say it again, it wasn't a bad game plan by the Bills defense. They "forced" or dared the Chiefs to run. They took the ball out of Mahomes hands. Why does it matter how many yards per carry they were averaging? Did it hurt the Bills on the scoreboard? Did they run soooooooo much that the game was out of reach? No of course they didn't. It was very nearly a tie ball at the half and it was a 1 score game in the 4th quarter. 

 

Let me ask this, if the game plan was different and the Bills bottled up the Chiefs and they couldn't run the ball so were forced to pass... what difference do you think that would have made to the scoreboard?

 

Mahomes missed a Wide open Kelce, who would have walked 40 yards for a TD last night.

KC Could have doen whatever they wanted. The Bills defense had zero response to Mahomes and KC.

 

Gamplan was garbage, execution was garbage.

 

[Buff76ers]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

The only reason we held them to a relatively low point total was our attempt at ball control offense (we had one long drive), and the fact Andy Reid decided to run the ball all night. We never really stopped them, and I think they could have thrown the ball all over the yard if they wanted. 

Playing coverage all night is the reason why the ran so well.  You must pick your poison and if we would have stacked the box and limited their running then PM would have had big numbers in the pass game.  Overall it was the right thing to do but dang we need a plug in the middle to help with run D.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

 

Mahomes missed a Wide open Kelce, who would have walked 40 yards for a TD last night.

KC Could have doen whatever they wanted. The Bills defense had zero response to Mahomes and KC.

 

Gamplan was garbage, execution was garbage.

 

I sort of agree. In those conditions, playing scared on d is foolish. They essentially played the same defense that titans played vs bills, except KC can run the ball. 
 

In that weather play up and if you get torched deep then back off. 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

 

Mahomes missed a Wide open Kelce, who would have walked 40 yards for a TD last night.

KC Could have doen whatever they wanted. The Bills defense had zero response to Mahomes and KC.

 

Gamplan was garbage, execution was garbage.

 

 

But they didn't, they didn't do what they wanted. And Mahomes didn't complete the pass. You are talking in what ifs... I'm talking in what played out. They decided to put the ball into their RBs hands and what did that get them? The Bills literally played cover, had lite numbers in the box and told the Chiefs to go ahead a run. Why? Because it's the lesser of two evils. Do you really think the Bills defense was going to completely stop the Chiefs? Is that what you expected? The Balimore Ravens defense, which is miles better, couldn't stop the Chiefs. 

 

 

[CountDorkula]

Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

 

But they didn't, they didn't do what they wanted. And Mahomes didn't complete the pass. You are talking in what ifs... I'm talking in what played out. They decided to put the ball into their RBs hands and what did that get them? The Bills literally played cover, had lite numbers in the box and told the Chiefs to go ahead a run. Why? Because it's the lesser of two evils. Do you really think the Bills defense was going to completely stop the Chiefs? Is that what you expected? The Balimore Ravens defense, which is miles better, couldn't stop the Chiefs. 

 

 

They moist certainly did. mahomes 5 incompletions

Ran that ball with whatever RB they wanted.

When Mahomes didnt pass he scrmabled for 6 yards a carry.

 

Also everyone on here is talking about the What Ifs with buffalo. If we made one more stop if we made that FG.

You cant do that with buffalo and just ignore the KC side of it. 

 

[Wayne Cubed]

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

They moist certainly did. mahomes 5 incompletions

Ran that ball with whatever RB they wanted.

When Mahomes didnt pass he scrmabled for 6 yards a carry.

 

Also everyone on here is talking about the What Ifs with buffalo. If we made one more stop if we made that FG.

You cant do that with buffalo and just ignore the KC side of it. 

 

 

Mahomes threw it less than his 2020 average. I don't care about his completion percentage, that's not what his is about.  He threw less passes, that's what it's about. Do you think if he threw his average amount of times per game, that the Chiefs still would have only scored 26 points? Is that what you think?

Edited October 20, 2020 by Wayne Cubed

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I sort of agree. In those conditions, playing scared on d is foolish. They essentially played the same defense that titans played vs bills, except KC can run the ball. 
 

In that weather play up and if you get torched deep then back off. 

 

Um, no, @Over 29 years of fanhood.   No, the Bills did not play the same defense against the Titans and the Chiefs.

 

The Titans can by damn run the ball.  263 rush yards against the Texans.  What we did against the Titans is we said "we're going to limit your run game, beat us passing if you can".  The Titans said "OK"

 

What we did against the Chiefs is said "we're going to play first to take away your deep passing game, your quick strike passing.  Beat us running and with underneath stuff if you can."  The Chiefs said "OK, and while we're at it, we'll just grind out yards, convert 3rd downs, and keep the ball away from your offense"

 

[Realist]

Can blame the offense all you want, they did play bad, but I feel if the defense made just a couple of stops on third down in the second half, the Bills would have scored and possibly pulled this one out.