a few thoughts about the Chiefs game, in no particular order

[Bob in STL]

Benching Phillips and Murphy was ridiculous.  Especially with Milano out.  

[DrPJax]

These two weeks and the four prior are about coaching. First month we dictated all offensive play with good gsme plans and execution. Then we play two legit contenders with good coaching and instead of sticking with what we are , we change coaching, game plans offensively,  to react to them instead of playing like we had. The d also goes to deep drops, Lbs 8 yards off LOS, with no pressure , no spy’s on mobile qbs. No adjustments at half.  Still no offensive plans in third quarter to allow us to score (. Maybe no huddle?)

 Finally late , down  two possessions we speed up tempo , score but cow has left the barn. We all knew we wouldn’t get the ball back before they were up by 9 or more. No adjustment by Frazier/ Mcd  

REID DICTATED THE GAME.    Never felt we were in it and announcers pointed it out.   Mcd is looking like a 500 coach , he has NO playoff wins ( one was a bad blown lead) , NO win against the PATS.  SO FAR, , NO wins against AFC contenders.  ( raiders would beat us right now ) as Mcds schemes on d have been figured and countered. This is becoming a hard to deny pattern. Mcd goes conservative in bigger games and heis always out coached. Just the facts.  A win against the Jets won’t fix this.  Concerning history is developing. Hard to fully embrace our early success. imho. 

[Figster]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

I agree.

 

 The Bills offense actually did better than the 5-1 Ravens against that Chiefs defense. The Bills defense couldn't stop the Chiefs run game 46 attempts, 245 yards rushing. 

 

The Buffalo Bills biggest problem was the defense. Time of Possession 37:45 Chiefs-22:15 Bills

Andy Reid did what every team in the league tries to do to his football team. Control the clock with a good run game and keep the other teams O off the field.

 

My hats off to the Chiefs HC...

  

[jkeerie]

25 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I'm worried because it's two weeks in a row where you could tell from the first time, he was mentally just off.  The result carried through the entire game.  Something is missing

He has not been right since he got dinged in the Raiders game.  A couple times tonight when he went down and braced his fall with his left arm I thought I saw him wince.

[Freddie's Dead]

Justin Zimmer was also a positive.  He just Wally Pipp'ed His Horribleness.  Zimmer gets the start next week and Harry stays on the bench.

 

I'm also the biggest Bodork hater here.  But I have to give him a chapeau for directional punting which stopped the Chefs return game in its tracks.  I hope he keeps it up.  I need lots more of that to forget the unilateral fake FG....

[Saxum]

23 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Is there any coincidence that we went 4-0 against garbage teams and then lost to two good ones? No? 

 

Time for SDS to put the hack in for your name.  This time replace garbage with you name.

8 minutes ago, The Old Man said:

I don't know where to post a reply anymore. Almost every thread that I check out is being closed no sooner than it opens by the moderators. It's very annoying. I'm sure I will get spanked for this post as soon as it goes up and probably be removed from participating in this forum. And that's OK with me since the moderators are idiots who continue to squelch many conversations posted in this forum. And for that reason this forum and it's moderators suck.

 

Senility came early for you right or is it so bad you cannot remember when?

 

The KC DBs were grabbing all game and only got caught on a few.

The Bills need to be taught how to hit opponents legally and use zebras as chaff getting opposing players to run into them.

[Figster]

On a side note Josh Allen runs out of bounds and gets help from a chiefs player to avoid getting injured. On the other end of the spectrum Poyers, dirty, selfish out of bounds penalty may have cost Buffalo the game for all we know.

 

Where is this kind of boneheaded play coming from?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

47 minutes ago, Virgil said:

5 - Frazier - Regardless of total yards, you have to give the defense the credit for keeping it a 3 point game at halftime.  Yards mean nothing if they don't translate to points.  If the defense makes a single 3rd down stop on the last drive, the Bills offense gets the ball back with a chance to win it.  However, against a team like the Chiefs where you know you have to get the off the field eventually, you can't afford so many 3rd down broken coverages.  I also understand wanting to keep 3 deep coverage against this offense, but you also need to have more than 4 defensive lineman in the box, a lesson never learned.  Tre White deserves a big F to me in this game as he blew coverage on the Kelce TD and the backbreaking 3rd down play in the 4th that put the Chiefs in FG range.  The absolute disregard for containing Mahomes on scrambles is also inexcusable.  Sometimes he had the right plays called, but then you had.....

 

6 - Tackling - Say what you want about field conditions, but the Chiefs didn't seem to have anywhere near the issues tackling that we did.  There were multiple missed tackles that led to first downs, plays we had stopped in the backfield, sacks, and even a touchdown that all could have been executed to a halt if the tackling was there.  This has been a growing theme for us and it a major concern.  Tackling is going to be a huge issue for us against teams like the Patriots and Broncos who run hard.  And not only aren't we tackling, we aren't stopping guys momentum.  How often do you see our defensive players riding the back of the opposing team as they get extra yards?

 

7 - Defensive Line - I get McD wanting to send a message by benching Murphy and Phillips.  Unfortunately, plan B wasn't much better.  I can't remember ever seeing a defensive line get so manhandled as I saw tonight.  The Chiefs pick who they were going to double each rush, but left the other 3 guys in single coverage.  I watched Oliver in particular on multiple plays to watch him get absolutely manhandled in single blocks, or be behind the play.  The most egregious error, which I hope to be proven wrong by the All-22, but Oliver looked to give up on pursuing Mahomes on one of his scrambles.  Either way, in a game where Frazier relied on his guys to win the 1 on 1, that didn't happen and he made zero adjustments from it.

 

9 - Soft Middle Zone Coverage - Like a certain player I said I wouldn't mention again this season, I think I'm done talking about the Bills complete inability to cover 5-15 yards up the middle of the field with their zone.  Of all people to not cover, Kelce was left alone a few times with guys short yards away.  It just makes no sense to me and I don't know why opposing offenses don't just work their way down field with those short passes and zone runs.  We've show zero ability to stop either.

 

In some ways, defensively this game reminded me of the Chargers game where we pulled Tyrod Taylor and started Nate Peterman.  No, "hear me out." 

 

Not just benching, healthy scratching two DL starters who've been getting ~50% snaps in favor of two practice squad players you just activated is actually "Bench Tyrod, Start Peterman" radical.   

 

I'll admit it, it's hard for me to figure out who is on the field each play from the televised game.   But either way - if he canned the rotation and guys were getting gassed, or if he played the two PS guys a lot.  It's radical.

 

I can kind of understand it.  Zimmer made his presence felt at times.  But our run D just blew chunks.  245 yds rushing.  And one does wonder if the personnel changes had something to do with that.

 

Anyway, this appears to be a defense in Meltdown Mode.  The next few weeks will really show who Frazier and McDermott are as coaches.

 

 

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Figster said:

On a side note Josh Allen runs out of bounds and gets help from a chiefs player to avoid getting injured. On the other end of the spectrum Poyers, dirty, selfish out of bounds penalty may have cost Buffalo the game for all we know.

 

Where is this kind of boneheaded play coming from?

Frustration over terrible playcalls and game planning.

[stevestojan]

4 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Time for SDS to put the hack in for your name.  This time replace garbage with you name.

 

Senility came early for you right or is it so bad you cannot remember when?

 

The KC DBs were grabbing all game and only got caught on a few.

The Bills need to be taught how to hit opponents legally and use zebras as chaff getting opposing players to run into them.

far better than the last time! 

 

but in all seriousness, you show me this schedule and tell me we’ll be 4-2 heading to a Jets game? I’m happy. 

[ganesh]

40 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Less swagger and more consistency is what I want from Allen.

 

He has looked terrible 2 games in a row now, after 4 of him looking the MVP.

So which player is he?  Has he progressed?  Regressed?  Who is he?

 

Will he ever reach a reliable, consistent level of performance?  When?

 

 

 

 

The Polarising QB..

[thebandit27]

27 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

It was 2nd down. He could've at least given some effort on that play. He looked like he was ready to get home. Not much of a "dog" there. 

Yeah ok. Josh Allen looked ready to go home after he ran through a defender one play earlier...sounds reasonable.

 

Or not.

 

27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

But don't you worry that two weeks in a row it has taken until the 4th quarter to play at that level? If he played that way all year we'd be 1-5. Can't wait for 4th quarter Josh Allen to show up against the Chiefs. I hate that the defense couldnt make one last stop to get him the ball but I'm also not going to rely on that every week.

The slow start is definitely an issue, don’t get me wrong. The big indicator will be how well he’s able to adjust to seeing more zone coverage...we shall see.

[Roundybout]

25 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Benching Phillips and Murphy was ridiculous.  Especially with Milano out.  

 

No it wasn't. Murphy is too old and Phillips is either coming off his acl injury still or is just bad. 

[stevewin]

36 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I'm worried because it's two weeks in a row where you could tell from the first time, he was mentally just off.  The result carried through the entire game.  Something is missing

Yeah - last week figured it could be related to the crazy Covid week, but it continued this week too.  Wondering if nerves/emotion related to prime time has something to do with it.

 

Diggs and Brown both seemed off from the start.  Multiple times we had receivers crying to refs it seemed even before the ball hit the ground.  They were getting manhandled but regardless, go after the ball and try to make the play,in case the flag is not thrown (when can you ever count on an NFL official to actually make the right call).

 

The defense was so far off it was almost absurd  There were times it seemed there were multiple players (literally) spinning around with no idea even where the play was.  Andthe D as a unit seems soooooo slooooow - everyone seems to run in slow motion in pursuit (use the term loosely) of the play.   When was the last time you watched the D and felt players were "flying around" - there is none of that - lierally at times it seems there are players walking around - during a play.  It's crazy

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

52 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Less swagger and more consistency is what I want from Allen.

 

He has looked terrible 2 games in a row now, after 4 of him looking the MVP.

So which player is he?  Has he progressed?  Regressed?  Who is he?

 

Will he ever reach a reliable, consistent level of performance?  When?

 

 

 

 

 

Are you gonna hit up every post with the same comment?

[ALLEN1QB]

What about the 2 penalties for unsportsmanlike out of bounds? Absolutely rediculis and a direct reflection of coaching!

[Nitro]

Frazier's game plans concern me.  His coverage calls left Kelce open on several occasions.  Mahomes is like most QBs.  He has favorite targets.  Robinson and Kelce are his.  Playing them with soft coverage burned the Bills.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Next week doesn't count. They play the Jets.

 

It may count more than you think if we play like we did tonight.

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

This is the first week I'm going to list these thoughts in a particular order.  I'm going to start with the good and then get to the bad.  Win or lose, there's always some positives, so let's do that...

 

1 - Bojo - Kid had some great punts today in both positioning and power.  He really flipped the field today and did everything he could to give the Chiefs bad field position.  He's taken some grief for his laces out hold last week, but he's definitely come a long way since last season to be a reliable part of the team.  I'm not going to talk about the Bass miss before halftime, even though it wasn't even close, as those misses are going to happen with a rookie kicker in these conditions, and that's what McD signed up for.  And that's the end of the positive list...

 

2 - Allen - I'm not going to talk about his stats, his missed throw to Diggs in the end zone, or his overall inaccuracy at times.  I'm just going to talk about the key things that makes Allen who he is, and that's his swagger.  For the past two weeks, Allen hasn't had that look in his eyes, that kid-like excitement, and that overall confidence that made you believe he could score from anywhere on the field.  I don't know if he just doesn't know what to do against these defenses, but I don't believe he's seen anything dramatically new these past few weeks.  Whatever it is, Allen has taken a step back these two weeks and hopefully it's not a sign of things to come.  This is the most concerning thought to me as this is something I didn't think would ever go away.  Right now, the MVP talk has to stop and figure out if this is the first 2 games is a sign of things to come, and hope we see Josh of old next week against the Jets.

 

3 - Daboll - Players have to execute, and I'll get to that in a minute.  Against the Rams and the Chiefs, we've seen first hand what misdirection runs can do for an offense.  Daboll seemed to finally understand this in the 2nd quarter as we ran quite a few misdirection/zone runs and found success.  It created decent length runs and kept our defense off the field.  Once halftime came though, we just abandoned it again and went back to runs up the middle to little or no gain.  I hate being a couch coach saying what's obvious to me, but this has been an issue all season to which we are not adjusting.

 

4 - Look into any eyes you find by you, you can see clear to another day,

Maybe been seen before, through other eyes on other days while going home.

What do you want me to do, to do for you to see you through?

It's all a dream we dreamed one afternoon, long ago.

 

5 - Frazier - Regardless of total yards, you have to give the defense the credit for keeping it a 3 point game at halftime.  Yards mean nothing if they don't translate to points.  If the defense makes a single 3rd down stop on the last drive, the Bills offense gets the ball back with a chance to win it.  However, against a team like the Chiefs where you know you have to get the off the field eventually, you can't afford so many 3rd down broken coverages.  I also understand wanting to keep 3 deep coverage against this offense, but you also need to have more than 4 defensive lineman in the box, a lesson never learned.  Tre White deserves a big F to me in this game as he blew coverage on the Kelce TD and the backbreaking 3rd down play in the 4th that put the Chiefs in FG range.  The absolute disregard for containing Mahomes on scrambles is also inexcusable.  Sometimes he had the right plays called, but then you had.....

 

6 - Tackling - Say what you want about field conditions, but the Chiefs didn't seem to have anywhere near the issues tackling that we did.  There were multiple missed tackles that led to first downs, plays we had stopped in the backfield, sacks, and even a touchdown that all could have been executed to a halt if the tackling was there.  This has been a growing theme for us and it a major concern.  Tackling is going to be a huge issue for us against teams like the Patriots and Broncos who run hard.  And not only aren't we tackling, we aren't stopping guys momentum.  How often do you see our defensive players riding the back of the opposing team as they get extra yards?

 

7 - Defensive Line - I get McD wanting to send a message by benching Murphy and Phillips.  Unfortunately, plan B wasn't much better.  I can't remember ever seeing a defensive line get so manhandled as I saw tonight.  The Chiefs pick who they were going to double each rush, but left the other 3 guys in single coverage.  I watched Oliver in particular on multiple plays to watch him get absolutely manhandled in single blocks, or be behind the play.  The most egregious error, which I hope to be proven wrong by the All-22, but Oliver looked to give up on pursuing Mahomes on one of his scrambles.  Either way, in a game where Frazier relied on his guys to win the 1 on 1, that didn't happen and he made zero adjustments from it.

 

8 - Offensive Line - Our offensive line reminds me of the Madden game.  We have high pass block ratings and non-existent run block ratings.  While Daboll isn't helping them with his bland run scheme, these guys are consistently unable to get any push and win their 1 on 1 match ups.  To see the Chiefs do it on the offense just made our offense so much worse.  Again, this is a combined effort between Daboll and the line, but neither get a pass by blaming the other.

 

9 - Soft Middle Zone Coverage - Like a certain player I said I wouldn't mention again this season, I think I'm done talking about the Bills complete inability to cover 5-15 yards up the middle of the field with their zone.  Of all people to not cover, Kelce was left alone a few times with guys short yards away.  It just makes no sense to me and I don't know why opposing offenses don't just work their way down field with those short passes and zone runs.  We've show zero ability to stop either. 

 

10 - McD - Two teams walked onto the field with what appeared to be similar game plans for tonight.  I'd argue that both teams match up well with rosters, but one team just punched the other in the mouth in the trenches.  Allen didn't have it for the 2nd week in a row.  Multiple personal fouls after the play was over.  Two nationalized televised games where we ***** the bed.  Like last week, both teams had to deal with adjusted scheduled, weather, or whatever circumstance you want to use as an excuse, and both weeks we came out flat. The only thing we learned this week was that the Titans game wasn't a fluke and we have a serious problem.  This schedule doesn't get much easier besides the Jets and our offense is taking a step back.  McD was being talked about for Coach of the Year and now he has to earn it.  4-2 isn't a bad start to the season and 5-2 is a very real probability.  But we've also been there before with a 5-2 start that falls apart.  This season could easily turn into one of those scenarios of McD doesn't figure things out with his Quarterback, player execution, and schemes

 

Go Bills!

You can look into Josh’s eyes during the game, and analyze them? Damn I need to get your tv

[chaccof]

56 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I'm worried because it's two weeks in a row where you could tell from the first time, he was mentally just off.  The result carried through the entire game.  Something is missing

Me too but I think he looked almost lost or confused the last two games.  Couldn't be a better week to get the Jets....hopefully that will bring the confidence back.