What would you like to see be done here?

[SDS]

1 minute ago, KD in CA said:

Solid summary.   Regarding the shoutbox ugliness referred to, I have seen more moderation based on personal opinions than recall in the past.  Will leave it at that.  Maybe not directly on this forum, but overall observation.

 

Accurate.  Want to start fixing this forum?  Ban the trolls listed in the first paragraph.  Somehow this place lasted for 20 years before everything went off the rails a few months ago.  Sooo....what changed?  It worked for so long because the established posters (on both sides of the political aisle) didn't tolerate idiots who started ten different "xxx = HITLER!!" threads.   But now that's the accepted norm.  Oh well.

 

1. But that moderation occurred in a football forum and it happened over and over again.

 

2. It is the sign of the times. Every platform is dealing with this. I would ask for patience on the accepted norm part. 👍

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

Do you think I could find something as offensive as that from someone else? If I looked up socialism/Russia/communism/etc... I wouldn't find hyperbole?

 

Regardless, my point is - no one has been going through imposing their biases on others. I was hoping we could agree on that.

  Sure, there is name calling without context in the body of a thread.  But to begin a thread that way............................  All that aside, you asked and I gave an explanation.  It still boils down to do you want to keep PPP going and what are you willing to do about it.  

[Reality Check]

 

[Warcodered]

So I'm guessing with clubs open/closed means if anyone or only members can post. And I'm guessing to become a member you have to be invited/approved. But once you are is it possible to be kicked out? Just wondering because if one of these gets created seems like it'd be necessary if it's going to be closed for them to be able to screen members so more people can join.

[shrader]

30 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

The moderation here has almost been non-existent., so it certainly wasn't biased. DR had 55k posts in here. C'mon, man.

 

I am not aware of a single person whose viewpoint was suppressed. I personally acted on member v. member events. Any other suggestion isn't true. 

Are you able to see a breakdown of people’s post by location? I’ve seen you make this “55k” claim a couple times and now have seen someone else run with it. Rhino’s post were not exclusively in this forum. I don’t touch the Q stuff here and I’ve had several interactions with him over the years, usually in movie related threads. Now it’s possible I am remembering some interactions with his old name, but even a quick look at his profile shows posts all over the place. Im sure the ratio probably does lean heavily towards PPP, but this one has been bugging me when I’ve seen it. 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, snafu said:

 

I get that. I also think this boil will lance itself once the election is over.

 

 

But first it'll probably explode.

[SDS]

2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Sure, there is name calling without context in the body of a thread.  But to begin a thread that way............................  All that aside, you asked and I gave an explanation.  It still boils down to do you want to keep PPP going and what are you willing to do about it.  

 

I think it is garbage. I told him that in the topic. Sincerely, do I ban people who make posts like that because if we go down that road, 75% of people are gone. Including me. Usually the only way that actually works is in a homogeneous environment.

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So I'm guessing with clubs open/closed means if anyone or only members can post. And I'm guessing to become a member you have to be invited/approved. But once you are is it possible to be kicked out? Just wondering because if one of these gets created seems like it'd be necessary if it's going to be closed for them to be able to screen members so more people can join.

  The existing clubs listed off to the side are by invitation only.

[DFT]

42 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

The moderation here has almost been non-existent., so it certainly wasn't biased. DR had 55k posts in here. C'mon, man.

 

I am not aware of a single person whose viewpoint was suppressed. I personally acted on member v. member events. Any other suggestion isn't true. 

I’m sorry that’s what you took that statement to mean.  I’m also sorry that’s the only piece of my post that garnered a response.  Unfortunate.  I really debated responding, but honestly wanted to help any way that I could.  I thought that was the intent, but I don’t think that now.  The sentence you referenced referred to this paragraph (below...).  Again, my opinion is just that, but my response to your request was sincere and polite.  I would think that would be respected from a poster in a forum the mods on the shout box referred to as a “conservative hell hole”.  I hope that alone helps you to see why some people would feel there was a bias against their beliefs when those kind of statements are made publicly.  A moderation team can be almost non-existent.  But if said moderator team expresses themselves as I’ve shared, when they do show up (and let’s be honest, they have) even if it’s once, their actions will always be weighed against their comments.  That was the standard for mods we set at BBMB.  Again, I’m moving on for the better of both parties, so no need to further consider my voice.  But maybe go back and re-read my original message and see how the same pre-conceived notion you say doesn’t exist (we’re human, we all have it) led you to think I ever accused you or your team of thought suppression (your words).  

 

 

What’s worse, is the conversations that were allowed to transpire after he could no longer defend himself, both publicly on the forum and ESPECIALLY in the shout box.  It’s very unfortunate.  I don’t fault any one person, but I do suggest a non-partial moderator for this forum (and unfortunately based on my observations, that does not currently exist with all due and sincere respect).  I’ve seen some ugliness on the shoutbox from two of your mods (regarding faith and politics) that in my opinion rivals anything I’ve found offensive on PPP.  It was disappointing for me to read and I believe honestly that Mods should be held to an impartial standard where they’re not censored, but are expected to hold back the extreme sides of their viewpoints.

Edited October 16, 2020 by DFT

[SDS]

4 minutes ago, shrader said:

Are you able to see a breakdown of people’s post by location? I’ve seen you make this “55k” claim a couple times and now have seen someone else run with it. Rhino’s post were not exclusively in this forum. I don’t touch the Q stuff here and I’ve had several interactions with him over the years, usually in movie related threads. Now it’s possible I am remembering some interactions with his old name, but even a quick look at his profile shows posts all over the place. Im sure the ratio probably does lean heavily towards PPP, but this one has been bugging me when I’ve seen it. 

 

That's a fair question. I don't recall a heavy or even a balanced presence anywhere else. It's like 25 pieces of content everyday for 6.5 years.

4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The existing clubs listed off to the side are by invitation only.

 

Open/closed/hybrid is a choice of the owner.

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The existing clubs listed off to the side are by invitation only.

I checked the MLB and the Tailgate ones and you can reply and post topics on there, I'm assuming those ones are open.

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

I think it is garbage. I told him that in the topic. Sincerely, do I ban people who make posts like that because if we go down that road, 75% of people are gone. Including me. Usually the only way that actually works is in a homogeneous environment.

  A one or two week suspension would work well versus a ban.  I think that certain words are safe in implementing a suspension.  Calling someone a tard such as Q Baby has done should be suspendible without question.  The word tard or re-tard has no place here.  Keep branching out from there as needed.  Citing Hitler without rational context should be another easy suspension.  

[shoshin]

38 minutes ago, LB3 said:

Keep crying. I literally looked at your posting history for 10 minutes. Like you did with DR. "Deeper life." 🤣

 

I'll now comment on your deeper life. I bet you have a fainting couch.

 

I never looked at DR's 55000 post history for 2 minutes. I just read him on here like anyone because he posted 15% of the content. He was unavoidable. 

 

And you looking through my post history for 10 minutes is definitely stalker style. 

[LB3]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

I never looked at DR's 55000 post history for 2 minutes. I just read him on here like anyone because he posted 15% of the content. He was unavoidable. 

 

And you looking through my post history for 10 minutes is definitely stalker style. 

🤣 Ok, Karen.

[shoshin]

14 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

That's a fair question. I don't recall a heavy or even a balanced presence anywhere else. It's like 25 pieces of content everyday for 6.5 years.

 

 

He was active in the UFO thread. 

[SDS]

5 minutes ago, DFT said:

I’m sorry that’s what you took that statement to mean.  I’m also sorry that’s the only piece of my post that garnered a response.  Unfortunate.  I really debated responding, but honestly wanted to help any way that I could.  I thought that was the intent, but I don’t think that now.  The sentence you referenced referred to this paragraph (below...).  Again, my opinion is just that, but my response to your request was sincere and polite.  I would think that would be respected from a poster in a forum the mods on the shout box referred to as a “conservative hell hole”.  I hope that alone helps you to see why some people would feel there was a bias against their beliefs when those kind of statements are made publicly.  A moderation team can be almost non-existent.  But if said moderator team expresses themselves as I’ve shared, when they do show up (and let’s be honest, they have) even if it’s once, their actions will always be weighed against their comments.  That was the standard for mods we set at BBMB.  Again, I’m moving on for the better of both parties, so no need to further consider my voice.  But maybe go back and re-read my original message and see how the same pre-conceived notion you say doesn’t exist (we’re human, we all have it) led you to think I ever accused you or your team of thought suppression (your words).  

 

 

What’s worse, is the conversations that were allowed to transpire after he could no longer defend himself, both publicly on the forum and ESPECIALLY in the shout box.  It’s very unfortunate.  I don’t fault any one person, but I do suggest a non-partial moderator for this forum (and unfortunately based on my observations, that does not currently exist with all due and sincere respect).  I’ve seen some ugliness on the shoutbox from two of your mods (regarding faith and politics) that in my opinion rivals anything I’ve found offensive on PPP.  It was disappointing for me to read and I believe honestly that Mods should be held to an impartial standard where they’re not censored, but are expected to hold back the extreme sides of their viewpoints.

 

1st of all, I appreciate your entire response, even if I chose to quote only a part of it. I read all of it. Thank you. You may feel like I misrepresented your statement, but I was simply replying to the implication that a non-partial moderator would act on situations differently. I don't think that is the case and that was the crux of my response.

 

Whether you are left/right, I think many people have a blind spot for their own side's hyperbole and ugliness. You may have taken offense at someone calling PPP a conservative hell hole, but I have heard countless people revel in that reputation. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may feel that way and others may feel damn straight.

 

Thanks again for taking the time. 👍

 

[LB3]

8 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

I never looked at DR's 55000 post history for 2 minutes. I just read him on here like anyone because he posted 15% of the content. He was unavoidable. 

 

And you looking through my post history for 10 minutes is definitely stalker style. 

 

Just now, shoshin said:

 

He was active in the UFO thread. 

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, LB3 said:

 

 

I also found it funny that's the one place I have seen him outside PPP!

[LB3]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

I also found it funny that's the one place I have seen him outside PPP!

Yet you don't look for him, psycho! 🤣

[SDS]

8 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

He was active in the UFO thread. 

 

That is the only place that sticks in my memory. An off topic post.