McD figured out the old saying "The Best Defense is a Good Offense"

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Obviously I saw different.  You & PFF saw the same thing.

 

I saw dropped balls, receivers seldom making a contested or difficult catch, undersized receivers, bad play calling putting Allen in difficult situations.....  

 

Read my 100+ posts thinking Allen would flourish with good coaching & playcalling.  Yep through four weeks in 2020, I am RIGHT!!!!!!

 

No. On the talent we saw the same. On the playcalling you are wrong and were wrong.

[Bray Wyatt]

9 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

You are thinking last years defense in which the Bills were 4th in passing yards allowed, 2nd in TDs allowed. The 2020 Bills defense so far is no where near as good as last season.

 

The 2020 Buffalo Bills are currently 17th in points allowed, 20th in yards allowed and an unbelievable 27th in passing yards allowed. 19th in yards allowed per pass attempt. 

 

Buffalo has been very lucky this season as Josh Allen is tearing it up! A lot on his own too. Think that Rams comeback on 3rd and 22.

 

Besides, the Bills will need that power run game come winter in the wind, blowing snow...home playoff games would be great.

Remember that 2017 Dec 10th game game against the Colts where neither team had 100 yards passing for the game? It was shady McCoy with 32 rushes for 156 yards and 1 TD that won that OT game. 

 

Just saying, that the Bills need to work that power run game more often this season. After all Singletary is averaging 4.3 yards per rush attempt and that could be higher with more touches. 

 

While that may be the stats so far in these 4 games, I am going over the larger sample size of McD's tenure here. I dont think much people have a problem saying our secondary is the strength of this team.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Marty's teams were NOT usually the most talented teams.

 

Player by players they were generally considerably less talented, but Marty got so much out of them that he could coach rosters that had no business being there into the playoffs. He had a lot of mediocre QBs through the years to work with and that didn't encourage him to open up the offense. The time he did have good personnel was that young Chargers team, and they lost to the Pats in the playoffs. Remember that awful play, the interception in the 4th quarter by SanDiego and the defender then fumbled during the runback and the Pats then continued the drive and scored a TD? Jeez. That was a very good Pats team, though they were outscored by the Colts in the Conference championship that year.

 

What you saw again and again with Marty is that he'd inherit a team that wasn't good, with few wins, immediately start winning more, and when he'd leave the next year the team would immediately regress.

 

Marty is undervalued.

 

And yeah, Cowher underachieved in the playoffs. Remind me how he did when they were able to draft Roethlisberger? A little better than when he was forced to use that endless stream of guys like Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Charlie Batch, Jim Miller, Bubby Brister, Kent Graham, Mike Tomczak and Tommy Maddox.

 

The problem for those guys wasn't so much conservative play as it was bad quarterbacking and in Schotty's case, lesser talent on the roster.

 

 

Unfortunately for Marty he is the patron saint of upset losses against the spread in the playoffs.

 

Vegas has a line stat that ranks Marty as the all-time underachieving coach in the post season with 4.3 wins below expectation. 

 

And he was 0-8 in 3 point games in the playoffs..........which the "modern equivalent" would now be 1 score games...........in which McDermott now finds himself 0-1.

 

That 0-8 is amazing and probably impossible to do without some bad luck.

 

I agree that it really mostly came down to being out-quarterbacked........10 of his 13 playoff losses were to future HOF QB's.

 

But he did very often have the more talented team overall..........he was very good at working in conjunction with his GM's to accumulate talent.

 

He had excellent personnel in Cleveland, KC and San Diego.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I can't grasp what this opinion is based on. It violently contradicts what I saw with my eyes.

 

I don't even think it is that many. In the last decade there has been Indianapolis and there was the game vs the Jets that got moved because of snow to Detroit but was played in perfect conditions in the end..... maybe I am missing one other?

 

I am referencing any type of snow...like just flurries.  Those two you mentioned as far as were barely playable snow games.

The other real bad weather game was the Giants game where the rain was coming down hard (giggity) with a mixture of frozen rain.  We were up 14-0 early and stopped scoring.  A Giants player ran so fast that his decal came off his helmet.

[Royale with Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Obviously I saw different.  You & PFF saw the same thing.

 

I saw dropped balls, receivers seldom making a contested or difficult catch, undersized receivers, bad play calling putting Allen in difficult situations.....  

 

Read my 100+ posts thinking Allen would flourish with good coaching & playcalling.  Yep through four weeks in 2020, I am RIGHT!!!!!!

 

You are the biggest surface level thinker I've ever had the pleasure of reading.  

 

OMG, you said a QB would flourish with good coaching and playcalling.  What a revelation!  Is that a little secret only you know?

Same coaching staff by the way....

You equate execution 100% on coaching which is odd.

[oldmanfan]

On 10/8/2020 at 7:20 AM, Billsfan1972 said:

Took a while, and yep turning the corner on him and like many here trying to temper my excitement.

 

Outside Oldmanfan and a few others, I'm wondering who else misses those 17-13 games and the offense going into "Prevent Offense" after halftime?

 

It was that Pittsburgh game and Duck Hodges that really exasperated me last year, and hope those days are behind the Bills.

People who have actively rooted for the Bills to lose as you did all last year should not be allowed to post in this forum.

[BringBackFlutie]

21 hours ago, teef said:

i think we're all just shocked that you don't understand why this didn't happen sooner.  you seem to think 100% of it is on coaching.  many of us don't feel that way. 

 

There's no way this dude isn't playing all of us. 

[GreggTX]

That sentence starts with the word "Sometimes" because it's not always true.

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You are the biggest surface level thinker I've ever had the pleasure of reading.  

 

OMG, you said a QB would flourish with good coaching and playcalling.  What a revelation!  Is that a little secret only you know?

Same coaching staff by the way....

You equate execution 100% on coaching which is odd.

 

Yeah. I'm pretty sure talent factors into that equation somewhere.

[Nextmanup]

On 10/8/2020 at 7:34 AM, GunnerBill said:

McDermott coaches to his talent. He is one of the best Head Coaches in the NFL outside the obvious big name Superbowl winners - Belichick, Reid, Payton, Harbaugh, Carroll. He will want to get some of the issues ironed out on defense and I'm sure he will, but he has always won games the way his talent allows him to.

When you say McDermott is one of the best head coaches in the NFL, what do you mean exactly by that? 

 

A HC in the NFL has many widely differing job functions, and they are all important.  McD is good at some, average at others, poor at others still.   

 

As far as in game tactics go, I would put McDermott below average.  He has consistently and routinely failed to use the clock efficiently, often in key situations, he has gotten (I think) exactly 1 challenge called correctly out of all of them, routinely suffers through 3rd quarter slow downs (as the opposing coaching's adjustments take hold and McD hasn't adjusted to them nearly as well) and so on.  No one burns time when we need it at the end of the first half like McD.  

 

in contrast, I think he is a very effective motivator, I think he's organized, I think he gets the players/team prepared well, I think he gets the players to consistently play near their peak for an entire game, etc.  Things like that he does well.  

 

But if I am going into an important, single game like a Superbowl, I can think of a lot of HCs I'd rather have as the bench boss for the big dance.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

When you say McDermott is one of the best head coaches in the NFL, what do you mean exactly by that? 

 

A HC in the NFL has many widely differing job functions, and they are all important.  McD is good at some, average at others, poor at others still.   

 

As far as in game tactics go, I would put McDermott below average.  He has consistently and routinely failed to use the clock efficiently, often in key situations, he has gotten (I think) exactly 1 challenge called correctly out of all of them, routinely suffers through 3rd quarter slow downs (as the opposing coaching's adjustments take hold and McD hasn't adjusted to them nearly as well) and so on.  No one burns time when we need it at the end of the first half like McD.  

 

in contrast, I think he is a very effective motivator, I think he's organized, I think he gets the players/team prepared well, I think he gets the players to consistently play near their peak for an entire game, etc.  Things like that he does well.  

 

But if I am going into an important, single game like a Superbowl, I can think of a lot of HCs I'd rather have as the bench boss for the big dance.

 

I think his clock management has improved immeasurably and I think he makes good adjustments. I agree he is a bad challenger. You don't just have to challenge when you think you are right..... you have to challenge when you think they will overturn. The number of times he challenges the spot of the ball and they overturn those like 1 in 10 at absolute best.

[Billsfan1972]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You are the biggest surface level thinker I've ever had the pleasure of reading.  

 

OMG, you said a QB would flourish with good coaching and playcalling.  What a revelation!  Is that a little secret only you know?

Same coaching staff by the way....

You equate execution 100% on coaching which is odd.

No I state opinions and they have played out.  Call it surface level all you want , however as stated I pretty much supported Allen from day one and said let's see the Bills be more agressive on offense and see if he flourishes or not.  

 

You guys are all so excited about a 25-23 record and give all the credit to McD, when the prior 3 years they were 24-24 with what you called terrible coaching. 

 

You see what you want to see & I see what I want to see, however I saw this version of Allen well before this season & was pissed the staff I think held him back.

 

the Offense was ranked 30, 29 & 24 the first 3 McD seasons, and you seem pretty alright with that.  I wasn't.......

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I state opinions and they have played out.  Call it surface level all you want , however as stated I pretty much supported Allen from day one and said let's see the Bills be more agressive on offense and see if he flourishes or not.  

 

You guys are all so excited about a 25-23 record and give all the credit to McD, when the prior 3 years they were 24-24 with what you called terrible coaching. 

 

You see what you want to see & I see what I want to see, however I saw this version of Allen well before this season & was pissed the staff I think held him back.

 

the Offense was ranked 30, 29 & 24 the first 3 McD seasons, and you seem pretty alright with that.  I wasn't.......

 

No one on this board was pretty all right with our offense and the points per game scoring.  Talk about coming out of left field.

 

You put 100% everything on coaching.  The players are accountable at all, in any way.  If everything is 100% on coaching, then you don't need a team with talent.

[Billsfan1972]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

No one on this board was pretty all right with our offense and the points per game scoring.  Talk about coming out of left field.

 

You put 100% everything on coaching.  The players are accountable at all, in any way.  If everything is 100% on coaching, then you don't need a team with talent.

No I did not give coaching & McD a pass like many of you did.  

 

A big difference.

 

[teef]

17 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I state opinions and they have played out.  Call it surface level all you want , however as stated I pretty much supported Allen from day one and said let's see the Bills be more agressive on offense and see if he flourishes or not.  

 

You guys are all so excited about a 25-23 record and give all the credit to McD, when the prior 3 years they were 24-24 with what you called terrible coaching. 

 

You see what you want to see & I see what I want to see, however I saw this version of Allen well before this season & was pissed the staff I think held him back.

 

the Offense was ranked 30, 29 & 24 the first 3 McD seasons, and you seem pretty alright with that.  I wasn't.......

You keep mentioning records, yet you have one to acknowledge that mcd had brought this team to the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years, and has them fighting for the East this year.  The lens you choose to look at this through is childlike. 

2 hours ago, BringBackFlutie said:

 

There's no way this dude isn't playing all of us. 

I unfortunately don’t think this is the case. This is just the guys thought process. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

No I did not give coaching & McD a pass like many of you did.  

 

A big difference.

 

 

Not even close.  100% on coaching, no player accountability.  That's how you think.

[teef]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Not even close.  100% on coaching, no player accountability.  That's how you think.

He must think Josh is the same player today that he was last year.  It just isn’t the case. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

He must think Josh is the same player today that he was last year.  It just isn’t the case. 

 

He actually believes McDermott didn't want to score points until this year.  

[teef]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He actually believes McDermott didn't want to score points until this year.  

He also thought that if buffalo allowed 7,000 fans in the stadium, 50,000 fans would show up to tailgate.   This is who we’re dealing with. 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Obviously I saw different.  You & PFF saw the same thing.

 

I saw dropped balls, receivers seldom making a contested or difficult catch, undersized receivers, bad play calling putting Allen in difficult situations.....  

 

Read my 100+ posts thinking Allen would flourish with good coaching & playcalling.  Yep through four weeks in 2020, I am RIGHT!!!!!!

 

So lets take a look at this little gem right here.

 

The bolded part....how is that on coaching?

 

 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He actually believes McDermott didn't want to score points until this year.  

I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe that if Allen can improve, so can the staff.