Royale with Cheese Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: Is the clipboard to help him with the English language? What if instead of a play sheet attached to the clipboard, it's a Dr. Seuss book?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Haskins may not be the second coming of joe Montana but he was not in a good situation. I wonder what he would cost in a trade. Better backup than barkley Reminds me of EJM
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 He should have not let the Ravens run all over them.
Buffalo716 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Reminds me of EJM How? EJ Manuel held back a Florida State squad, that when he left won a national title Jimbo Fisher said that his freshman quarterback, who waa redshirting was more talented than EJ Manuel Urban Meyer called Dwayne Haskins the best 18-year-old quarterback he's ever seen. Urban Meyer told Joe burrow he would never start at Ohio State because Dwayne Haskins I think there's a talent gap between Dwayne Haskins and EJ Manuel. Even if Haskins hasn't put it together yet Edited October 7, 2020 by Buffalo716
uticaclub Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: WFT officially in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes Threw for 314 vs Ravens with a trash offense. He’s played 10 games. Better go to Kyle Allen. The 300-yard barrier isn't as hard to break as Bills fans think it is. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: How? EJ Manuel held back a Florida State squad, that when he left won a national title Jimbo Fisher said that his freshman quarterback, who waa redshirting was more talented than EJ Manuel Urban Meyer called Dwayne Haskins the best 18-year-old quarterback he's ever seen. Urban Meyer told Joe burrow he would never start at Ohio State because Dwayne Haskins I think there's a talent gap between Dwayne Haskins and EJ Manuel. Even if Haskins hasn't put it together yet yeah my impression is superficial. Something about his delivery and how he stands in the pocket, and occasional happy feet. A little mobile but not super mobile. I’m not saying he will bust. I saw him play live and saw some good things... though I saw Ej play live and saw good things too was Jimbo talking about JamINTS? Edited October 7, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood
Buffalo716 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: yeah my impression is superficial. Something about his delivery and how he stands in the pocket, and occasional happy feet. A little mobile but not super mobile. I’m not saying he will bust. I saw him play live and saw some good things... though I saw Ej play live and saw good things too EJ Manuel had some good moments. Unfortunately for most quarterbacks the game just turned out too big for him and too fast 2
Buffalo Junction Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Pretty bad examples: Favre-A 2nd round pick who a year later the team was offered a #1 pick for and took it. Warner-A raw rookie undrafted free agent who got caught up in a numbers game behind a future HOFer, A former Heisman winner & a future Pro Bowler & long term NFL starter. Smith-Spent EIGHT seasons with the 49ers before being traded. EIGHT SEASONS! Brees-Spent 5 seasons with the Chargers. His career started off mediocre & after his 3rd season the team drafted Manning & traded him for Rivers the day of the draft. However the Chargers didn't let him go & he held off Rivers & had a good to great season in his 4th year. He then was franchised & was the starter in his 5th year. In his last game as a Charger he suffered a severe injury and since he was a free agent the Chargers decide that rather than risk big $ on a medical risk, they would go with Rivers. I forgot Warner was in GB.... The sheer number of starting QBs that came out of that franchise in the 90’s is amazing.... and.... it’s probably linked to quality of offensive coaching: Holmgren, Mariucci, Gruden, Reid, Mornhinweg, etc. Throw in the defensive coaches (Rhodes, Jauron, etc) and there were an asinine amount of future head coaches during those years.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: EJ Manuel had some good moments. Unfortunately for most quarterbacks the game just turned out too big for him and too fast This is one of those for discussion posts. 😉 EJ and Allen had very similar passing rookie years (in fact EJ had a better completion %, td to int, qb rating). EJ got benched 4 games into his 2nd year for a coward who actively tries not to get hurt. His numbers were better after his first 4 games into his second year than Allen’s were. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/ManuEJ00/gamelog/2014/https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02/gamelog/2019/ it definitely doesn’t mean EJ would have ever developed like Allen has. But Marrone and Hackett (who was never a nfl OC and was both EJ’s OC and qb coach) made sure it won’t happen. His development sucked. And bad teams have a history of doing this. It’s what Washington and Cleveland and the Jets do. The Bills made a ton of questionable decisions for Allen’s rookie year but they stayed with the guys through ups and downs. A team like the Washington R words bench him after the first NE game last year because they are a joke franchise. side note, EJ was too nice and played like a robot. I wish he played the way Allen did because on paper, he had all the tools. For better or worse, Allen lays it all out. 1
Buffalo716 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This is one of those for discussion posts. 😉 EJ and Allen had very similar passing rookie years (in fact EJ had a better completion %, td to int, qb rating). EJ got benched 4 games into his 2nd year for a coward who actively tries not to get hurt. His numbers were better after his first 4 games into his second year than Allen’s were. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/ManuEJ00/gamelog/2014/https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02/gamelog/2019/ it definitely doesn’t mean EJ would have ever developed like Allen has. But Marrone and Hackett (who was never a nfl OC and was both EJ’s OC and qb coach) made sure it won’t happen. His development sucked. And bad teams have a history of doing this. It’s what Washington and Cleveland and the Jets do. The Bills made a ton of questionable decisions for Allen’s rookie year but they stayed with the guys through ups and downs. A team like the Washington R words bench him after the first NE game last year because they are a joke franchise. side note, EJ was too nice and played like a robot. I wish he played the way Allen did because on paper, he had all the tools. For better or worse, Allen lays it all out. I don't think statistics are an end all be all. Josh Allen showed more his rookie year with worst statistics than EJ Manuel ever showed EJ Manuel on paper had all the tools, but come game time he didn't have that it factor and the will to win that inside determination is usually what separates a player who makes it from one who doesn't 1 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I don't think statistics are an end all be all. Josh Allen showed more his rookie year with worst statistics than EJ Manuel ever showed EJ Manuel on paper had all the tools, but come game time he didn't have that it factor and the will to win that inside determination is usually what separates a player who makes it from one who doesn't I don’t really disagree but he had a comeback against the second ranked defense in the nfl that year and was playing his best football before he got hurt in Cleveland. I also think Marrone is a terrible offensive coach. that said, I couldn’t imagine EJ ever putting up numbers like Allen is doing now. It’s insane the jump he has. 1
Buffalo716 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don’t really disagree but he had a comeback against the second ranked defense in the nfl that year and was playing his best football before he got hurt in Cleveland. I also think Marrone is a terrible offensive coach. that said, I couldn’t imagine EJ ever putting up numbers like Allen is doing now. It’s insane the jump he has. Sure the bills came back in that game, But It's a team game. I mean I think everybody wanted him to succeed But it was clear a year in that he just didn't have that dog in him. He was supposed to be this big 6'5 240 lb dual threat quarterback. But he didn't have the dog in him to be that threat And it's perfectly fine, most NFL quarterbacks don't work out He had his moments, but not enough Edited October 7, 2020 by Buffalo716 1
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 It's appropriate that Yolo got this scoop......because Yolo was head over heels in love with his Ohio State QB Haskins in 2018. He openly lamented how much better of a prospect Haskins was than Josh Allen. I think it was like "I'd trade Josh+ for him NOW". Trust the process. Trust but verify(and then hire a private investigator and run like 20 surprise inspections) anything related to Urban Liar.
TheBrownBear Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 EJ sucked. He got unseated by Tyrod Taylor! Coaches like to bring in their own QBs. Not develop someone else's project. I don't blame Rivera. He has no real investment in Haskins. Plus, Kyle Allen showed some good things in his first two years in the league and is only 24 years of age. Gives them a better chance to win now and he's young and still has room to grow. My guess is Haskins gets dumped or traded, Washington drafts their next QB this offseason and Allen serves as the bridge. Smith hangs on as the mentor.
John from Riverside Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 Soooo hard to find "that qb" in the NFL Get ready to pay Allen
Kmart128 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 Not sure this makes sense. Haskins was drafted 15th and just started his sophomore season.
BobbyC81 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Process said: I haven't watched them at all this year but it seems like this can't be a good move. They might have the worst group of skill position players in the league. Their WR Terry McLaurin had a very good rookie year and the rookie RB Gibson has looked good. The rest though. Logan Thomas is their starting TE. Three of their other WRs are undrafted.
YoloinOhio Posted October 8, 2020 Author Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Kmart128 said: Not sure this makes sense. Haskins was drafted 15th and just started his sophomore season. I think that because of the change in regime, no one was invested in his development and they haven’t built around him either. They aren’t tied to him at all, so if he didn’t light it up right away they weren’t going to be patient with the hook. Rivera trusts Kyle Allen and doesn’t care if Haskins succceeds or fails because he didn’t pick him. Contrast that with beane and McDermott being completely tied to josh - if he looks good, they look good. So they are dumping every resource Into his development. Another reason the Bills waited until Beane was on board before drafting a QB. Tbh Darnold and Mayfield are in similar situations though a year ahead of Haskins and drafted much higher... but neither one still has the same GM/HC in place as when they were drafted. Regimes always feel more tied to guy they scouted/drafted.
Dr.Sack Posted October 8, 2020 Posted October 8, 2020 Haskins is 23? Let’s wait 2 years and see what happens.
stuvian Posted October 8, 2020 Posted October 8, 2020 the new coach new QB pattern is pretty reliable unless you're talking Aaron Rodgers level talent
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