Lurker Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Meh. Too much focus on stats and analytics. Even with the great 4-0 start, stats will always be the secondary way to describe Josh's game...
Don Otreply Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Pff is a joke, top to bottom, imo anyone who caters to them deserves their angst. Never click on their stories or their site, it is the best punishment for their frat boy behavior. 1
eball Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 I’m so glad I haven’t spent the last 2+ years whining about Josh’s inaccuracy and “failure to dominate in college” and allowed myself to watch and enjoy his progression. It’s really satisfying. 8 1
Doc Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, eball said: I’m so glad I haven’t spent the last 2+ years whining about Josh’s inaccuracy and “failure to dominate in college” and allowed myself to watch and enjoy his progression. It’s really satisfying. Yup. I didn't want him initially but then saw what he could become early-on (Vikings game). I never thought he'd be completing 70% of his passes, though, much less at 9.0 YPA. 1
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Whkfc said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/06/josh-allen-bills-quarterback-improvement/ Quite an article for an out of market source. Expect this type of story from Buffalo News or The Athletic. How much can be posted here? I dont wanna break any rules. Thank you for posting the article, but it's basically a retroactive way for the statisticians to cover their asses. That being said, I did enjoy the little snippets with the Wyoming OC, and the story about the freshman asking JA the question about the Houston game. 1 1
Doc Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I was hoping for mid 60's, and I think by the end of the season that's where he'll be. Still don't think he'll end up at 70% all said and done. Frankly I don't care where he ends up, as long as the team is winning. But mid-60's is fine with me.
Buffalo716 Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: It was a punky question. Hence the reason Vigen "cringed" at it. Or he knows Josh Allen is really passionate and may have become angry thinking about it But quarterbacks always need to learn from tough moments and bad mistakes, and Allen has definitely used that game as momentum and fuel to get better And it's a valid question for a Young quarterback to ask someone who's been there
H2o Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Quote Later this season, Allen’s coaches will arrive at a moment when they have to decide how much they trust him, how well they believe he can make the easy plays between the spectacular plays. Allen has been thinking about that moment all offseason. He is ready to show them he is different Pretty sure we have already had this moment, at least twice now. First in the Miami game when Daboll came out calling deep routes and letting Josh throw bombs. Second the Rams game where Josh drove us down the field for the W. They already trust him completely in my opinion and have shown it through the first 4 weeks of the season.
Saxum Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Whkfc said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/06/josh-allen-bills-quarterback-improvement/ Quite an article for an out of market source. Expect this type of story from Buffalo News or The Athletic. How much can be posted here? I dont wanna break any rules. It has been my experience you can access the article if you are using a browser you have not been to their site for a while but it may differ on where you are coming from. Usually I copy articles since when I go back a second time often it is not available. Been known to send such articles in PMs. Quote Bills Mafia hates us,” Sam Monson, the lead NFL analyst for statistics website Pro Football Focus, said with a laugh. “There are T-shirts. They think we hate Josh Allen. They think we hate the Bills generally. It’s understandable."
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 2 hours ago, H2o said: Pretty sure we have already had this moment, at least twice now. First in the Miami game when Daboll came out calling deep routes and letting Josh throw bombs. Second the Rams game where Josh drove us down the field for the W. They already trust him completely in my opinion and have shown it through the first 4 weeks of the season. I'm unsure. Haven't there been a couple of drives where we went to a clock-control ground game near our own end zone and had to punt and give the opponent a chance to score, where if we took a little risk of throwing and got a first down we could have sealed it? I think conservatism aka "turtling up with a lead" is a fundamental part of McDermott's coaching DNA, but I don't think we can exclude they were worried that a fumble or miscue from Josh at that point might cost us the win. I think McDermott will always want to "turtle up" and go conservative with a slight lead. Then when his D can't deliver and the other team scores so we have to come back from behind, it's "Balls to the Wall" out of necessity. Just the way I see it, perhaps. 1
H2o Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm unsure. Haven't there been a couple of drives where we went to a clock-control ground game near our own end zone and had to punt and give the opponent a chance to score, where if we took a little risk of throwing and got a first down we could have sealed it? I think conservatism aka "turtling up with a lead" is a fundamental part of McDermott's coaching DNA, but I don't think we can exclude they were worried that a fumble or miscue from Josh at that point might cost us the win. I think McDermott will always want to "turtle up" and go conservative with a slight lead. Then when his D can't deliver and the other team scores so we have to come back from behind, it's "Balls to the Wall" out of necessity. Just the way I see it, perhaps. We had the lead against Miami and Josh was out there throwing bombs instead of running clock. He just missed the first one. Then they ran basically the same exact play and he dropped it in there fir the TD. Nothing was going our way after that fake INT call against the Rams and they held the ball for like 22 minutes in the 2nd half. When it was time to man up Josh did so again. They played it a bit conservative against Oakland, but we have to get this running game figured out at some point. I think they trust him and I believe McD is conservative in nature at the same time if that makes sense.
purple haze Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Doc said: Who was the punk who asked Josh that question? Not necessarily a punk for asking, depending on the way it was asked and the context. There are lessons to be learned from how that game ended for Allen. Adversity can be a good teacher for those who pay attention. Allen did and went to work on his shortcomings. It’s good he answered with detail. The coach is probably used to things being kept lite with visiting speakers so he got uptight. However, Allen doesn’t strike me as a dude one would need to tiptoe around.
JaCrispy Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, eball said: I’m so glad I haven’t spent the last 2+ years whining about Josh’s inaccuracy and “failure to dominate in college” and allowed myself to watch and enjoy his progression. It’s really satisfying. I’ve been able to do both...and I, too, am thoroughly satisfied...It’s exciting seeing him beat the odds...🍻 Edited October 7, 2020 by JaCrispy
Ralonzo Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, K-9 said: Too bad the WP consulted Sam Monson for the piece. Is this piece is part of Monson's Apology Tour? 1
Shaw66 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 There's a lot of good stuff in this article. Well, good because it confirms things I thought. It says what we're seeing is improvement in Allen's understanding of the game. Mechanically they worked on little things, but they really worked on his understanding of the playbook, how he "processes the plays." Allen says he and Daboll are very much on the same page. Said Daboll will watch the Monday night game, come in Tuesday saying "did you see what they were doing? we could do something like that." Interesting stuff. 2
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said: Clear your browsing history and try again. Probably good advice regardless... 2
machine gun kelly Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, some of Bills Mafia hates them. Others of Bills Mafia, like moi, doesn't think they're worth the mental energy to work up a good cloud of hate. Mockery is as far as I'll go. Momson admits they tweeted out Duck Hodges was better, not because they really believed it, but to rile us up. Therefore, nothing they say should be taken seriously or treated as believable going forward. Sources who aren't believable should be ignored. As always Hapless, nailed it. I can proudly say I’ve never been on any PFF site, read one of their articles other than one of you guys post something here. It’s kind of like power rankings. It’s a big so what. We’re 4-0, the offense looks great, and I trust McD to figure it out in defense. Not his first rodeo. Norman was a nice add at least for one game. I’m hopeful he plays like this the rest of the year.
Thurman#1 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 10 hours ago, matter2003 said: Can't read it without subscribing I did. You only get two or three Washington Post articles a month before you have to subscribe. If you've already read some, you can't read this one. But I don't subscribe and I was able to read it.
Thurman#1 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, some of Bills Mafia hates them. Others of Bills Mafia, like moi, doesn't think they're worth the mental energy to work up a good cloud of hate. Mockery is as far as I'll go. Momson admits they tweeted out Duck Hodges was better, not because they really believed it, but to rile us up. Therefore, nothing they say should be taken seriously or treated as believable going forward. Sources who aren't believable should be ignored. So anyone who says anything provocative, ever, should be ignored forever after? Please. I'm 100% sure that would put me on ignore to the world and I'm willing to bet that you've sometime riled someone up deliberately as well at some point. PFF is a damn good site. Not so much so some of the internet talks shows they have at times put out. But they're a terrific site, with a ton of useful interesting info. Which, again, is why most NFL teams pay for their info. That - of course - doesn't mean they're perfect in every evaluation. Their method apparently downgrades heavily for bad plays, which hurt Josh a ton the last couple of years. Put him lower than I thought he should be. They now have him as sixth-best according to the article. Yeah. That's the right neighborhood. Edited October 7, 2020 by Thurman#1 1
Thurman#1 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Doc said: It was a punky question. Hence the reason Vigen "cringed" at it. No, it was a question that the immature college version of Josh Allen might have blown up at. That's why he cringed at it but was subsequently impressed at Josh's growth and present-day maturity. Edited October 7, 2020 by Thurman#1 1
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