Additional information regarding the actions taken

[SDS]

I realized in my long rambling post that I did make it easy for people like I requested others make it easy for me/us. So, let me expand upon the recent events, that came after the "post in this topic to ***** on X", a 30 day suspension, multiple attempts to bypass it, and an ensuing PM pissing match upon return. This is what I was told to look at:

 

(My interpretation is that The Frankish Reich is being accused of making a duplicate topic. The response below.)

 

"You know how you can tell an asshat from a good poster? "

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/227311-will-trump-be-healthy-enough-to-run-and-serve/?do=findComment&comment=6758287
Thumbs up: Buffalo Gal, carpet crawler, dub, Dragoon

 

"Liars gonna lie." Posted ####### meme
Link deleted

 

"It's a special: "LOOK AT ME! I NEED ATTENTION" post by the board's newest chief Asshat.  It's fun to watch such a dumb man go through such lengths  to prove how incalculably dumb he truly is."

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/227311-will-trump-be-healthy-enough-to-run-and-serve/?do=findComment&comment=6758300

Thumbs up: dubs, Laughed: cinga

"You could have put this in any number of threads. It would be just as forgettable and stupid in those threads as it would be on its own. But, the asshat would rather ***** up the board like a pelican because he's in desperate need for attention. It's funny to witness a grown man continually make an ass out of himself in public.  "

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/227311-will-trump-be-healthy-enough-to-run-and-serve/?do=findComment&comment=6758321

 

"You're so full of shite you can't even keep up with your own bullshite positions. Carry on being a dishonest asshat.  "
https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/227311-will-trump-be-healthy-enough-to-run-and-serve/?do=findComment&comment=6758354

 

"That's unfair to ask. He's not even smart enough to realize the sky is blue. "

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/227311-will-trump-be-healthy-enough-to-run-and-serve/?do=findComment&comment=6758385

 

Upon further investigation, I read this (In response to TFR's request to stop the name calling):

"Nope. Don't think I will. I gave you weeks of civility, you wanted none of it. Now you just get the horns. Your choice, Frank. "

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/191395-the-deep-state-war-heats-up-ph34r/?do=findComment&comment=6752991

 

 

 

I have looked over pages and pages and pages of posts by TFR and other than pushing back on positions, conspiracy theories and sometimes the general bent of PPP, I see absolutely nothing outside the normal back and forth of political talk that justified any of this on the heels on that suspension.

 

TFR's posting history (I apologize for pulling you into this):

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/profile/24239-the-frankish-reich/content/?type=forums_topic_post&change_section=1

 

Maybe I missed something. 🤷‍♂️

 

I also want to make it clear that TFR did not report anything. Another member did. So I ask:

 

1. What do I tell the member who reported the above and expresses to us that another member is facing unwarranted, repetitive abuse?

2. What am I supposed to do after reading the above after just going through this scenario with the reported member?

3. As this country becomes more polarized and as our discourse increasingly gets more extreme, why would I want this Buffalo Bills Community associated with the above (among other things)? A lot of people post anonymously here. I, however, am not (or at least it is the worst secret ever).

 

I want to note that, unless I missed it, friends of DR didn't exactly call for him to relax. Posters have responded that people here handle it themselves. So far I have failed to see where TFR needed to be handled like this. I do see DR needing to take a step back (IMO), but no advice was offered (unless it was done privately and he ignored it).

 

Edit: Oh, and one last thing… The PM ***** storm that I got pulled into had to do with DR continually accusing another member of supporting child abuse, which DR asserted in PM. (I incorrectly posted that the DR accused the member of actual abuse. I apologize for my mistake.)

 

Just additional information from my point of view.

 

[SDS]

FYI, I broke this out to a separate topic. I encourage direct responses to what I have posted here. Thanks.

[Westside]

Would it change your mind?

[B-Man]

 

 

I eagerly await the next re-posting.

 

 

 

 

 

[SDS]

14 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Would it change your mind?

many people keep asserting that I’m wrong. Therefore, I am being completely transparent about what I acted on. I am politely asking for others to tell me what I missed or what I interpreted incorrectly. Do you have a response to the above?

 

and to answer your question, I routinely take ownership and responsibility when I am wrong and do my best to make corrections.

[bdutton]

A few liberal posters who only joined a relatively short time ago, provide little or no actual content beyond childish memes and repetitive responses apparently goaded DR into responding to their antics. 

 

Once he responded to their repeated infantile posts they run to a mod to complain.

 

DR has a long history of providing interesting content.  

 

I don't want to see the board lose one if its most prolific members because of the actions of a small group of instigators.

 

Also, the 'asshats' earned the name IMO.  They open new threads where there was a perfectly good one to add to.  It ends up cluttering the board with multiple threads on the same basic subject.

[realtruelove]

6 minutes ago, bdutton said:

A few liberal posters who only joined a relatively short time ago, provide little or no actual content beyond childish memes and repetitive responses apparently goaded DR into responding to their antics. 

 

Once he responded to their repeated infantile posts they run to a mod to complain.

 

DR has a long history of providing interesting content.  

 

I don't want to see the board lose one if its most prolific members because of the actions of a small group of instigators.

 

Also, the 'asshats' earned the name IMO.  They open new threads where there was a perfectly good one to add to.  It ends up cluttering the board with multiple threads on the same basic subject.

100% Agree with this.  

[SDS]

10 minutes ago, bdutton said:

A few liberal posters who only joined a relatively short time ago, provide little or no actual content beyond childish memes and repetitive responses apparently goaded DR into responding to their antics. 

if you bothered to read the original post, this is unequivocally not the situation under discussion. I would be happy to listen to responses to the original post, not a random theory.

[realtruelove]

4 minutes ago, SDS said:

if you bothered to read the original post, this is unequivocally not the situation under discussion. I would be happy to listen to responses to the original post, not a random theory.

What he cites is not random theory.

[Chef Jim]

Thanks for the advice but................

 

Sorry Scott I got nuthin other than my condolences for being dragged to the kiddy cesspool.  

22 minutes ago, bdutton said:

A few liberal posters who only joined a relatively short time ago, provide little or no actual content beyond childish memes and repetitive responses apparently goaded DR into responding to their antics. 

 

Once he responded to their repeated infantile posts they run to a mod to complain.

 

DR has a long history of providing interesting content.  

 

I don't want to see the board lose one if its most prolific members because of the actions of a small group of instigators.

 

Also, the 'asshats' earned the name IMO.  They open new threads where there was a perfectly good one to add to.  It ends up cluttering the board with multiple threads on the same basic subject.

 

As an ardent conservative that believes in full personal responsibility and from what I've heard I feel that DR made his own bed.

 

I'm a manager by trade.  We need to all grow up and take this shitstorm as a way to fix the mess that this board has become.  

[BullBuchanan]

8 hours ago, realtruelove said:

What he cites is not random theory.

You're right, it doesn't even meet the bar.

It's obvious projection. From looking at the contents of this forum, it's a hang out for the far right and conspiracy theorists. I suppose when it was just that type of content that was posted here, the board was fine with it. Since other people have started raising more nuanced central and left topics however, anyone that does not fall in line with the deepstate, anti-media, pro-donald thought system has been ferociously bullied around here.

For me and some others, it's not a problem. That doesn't mean there isn't one.

Edited October 6, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Buffalo_Gal]

It is difficult to know how honest I should be... will I receive warning points? Will I be banned? I sincerely hope not, but here goes...

What has happened is the personal foul flag was tossed at the one who retaliated.  TFR is on my ignore list for a number of reasons, but  mostly because he overbearing, rude, obnoxious, condescending, displays passive-aggressive hostility, and is antagonistic. I may have missed a few, but you get the idea.

Over the past year I have watched DR take it on the chin down here. He continually engaged people I would not have given the time of day to simply because he feels everyone can be reasoned with. The constant poking, picking, needling, and trolling he received down here went above and beyond what someone should ever endure on a message board.  And yet, he was kind enough to endure it in order to share with us his sources and perspective. And, he has sources that the rest of us can only dream of.

Is PPP moderated, or not? If it is moderated, what besides crusading and call-out-threads, is prohibited? What will earn you a warning? What will earn you a banning?  Clarity and even handedness is truly what people seek. People cannot obey rules they do not know exist.  If we are told this is a "fire free zone" and then suddenly it is not, how are people to react?

TBD is your website. You make the rules. People really want to know what those rules are.
 

Edited October 5, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

It is difficult to know how honest I should be... will I receive warning points? Will I be banned? I sincerely hope not, but here goes...

What has happened is the personal foul flag was tossed at the one who retaliated.  TFR is on my ignore list for a number of reasons, but  mostly because he overbearing, rude, obnoxious, condescending, displays passive-aggressive hostility, and is antagonistic. I may have missed a few, but you get the idea.

Over the past year I have watched DR take it on the chin down here. He continually engaged people I would not have given the time of day to simply because he feels everyone can be reasoned with. The constant poking, picking, needling, and trolling he received down here went above and beyond what someone should ever endure on a message board.  And yet, he was kind enough to endure it in order to share with us his sources and perspective. And, he has sources that the rest of us can only dream of.

Is PPP moderated, or not? If it is moderated, what besides crusading and call-out-threads, is prohibited? What will earn you a warning? What will earn you a banning?  Clarity and even handedness is truly what people seek. People cannot obey rules they do not know exist.  If we are told this is a "fire free zone" and then suddenly it is not, how are people to react?

TBD is your website. You make the rules. People really want to know what those rules are.
 

 

Did you read SDS's post? Read DR's behavior and don't do that. It is not like he got banned for calling someone an idiot. He got suspended and warned. Then after that, poked the bear and attacked the site and SDS, a human who happens to have started this site. Maybe that was really bad. He made his bed and he now lives with it. If you don't do those things, you're good to go. 

 

For instance, in August, DR started a topic that basically said, "This topic is to be used by the community to ***** on another member". 

 

This may not register with you, but as the admin here - it registers with me. It's a BIG deal. We have probably had 8-9 million posts in this community. This is the first time I have ever seen this done to this extreme. Raw and ugly. (This is waaaaay different than some call out post over a beef. In the message board world, this was psychotic.) It doesn't matter if you think the "other member" is annoying or that you dislike them. It doesn't matter how valuable you think DR is to a politics discussion in a Buffalo Bills community. I am the administrator for BOTH people here, as well everyone else in the community at large.

 

I suspended him for 30 days. I was met with a childish barrage of additional accounts being registered. Completely wasting my time.

 

When he came back I met with an instant PM pissing match between him and another member that included me. Again. Over 50 years, with a real life to attend to. DR ignores it.

 

Then last night I get barraged with 5-6 reports from PPP. So I again stop what i am doing to look into a politics subforum in a Buffalo bills community. And there he is - calling a member an ####### 1, 2, 3, 4 times in a row. Oblivious to what happened a month ago. That member he bombed had all the appearances of just trying to talk. What am I, now having my nose shoved into another pile of his *****, supposed to do? Say others think DR is a very valuable member in a politics subforum in a Buffalo Bills community and therefore he has carte blanche to treat anyone, anywhere however he wants, whenever he wants? I can't unsee it. It was completely brazen and completely dismissive of an event we just had before. While DR was calling another member an #######, he was flipping me the middle finger.

 

This is where I ask each of you to step back and see this through my soda straw. As an administrator, I don't care about his politics or his point of view. All that conspiracy stuff is sitting right there untouched. However, his grotesque treatment of others is actually behavior that I am forced to occasionally address. He unnecessarily takes time away from me and my life to deal with his extreme behavior. 

 

 

SDS also banned a serial spammer and some other junk accounts. 

 

It's astounding to me the narrative that DR is being cast as your hero in this when the guy who literally created this place went out of his way to explain (unnecessarily) what DR did to ban himself. 

Edited October 5, 2020 by shoshin

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, SDS said:

many people keep asserting that I’m wrong. Therefore, I am being completely transparent about what I acted on. I am politely asking for others to tell me what I missed or what I interpreted incorrectly. Do you have a response to the above?

 

and to answer your question, I routinely take ownership and responsibility when I am wrong and do my best to make corrections.

 

..think you need to lighten up on yourself friend......society today is sinking faster than the Titanic into a moribund state of hatred, foment, vitriol, intolerance et al.....gone are the days of tolerance, respect, abiding by laws & mores' as well as inclusion, etc....if that is society's downward trend, how the hell do you expect to reverse the trend on PPP?........

Edited October 5, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Westside]

1 hour ago, SDS said:

if you bothered to read the original post, this is unequivocally not the situation under discussion. I would be happy to listen to responses to the original post, not a random theory.

This is your board, in the end you can do what you want. That said, it's pretty simple, if you really want to know what is going on down here and why you're having so many problems. Take a look at a year ago, did you have as many complaints as now? I probably doubt it. There are many, many good people who have left this board and probably won't be back. That's a shame. DR brought a lot of information to this sight and we were lucky to have him.

Unfortunately, there are a group of radical people on the left who's only purpose on here was to shut it down, just because they didn't agree with it. There is a reason so many people are upset with the way DR has been treated. Shouldn't that tell you anything? 

Just like you can do anything you want with this board, I can also walk away like so many have this past year. But after being here almost 20 years, I don't want to walk away. I still think you have the best Bill's website around. 

I respect your opinion Scott, though I may not agree with it, I have learned so much from the people on PPP. I might have to leave PPP and just stick to the main board. I love this website,  I love how much work you put into it. I don't like the fact that you have to put up with nonsense. In my mind, I think you have done a great service to Bills fans for many years. I hope your health and your families health issues can be treated, in the end, that's all that really matters. 

 

 

P.S: It's funny, I really just realized how much TBD means to me while I was writing this post. Which might explain why I seem to be all over the place.

You do a great job here Scott and for that I am forever grateful. 

[Bob in Mich]

DR has become obsessed and bullied the crap out of anyone that wouldn’t come around to his point of view.  His initial reasoned approach would eventually turn to constant insults if you didn’t agree with his interpretations. Not sure how any regulars could miss that.

 

I too had hoped some of the regulars would help bring him back in line when he harassed the crap out of me for at least 6 months. If that help was attempted by any poster, I did not see it.  The only solution offered up was the ignore function.  As I explained however he would hijack every one of my discussions with his asshat or similar insult tirades. I recall complaining publicly (but not to mods) that he had made the board unusable for me.

 

DR is a bright guy and has a lot to offer the discussions. However he has driven away many posters and stymied the discussion way too many times. I pleaded with the guy to please leave me alone so that I could converse with others but he repeatedly refused.  His insult crusades were over the top, imo

[Tiberius]

4 hours ago, westside2 said:

Would it change your mind?

I’m not sure at all why Billstime got 30 days. Did he do something, or were his scathing and creative posts too much for people? 

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I’m not sure at all why Billstime got 30 days. Did he do something, or were his scathing and creative posts too much for people? 

And meazza vouched tibs wasn’t 1000% a troll 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

And meazza vouched tibs wasn’t 1000% a troll 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

You just made a troll post. Troll. 

 

 

[shoshin]

2 hours ago, Bob in Mich said:

DR has become obsessed and bullied the crap out of anyone that wouldn’t come around to his point of view.  His initial reasoned approach would eventually turn to constant insults if you didn’t agree with his interpretations. Not sure how any regulars could miss that.

 

I too had hoped some of the regulars would help bring him back in line when he harassed the crap out of me for at least 6 months. If that help was attempted by any poster, I did not see it.  The only solution offered up was the ignore function.  As I explained however he would hijack every one of my discussions with his asshat or similar insult tirades. I recall complaining publicly (but not to mods) that he had made the board unusable for me.

 

DR is a bright guy and has a lot to offer the discussions. However he has driven away many posters and stymied the discussion way too many times. I pleaded with the guy to please leave me alone so that I could converse with others but he repeatedly refused.  His insult crusades were over the top, imo

Dingdingding. He posted a bazillion times a day and was a relentless board bully and name caller. I’m sure in person he’s a good person but his internet persona was a firehouse of insults and he flipped off the site owner, a plan with predictable consequences.