ROCKPILE REVIEW - FInding Ways to Win

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

I wondered what I would here about Edmunds. I S aw it differently.   I thought his mobility was awesome.  12 tackles on 67 total plays says something 

He’s always had the mobility, but I’ve always felt he lacks the physicality and instinct to play inside and would be better suited to play outside .... I think he would be a helpful addition to getting after the passer, as well as his coverage ability, which is his strong suit. 

[ChevyVanMiller]

Great recap and analysis, @Shaw66. Well done!

 

I did find myself perplexed by the censored word in your column. I think I finally figured out that it is a word that means to take something away quickly and is also a derogatory word for a female body part. Do I win a cigar?

 

[Dr. K]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Great passes need to be caught & these were.  

 

I have posted over & over at the lack of catches the Bills seem to make and now they are making them (however there were 4 drops yesterday!!).  

 

Yes watch other games and you continually see contested catches & then would wonder why not Buffalo?

 

Anyone else remember week 1 vs. NYJ in 2019 and Beasly not making a pretty smple catch (hit him in the #'s) that popped up resulting in a pick 6 & then arguing about Allen's accuracy as to whether it was a good pass?

 

And again we have high expectations of Josh & can complain that on a 42 yard bomb, we didn't lead Diggs enough.....  A different world for a Bills fan.

 

Good write-up Shaw.

I cant let this go without speaking out. Yes, Beasley might have caught that pass, but it was nowhere near "hitting him in the numbers." It was a rocket thrown at his knees, and would have been a very tough catch with no chance for YAC.

 

Go look at it again. 

 

 

Allen is routinely throwing much better passes now than that one. 

Edited October 5, 2020 by Dr. K

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

I cant let this go without speaking out. Yes, Beasley might have caught that pass, but it was nowhere near "hitting him in the numbers." It was a rocket thrown behind him and at his knees, and would have been a very tough catch with no chance for YAC.

 

Go look at it again. 

 

 

Allen is routinely throwing much better passes now than that one. 

Perfectly catchable ball.  That one was on Cole....

 

Let me guess....  You're an unpaid intern for pff??????😜😡

[Dr. K]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Perfectly catchable ball.  That one was on Cole....

 

Let me guess....  You're an unpaid intern for pff??????😜😡

I said was catchable. But you're the guy who said it "hit him in the numbers" which is demonstrably untrue. 

 

Either you didn't remember the play correctly, or you feel you have to falsify reality to make your point.

[Billsfan1972]

14 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

I said was catchable. But you're the guy who said it "hit him in the numbers" which is demonstrably untrue. 

 

Either you didn't remember the play correctly, or you feel you have to falsify reality to make your point.

When Josh was considered inaccurate it was a bad pass.  Now that he is accurate it is the receiver's fault!!!!😆

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

Great recap and analysis, @Shaw66. Well done!

 

I did find myself perplexed by the censored word in your column. I think I finally figured out that it is a word that means to take something away quickly and is also a derogatory word for a female body part. Do I win a cigar?

 

Wow, I hadn't reread it as posted and didn't see the ****.  That's pretty bad.  I mean, I get it, but it's a legit word.   Oh, well.  Keep on ballin'.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

He’s always had the mobility, but I’ve always felt he lacks the physicality and instinct to play inside and would be better suited to play outside .... I think he would be a helpful addition to getting after the passer, as well as his coverage ability, which is his strong suit. 

I hear that, and i agree he would be awesome outside.   However, I think McDermott likes the idea of a game-changer in the middle.  The guy on the edge can be neutralized; a star in the middle can't.  

 

Obviously, McD was in love with Keuchly - who wouldn't be?  We all know Edmunds isn't Keuchly - they're different styles.  Keuchly mas a monster run stuffer, and I think he had exceptional instincts - he understood intuitively where the play was going.  Edmunds doesn't have the same natural feel for the position.   But as I said, I think Edmunds stands alone in the league playing the middle in the passing game, and that's an extraordinary talent - that's the kind of game changing talent McD wants in the middle.   So the task for McD is to get Edmunds toughened up and smartened up so that he doesn't approach being a liability in the run game.  

 

Edmunds is still so young, so I expect he will grow both physically and mentally in the game.  I don't think the Bills are letting him go anytime soon.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I wondered what I would here about Edmunds. I S aw it differently.   I thought his mobility was awesome.  12 tackles on 67 total plays says something 

Edmunds has become a really polarizing player lately.

 

i saw what you saw. He has moments where he is the best defender on the field. 
 

like most MLBs, he struggles when the front four does and he still occasionally makes errors. But he’s a freak of nature and keeps improving 

Edited October 5, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[WhoTom]

2 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

Great recap and analysis, @Shaw66. Well done!

 

I did find myself perplexed by the censored word in your column. I think I finally figured out that it is a word that means to take something away quickly and is also a derogatory word for a female body part. Do I win a cigar?

 

No, you win a *****. 😉

 

[Shaw66]

12 minutes ago, Figster said:

Not everyone agrees with everything here on TBD by way of community conduct and communication. By way of example a good friend of mine that moderates another site asked recently why the gameday thread gets shut down. Myself personally, to many knee jerk reactions on the actual play by play.  To me it makes good sense to shed some of the frustrations that boil over by locking the thread and starting fresh. Others may think otherwise. My suggestion for all concerned is to participate more in threads when SDS is looking for input.

 

Another great review OP

 

Myself personally, Virgils description of the Allen sack hit home for me a little better with the realization Josh Allen makes allot of plays after shedding defenders. Something Big Ben of the Steelers has made many a great play over the years using the same brute strength and determination. Mistake, yes, I'm sure Josh would say the same. Boneheaded on the other hand. I don't know If I would call it that IMO.  

 

Thanks OP, I know both you and Virgil are more accustomed to giving us reviews after participating in the live 12th man action.

 

Well done...

Thanks, Figgy. 

 

I didn't read Virg read, but I think it was absolutely boneheaded.   The number one objective on that play was DO NOT TAKE A SACK, because the field goal makes it a three score game.  It ends the game.  When Josh broke from the pocket, he was supposed to be thinking "good, I've got some time, let's see what I can make of it.  When the defense catches up to me, throw it out of bounds."   I was thinking that as the play was happening.  It was the number one priority, and Josh had plenty of time.  He just cannot take the sack there.  

[Figster]

31 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Thanks, Figgy. 

 

I didn't read Virg read, but I think it was absolutely boneheaded.   The number one objective on that play was DO NOT TAKE A SACK, because the field goal makes it a three score game.  It ends the game.  When Josh broke from the pocket, he was supposed to be thinking "good, I've got some time, let's see what I can make of it.  When the defense catches up to me, throw it out of bounds."   I was thinking that as the play was happening.  It was the number one priority, and Josh had plenty of time.  He just cannot take the sack there.  

I get it, I was upset myself. I guess my point is do we want to take away to much from what comes natural to Allen on the playing field?

 

The play dragged out, but the tackle was bang, bang, and probably caught Allen off guard a little IMO. Boneheaded would be to fumble or throw a pic 6 in my humble opinion OP.

 

I just don't think intellect had much to do with the sack. Oppositions D made a great play.

 

Edited October 5, 2020 by Figster

[IDBillzFan]

12 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Up until now, whatever the bad, everyone’s been willing to put up with it because the good has been oh, so good.  So good.  He has control of the huddle and the line of scrimmage.  He manages the traffic in the backfield.  His passes have the beauty of those great Joe Ferguson spinners, but Joe was a pee wee compared to Josh.  Josh can throw it anywhere on the field, like a rocket one time and with touch the next.  Not every time, but a lot of the time.  Not with the surgeon-like precision of a Brees, but not so far off, either.  He really is spectacular.  Not consistently enough, but that’s only going to improve.   

 

This paragraph sounds like my wife the first time we had sex.

 

"Wow. You were amazing. You're really good at this. Well, I mean, not the whole time, but a lot of the time! Not with urgency like my last boyfriend, but not so far off either. You were spectacular...I mean, not consistently, but I'm sure you'll improve with time!"

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

This paragraph sounds like my wife the first time we had sex.

 

"Wow. You were amazing. You're really good at this. Well, I mean, not the whole time, but a lot of the time! Not with urgency like my last boyfriend, but not so far off either. You were spectacular...I mean, not consistently, but I'm sure you'll improve with time!"

What's sex?

 

 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Figster said:

I get it, I was upset myself. I guess my point is do we want to take away to much from what comes natural to Allen on the playing field?

 

The play dragged out, but the tackle was bang, bang, and probably caught Allen off guard a little IMO. Boneheaded would be to fumble or throw a pic 6 in my humble opinion OP.

 

I just don't think intellect had much to do with the sack. Oppositions D made a great play.

 

I get that point of view, but this isn't asking Allen to abandon what comes naturally to him.  This is about having him focused on winning the game.  

 

There are plenty of times when the team says, "okay, Josh, make something happen."   This wasn't one of those times.   This was tantamount to telling Josh to take a knee at the end of the half and he throws a pick 6.  "Just Josh being Josh."   No.  Josh has to understand the whole game, and he has to make plays in the context of the game.  

 

There was no upside to Josh running around back there.  No upside.  If he throws a touchdown pass on that play, it's pretty much no better than taking the field goal on the next play. - it's a three score game either way, 8 minutes left.  He's supposed to recognize that there's no upside and there's clear downside to trying to squeeze something out of nothing.  

[IDBillzFan]

10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

What's sex?

 

I'll take "Questions asked by men who have been married for a long time" for $200, Alex.

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, Beast said:

I wasn't quitee as high on Edmunds as you were, Shaw. In fact, I thought he looked like a chicken with his head cut off quite a few times, especially in the first half.

I agree. As far as Edmunds goes I isolated on him alot yesterday and I hardly would say that was his best game. He missed tackles and continued to guess wrong on gaps. 

[Shaw66]

7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree. As far as Edmunds goes I isolated on him alot yesterday and I hardly would say that was his best game. He missed tackles and continued to guess wrong on gaps. 

I don't think he guesses on gaps.   He has a gap assignment.  If he was blowing his assignments, he wouldn't be on the field.  

 

One thing I liked about his play yesterday was that I didn't see him getting trapped in gaps.   He recovered easily and often still ran down the play.  

 

Raiders ran for 86 yards, about 3.6 per carry, and Edmunds made 12 tackles, most of them in the run game.  If Edmunds played so badly, how'd the Bills stop the run so well?

[Figster]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

I get that point of view, but this isn't asking Allen to abandon what comes naturally to him.  This is about having him focused on winning the game.  

 

There are plenty of times when the team says, "okay, Josh, make something happen."   This wasn't one of those times.   This was tantamount to telling Josh to take a knee at the end of the half and he throws a pick 6.  "Just Josh being Josh."   No.  Josh has to understand the whole game, and he has to make plays in the context of the game.  

 

There was no upside to Josh running around back there.  No upside.  If he throws a touchdown pass on that play, it's pretty much no better than taking the field goal on the next play. - it's a three score game either way, 8 minutes left.  He's supposed to recognize that there's no upside and there's clear downside to trying to squeeze something out of nothing.  

Always an upside to gaining more yards IMO. Easier kick for our kicker that missed an extra point. 1st down, TD.

 

I get your point OP,  my characterization of the  mistake is just a little different.  Clearly getting sacked was not Allens intention. 

[BuffalOhio]

4 hours ago, WhoTom said:

 

No, you win a *****. 😉

 

Mmmmm .... s****h.