B-Man Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 The press’s strange fascination with the Proud Boys Why this obsessive push to vilify such an obscure group? https://spectator.us/press-strange-fascination-proud-boys/ Tuesday night’s debate was full of strange moments, but the most bizarre of all may have come when Chris Wallace pressured Trump to condemn ‘white supremacists and militia groups’. When the President asked for an actual name, Joe Biden interrupted to announce the surprise debate appearance of Gavin McInnes’s all-male club, the Proud Boys. While highly online individuals likely reacted much as McInnes did, Cockburn suspects the far more common reaction among the masses was, ‘who the hell are the Proud Boys?’ The Biden campaign and the press badly want Gavin McInnes’s expanded group of drinking buddies to be a household name, representing the horrifying specter of right-wing violence that is supposedly looming over America. Why this obsessive push to vilify such an obscure group? That is no mystery. For four months, rioters have torched and terrorized dozens of American cities. These were instigated and perpetrated by partisans of the left, while Democratic politicians made insane declarations about the need to abolish or defund the police. Belatedly, the Democrats have realized that burning cities and trashing civilization itself are a poor case for leadership. So, the effort is underway to rewrite four months of politically-motivated rioting as politically-agnostic ‘violence’. In addition, the never-ending hunt for ‘racism’ in American life suffers from a lack of clear villains. The Ku Klux Klan is moribund and irrelevant, and all the high-profile hate crimes seem to be hoaxes. Progressives will feel far more reassured about this crusade if they can find some actual white supremacist terrorists, and the Proud Boys have been chosen as their target. But the truth is that the Proud Boys are quite short on the evil so many want to foist on them, so this effort has a very desperate try-hard feeling to it. In a post-debate writeup, NBC News said that the four-year-old group is ‘considered a violent…hate group’ by the Anti-Defamation League, which is NBC’s roundabout way of admitting that no memorable examples of Proud Boy atrocities come to mind. The group’s Wikipedia page has a Pravda-like quality to it: the site’s editors are frantic to mark the Proud Boys as supremely wicked, but instead they look supreme silly with subsections about the group ‘taunting soccer fans’ and having a ‘connection with Roger Stone’. Last week, Oregon governor Kate Brown hysterically declared a state of emergency before a planned Proud Boys rally in Portland. The result: the only violence was between police and members of antifa. Nobody has to engage in these contortions for antifa, despite Biden’s claim that the group is just an ‘idea’, like democracy or disestablishing the Church of England. Concocting a list of antifa actions is easy: in Minneapolis, they burned down a police station. In Portland, months of rioting have included a siege of a federal courthouse and the murder of a pro-Trump activist. (Biden fans will point to the teenage, right-wing killer in Wisconsin, but he was not affiliated with any well-known group). Those with a longer memory will recall the antifa associate who was killed while apparently trying to blow up an ICE facility in Washington. And, of course, antifa radicals are behind the most high-profile attacks on statues and monuments across the country. The ‘white supremacist’ angle on the Proud Boys is even weaker than the violence one. Not only do the Proud Boys openly reject white supremacy or white nationalism, but simply looking at the group quickly reveals they are substantially less white than antifa. Besides McInnes himself, the most famous member of the group is likely Tusitala ‘Tiny’ Toese, a gigantic Polynesian man. In 2018, the Daily Beast profiled Enrique Tarrio, the Afro-Cuban head of the Proud Boys Miami chapter. The piece’s headline blared that ‘Young Men of Color are Joining White-Supremacist Groups’. Somehow Arun Gupta wrote, and the Beast published, that bit of analysis without pausing even a moment to reflect on how ridiculous they being. They aren’t alone; NPR’s ‘The Takeaway’ podcast brought on a law professor and a Southern Poverty Law Center associate to discuss the ‘rise of multiracial white supremacy.’. Cockburn tries very hard to be a sophisticated intellect, but this trend is beyond him. If a group has a multiracial membership and explicitly rejects white supremacy, then perhaps the most reasonable explanation is that they are not, in fact, white supremacists? And if a group’s most violent actions are difficult to distinguish from a large bar fight, then perhaps it’s a bit silly for them to be targeted by the same press outlets that label riots as ‘fiery but mostly peaceful’. Quick Note: those of you simpleton's here, who will dismiss any informational article as "Defending the White Supremacists" Don't bother. You have already displayed your ignorance in this thread for the past two days, no one expects any more of you.
Plano Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: You have the privilege of living your life without the burden of government, corporations, and media imputing characteristics and responsibilities to you based on your race/ethnicity. And you know this how? How do you know this? Elaborate further. I'd love to hear how you came to this conclusion.
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rob's House said: You have the privilege of living your life without the burden of government, corporations, and media imputing characteristics and responsibilities to you based on your race/ethnicity. I did Nazi that coming 1
Alaska Darin Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: I did Nazi that coming That is hilarious.
Rob's House Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Plano said: And you know this how? How do you know this? Elaborate further. I'd love to hear how you came to this conclusion. Is it not obvious? The fact that you're offended by the insinuation says it all. Do you get indignant at the claim of white privilege? No one in media does. In fact, it's considered racist to deny the concept. But claiming any other group experiences any measure of privilege is considered racist. So ... you have the privilege of not being labeled privileged (except maybe by the occasional poster on an obscure message board who's deemed a Nazi for doing so).
fansince88 Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 4 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: The Proud Bouy's are known for anti-Muslim and misogynistic rhetoric. Which is interesting as that is in line with Chaos' SC nominee. Amy Coney Barrett has close ties to a Christian religious group that holds that men are divinely ordained as the “head” of the family and faith. Former members of the group, called People of Praise, say it teaches that wives must submit to the will of their husbands. A group that she is affiliated with, People of Praise’s branch said women were expected to live in “total submission” not only to their husbands, but also the other male “heads” within the group. LOL says someone supporting White Nationalists,. the big bad media. This is the most ignorant rant I have seen on the internet. Without having a Bible study with you (I am willing to do that if you would like) it would be impossible to fully cause you to understand the premis on this. "Head" is not used in this scripture that supposrts this and leadership but as a protector. That scripture goes on as so. "The Husband is head over the wife as Christ is over the Church inasmuch as Christ died for thw Church so the husband for the wife." You see, it is a teaching more about giving of oneself fully then it is as you and many other ill informed say.
IDBillzFan Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Kemp said: If you support a racist, you are a racist. Then we agree. You're a Biden racist. Glad to see you admit it. 1
Golden Goat Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, Plano said: And you know this how? How do you know this? Elaborate further. I'd love to hear how you came to this conclusion. From one Jew to another -- You're a nut. That is all.
IDBillzFan Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, fansince88 said: This is the most ignorant rant I have seen on the internet. Without having a Bible study with you (I am willing to do that if you would like) it would be impossible to fully cause you to understand the premis on this. "Head" is not used in this scripture that supposrts this and leadership but as a protector. That scripture goes on as so. "The Husband is head over the wife as Christ is over the Church inasmuch as Christ died for thw Church so the husband for the wife." You see, it is a teaching more about giving of oneself fully then it is as you and many other ill informed say. You'll have to forgive Slim. That's not his thought. That's him copy/pasting his way into a conversation. There is simply no evidence he would ever understand what you are explaining. You could draw it up with crayons, and it still wouldn't make sense to him. Original thinking is not in his wheelhouse. He only knows what he's told. 1
Kemp Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Paulus said: Making up 3% of the population and 1/3 of the top 1% shows no privilege, but "White Privilege" exists. That is just the most intellectually lazy logic I've seen in a few days... Is there Asian Privilege? Or, is it just whitey who was born with all this majikal made up BS? You sound like you ran the gulags. Does your right arm get erect every time you post Nazi opinions? 1
IDBillzFan Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 Just now, Kemp said: Does your right arm get erect every time you post Nazi opinions? NAZI! Everyone drink! 1
Kemp Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said: NAZI! Everyone drink! Just like the Bund days.
Plano Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Is it not obvious? The fact that you're offended by the insinuation says it all. Do you get indignant at the claim of white privilege? No one in media does. In fact, it's considered racist to deny the concept. But claiming any other group experiences any measure of privilege is considered racist. So ... you have the privilege of not being labeled privileged (except maybe by the occasional poster on an obscure message board who's deemed a Nazi for doing so). Did I ever say I was offended? No? Oh, that's right, I didn't. Never speak on things in which you have no idea. It's a great example to follow. Period.
Albwan Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Cool. He didn't at the debate. He actually did multiple times. In fact he did as soon as the question was answered he wasn't facing the mic so it's lower, but there. But that doesn't matter. Provide facts that show he needs to condemn them? Have they rioted, looted, murdered, injured cops etc? Nope, you are a low information, hate inciting, liar.
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 Just now, Albwan said: He actually did multiple times. In fact he did as soon as the question was answered he wasn't facing the mic so it's lower, but there. Rule #2, please.
Albwan Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Rule #2, please. That's what I thought. liar. no facts, just feelings and deflection.
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Albwan said: That's what I thought. liar. no facts, just feelings and deflection. hmm 4 minutes ago, Albwan said: He actually did multiple times. In fact he did as soon as the question was answered he wasn't facing the mic so it's lower, but there. But that doesn't matter. Provide facts that show he needs to condemn them? Have they rioted, looted, murdered, injured cops etc? Nope, you are a low information, hate inciting, liar. No Facts Just Feelings and deflection
Kemp Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Albwan said: 6 minutes ago, Albwan said: He actually did multiple times. In fact he did as soon as the question was answered he wasn't facing the mic so it's lower, but there. But that doesn't matter. Provide facts that show he needs to condemn them? Have they rioted, looted, murdered, injured cops etc? Nope, you are a low information, hate inciting, liar. When asked about anti-Semitism - which was rife among his supporters and lifelong associates - Corbyn would retreat to some broad formula about "all forms of racism." Just like Agent Orange.
GG Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 My guess is that this is part of the left's effort to characterize anyone who defends classical Western culture as white supremacists, while ignoring that roots of Western Culture are steeped in many coasts of the Mediterranean and the Fertile Crescent. That's why a Ben Shapiro or a Dennis Prager are considered alt-right by the imbeciles.
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