Proud Boys

[Alaska Darin]

Are we now pretending there aren't liberal anti-semites? 

[GG]

Just now, Alaska Darin said:

Are we now pretending there aren't liberal anti-semites? 

 

Of course not.  You're not an anti-semite when your intentions are good.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Dragoon said:

Of course not. However, I’m sure we disagree on which groups are white supremacists. So, no, I do not support racism, but I also don’t allow you, or any organization, to dictate to me which groups are racist. 

 

Anyone who offers supports to HATE groups is part of the problem

 

[Golden Goat]

39 minutes ago, Plano said:

Never speak on things in which you have no idea. It's a great example to follow. 

 

You should take your own advice. You mocked and disparaged an entire religious group based on your perception of a depicted few. If a Jewish person can't understand how that's wrong, perhaps another religion is more suited to you.
 

Edited October 1, 2020 by Golden Goat

[Deranged Rhino]

11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

Anyone who offers supports to HATE groups is part of the problem

 

 

I would argue anyone that lets the media -- who have proven to be liars and manipulators on socially engineered issues such as this -- drive their fears about any group really hasn't thought through the problem far enough. They want us divided. They want us fighting each other instead of solving actual problems. 

 

Why give in to their agenda? 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

 

You should take your own advice. You just mocked and disparaged an entire group based on your perception of a depicted few. As a Jew (ALLEGEDLY), you should know better. Shame on you.

 

Kind of like thinking that it's anti-semitic when you criticize Soros for funding far left causes, but it's not anti-semitic when you criticize members of Congress for being under the spell of Israeli Benjamins.

[Golden Goat]

18 minutes ago, GG said:

Kind of like thinking that it's anti-semitic when you criticize Soros for funding far left causes, but it's not anti-semitic when you criticize members of Congress for being under the spell of Israeli Benjamins.

The hypocrisy is maddening. 
 

Edited October 1, 2020 by Golden Goat

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Golden Goat said:

They hypocrisy is maddening. 

 

The entire leftist belief system is based on projection, fear, and hypocrisy. 

[Dragoon]

20 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

Anyone who offers supports to HATE groups is part of the problem

 

 

I was going to rebut but you really mic dropped me by capitalizing "hate." So...I'm checkmated...well played.  

[GG]

1 hour ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Cool.

 

He didn't at the debate.

 

Because he fell for a brilliant gambit by Biden who inserted Proud Boys right before Wallace named the actual white supremacist groups, and ADD Trump moved to the shiny object instead of staying on topic and asking Wallace to name the groups.  

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, GG said:

 

Because he fell for a brilliant gambit by Biden who inserted Proud Boys right before Wallace named the actual white supremacist groups, and ADD Trump moved to the shiny object instead of staying on topic and asking Wallace to name the groups.  

 

If that's a brilliant gambit what was George's crossing of the Delaware River?

[GG]

1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

If that's a brilliant gambit what was George's crossing of the Delaware River?

 

Probably on a run to pick up some slaves, or so I'm told by the new historians.

[Rob's House]

29 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

Anyone who offers supports to HATE groups is part of the problem

 

 

Who gets to determine which groups are HATE groups?

[ALF]

1 minute ago, Rob's House said:

 

Who gets to determine which groups are HATE groups?

 

FBI  ?

[Alaska Darin]

1 minute ago, Rob's House said:

 

Who gets to determine which groups are HATE groups?

Liberals. That's why theirs get convention time every four years.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Probably on a run to pick up some slaves, or so I'm told by the new historians.

 

This is your brain on 5G

[Paulus]

1 hour ago, Plano said:

PLEASE elaborate on Jewish Privilege. I'd love to hear it, as a Jewish person, totally would love to hear what you have to say.

 

Enlighten me. Go. 

Jewish people make up 3% of the US population and 1/3 of the top 1%. No other group is over represented in this fashion, per capita. 

 

Jewish people within the US the House and Senate are again overrepresented 3x compared to their US population presence. 

 

There are further education stats which Jewish people again show an overrepresentation, lack of non-Jewish diversity in the media and Hollywood, and an entire country dedicated the the Jewish people. I suppose the Catholics have Vatican City, but is that really given the same deference as Israel?

 

I believe in merit. And, have already asserted that this "privilege" stuff is BS, and have done so my entire life. But, when the intellectually lazy point and cry "white privilege" I ask them why they are so afraid of even considering Jewish Privilege (which they almost always are). It's like even talking about it isn't allowed. But, it's cool to raise a fist and decry white privilege according to the many, and blasted into our homes by the TV/media.

 

I believe in American Exceptionalism, and not intellectual laziness. Maybe, American isn't ready for that conversation, idk.

 

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by Paulus

[Dragoon]

3 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

Who gets to determine which groups are HATE groups?

 

The Left. Duh. They get to determine everything!

[Rob's House]

16 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

FBI  ?

 

Assuming for a moment that the FBI is the proper arbiter of such matters, what does that mean in this situation?

[B-Man]

 

 

BUMP.........

 

 

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

The press’s strange fascination with the Proud Boys

Why this obsessive push to vilify such an obscure group?

https://spectator.us/press-strange-fascination-proud-boys/

 

Tuesday night’s debate was full of strange moments, but the most bizarre of all may have come when Chris Wallace pressured Trump to condemn ‘white supremacists and militia groups’. When the President asked for an actual name, Joe Biden interrupted to announce the surprise debate appearance of Gavin McInnes’s all-male club, the Proud Boys.

 

While highly online individuals likely reacted much as McInnes did, Cockburn suspects the far more common reaction among the masses was, ‘who the hell are the Proud Boys?’

 

The Biden campaign and the press badly want Gavin McInnes’s expanded group of drinking buddies to be a household name, representing the horrifying specter of right-wing violence that is supposedly looming over America. Why this obsessive push to vilify such an obscure group? That is no mystery. For four months, rioters have torched and terrorized dozens of American cities. These were instigated and perpetrated by partisans of the left, while Democratic politicians made insane declarations about the need to abolish or defund the police. Belatedly, the Democrats have realized that burning cities and trashing civilization itself are a poor case for leadership. So, the effort is underway to rewrite four months of politically-motivated rioting as politically-agnostic ‘violence’.

 

In addition, the never-ending hunt for ‘racism’ in American life suffers from a lack of clear villains. The Ku Klux Klan is moribund and irrelevant, and all the high-profile hate crimes seem to be hoaxes. Progressives will feel far more reassured about this crusade if they can find some actual white supremacist terrorists, and the Proud Boys have been chosen as their target.

 

But the truth is that the Proud Boys are quite short on the evil so many want to foist on them, so this effort has a very desperate try-hard feeling to it.

 

In a post-debate writeup, NBC News said that the four-year-old group is ‘considered a violent…hate group’ by the Anti-Defamation League, which is NBC’s roundabout way of admitting that no memorable examples of Proud Boy atrocities come to mind. The group’s Wikipedia page has a Pravda-like quality to it: the site’s editors are frantic to mark the Proud Boys as supremely wicked, but instead they look supreme silly with subsections about the group ‘taunting soccer fans’ and having a ‘connection with Roger Stone’.

 

Last week, Oregon governor Kate Brown hysterically declared a state of emergency before a planned Proud Boys rally in Portland. The result: the only violence was between police and members of antifa.

 

Nobody has to engage in these contortions for antifa, despite Biden’s claim that the group is just an ‘idea’, like democracy or disestablishing the Church of England. Concocting a list of antifa actions is easy: in Minneapolis, they burned down a police station. In Portland, months of rioting have included a siege of a federal courthouse and the murder of a pro-Trump activist. (Biden fans will point to the teenage, right-wing killer in Wisconsin, but he was not affiliated with any well-known group). Those with a longer memory will recall the antifa associate who was killed while apparently trying to blow up an ICE facility in Washington. And, of course, antifa radicals are behind the most high-profile attacks on statues and monuments across the country.

 

The ‘white supremacist’ angle on the Proud Boys is even weaker than the violence one. Not only do the Proud Boys openly reject white supremacy or white nationalism, but simply looking at the group quickly reveals they are substantially less white than antifa. Besides McInnes himself, the most famous member of the group is likely Tusitala ‘Tiny’ Toese, a gigantic Polynesian man.

 

In 2018, the Daily Beast profiled Enrique Tarrio, the Afro-Cuban head of the Proud Boys Miami chapter.  The piece’s headline blared that ‘Young Men of Color are Joining White-Supremacist Groups’. Somehow Arun Gupta wrote, and the Beast published, that bit of analysis without pausing even a moment to reflect on how ridiculous they being. They aren’t alone; NPR’s ‘The Takeaway’ podcast brought on a law professor and a Southern Poverty Law Center associate to discuss the ‘rise of multiracial white supremacy.’.

 

Cockburn tries very hard to be a sophisticated intellect, but this trend is beyond him. If a group has a multiracial membership and explicitly rejects white supremacy, then perhaps the most reasonable explanation is that they are not, in fact, white supremacists? And if a group’s most violent actions are difficult to distinguish from a large bar fight, then perhaps it’s a bit silly for them to be targeted by the same press outlets that label riots as ‘fiery but mostly peaceful’.

 

 

 

Quick Note:  those of you simpleton's here, who will dismiss any informational article as "Defending the White Supremacists"

 

Don't bother.

 

You have already displayed your ignorance in this thread for the past two days, no one expects any more of you.