Back2Buff Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 When Hyde first came to Buffalo, he was excellent. Since that first season, there has been a pretty rapid decline. 2017: 13 Pass Defended, 5 Ints 2018: 5 Pass Defended, 2 Ints 2019: 2 Pass Defended, 1 Int 2020: 1 Pass Defended thus far. When you take a look at his last 15 games (including Houston game), he has one pass defended, that's it. He doesn't get sacks, and plays more of a FS role on this team. That is awful for a guy that is supposed to be roaming in the secondary. The only time I see Hyde on the field, is when he is making a tackle 15 yards down the field, or chasing a guy from behind. It seems like a wasted position to me. I would rather have a guy out there like Neal, who can cause havoc. You don't need to be worried about getting beat over the top when you are applying more pressure. 1 7
Shaw66 Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 You won't be saying this in November and December. The defense will be fine then, and Hyde will be a key. 14 1
716er Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 Wasn't Hyde more of a coverage safety his first season? I guess this is something to watch but I haven't noticed any significant decline in his play. He made a couple awesome plays @ Miami - including at the goal line
Back2Buff Posted September 28, 2020 Author Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: You won't be saying this in November and December. The defense will be fine then, and Hyde will be a key. This isn't a recent problem with Hyde. He has been invisible for a long time now. 2
WideNine Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: When Hyde first came to Buffalo, he was excellent. Since that first season, there has been a pretty rapid decline. 2017: 13 Pass Defended, 5 Ints 2018: 5 Pass Defended, 2 Ints 2019: 2 Pass Defended, 1 Int 2020: 1 Pass Defended thus far. When you take a look at his last 15 games (including Houston game), he has one pass defended, that's it. He doesn't get sacks, and plays more of a FS role on this team. That is awful for a guy that is supposed to be roaming in the secondary. The only time I see Hyde on the field, is when he is making a tackle 15 yards down the field, or chasing a guy from behind. It seems like a wasted position to me. I would rather have a guy out there like Neal, who can cause havoc. You don't need to be worried about getting beat over the top when you are applying more pressure. I wont say the production has fallen some, but Hyde injured his ankle in week 1 and reinjured it (I think it is the same ankle) this game. We have a lot of players playing hurt. Hopefully get all that bad ju-ju out of the way early this year and be healthier down the stretch.
Back2Buff Posted September 28, 2020 Author Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, NewEra said: Hyde is just fine. Stop What is he fine at doing? I know he is everyone darling with the way he came into the organization, but you have to look at his play recently. He is not an impact player.
NewEra Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Back2Buff said: What is he fine at doing? I know he is everyone darling with the way he came into the organization, but you have to look at his play recently. He is not an impact player. Playing football 1
Dr. Who Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 I suspect Hyde will be fine, but as an UGA fan, I'd like to add that though you may have to trade up from #32 to get him, Richard LeCounte lll ought to be on your radar screen. 1
JGMcD2 Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: What is he fine at doing? I know he is everyone darling with the way he came into the organization, but you have to look at his play recently. He is not an impact player. I didn’t realize that the box score is where impact players are found. I bet that’s how all of the high-end, progressive organizations find impact players... someone should let Beane know.
syhuang Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 Most know 'pass defended' and 'interception' could be misleading in comparing cornerbacks because when cornerbacks are in good position to defend, quarterbacks may not throw the pass and go to their next reads. In the same note, are 'pass defended' and 'interception' really good stats to evaluate safeties? BTW, even though Hyde has a drop-off in 'passed defneded' and 'int', he was ranked quite high in several rankings: For example: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/top-safeties-in-the-nfl/ 1
thenorthremembers Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 The safeties are both nearing the NFL edge, it happens. Poyer is the better player right now, but Hyde has also been banged up this year. They will need a youth movement at the position soon, but for now they are still one of the better pairs in the league. 1
Rc2catch Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 You can find a stat page to support just about anything. Secondary is hit and miss when it comes to stats on paper. Is Hyde a liability against the pass? Is he letting receivers get over the top for long completions? We shall see in the Seattle games and some others who are killing teams on deep completions over the top how valuable Hyde is to this defense. Right?
Freddie's Dead Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 Hyde is a leader on this defense, and with Poyer is the best safety duo in the league. 3
Coach Tuesday Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 I’m not sure I agree but the best evidence of where they think their needs are is who they scout - and by many accounts Kyle Dugger was their top choice in the draft. He’s more of a box safety, like Poyer. I do think that a rangy free safety to someday replace Hyde is a sneaky long-term need for this team but Hyde is far from the weakest link on that defense. Start with Horrible Harry there - his play yesterday matched his nickname. Maybe he’s not healthy yet. Butler was bad too and he doesn’t have an injury excuse that I know of... 1
Warcodered Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: When Hyde first came to Buffalo, he was excellent. Since that first season, there has been a pretty rapid decline. 2017: 13 Pass Defended, 5 Ints 2018: 5 Pass Defended, 2 Ints 2019: 2 Pass Defended, 1 Int 2020: 1 Pass Defended thus far. When you take a look at his last 15 games (including Houston game), he has one pass defended, that's it. He doesn't get sacks, and plays more of a FS role on this team. That is awful for a guy that is supposed to be roaming in the secondary. The only time I see Hyde on the field, is when he is making a tackle 15 yards down the field, or chasing a guy from behind. It seems like a wasted position to me. I would rather have a guy out there like Neal, who can cause havoc. You don't need to be worried about getting beat over the top when you are applying more pressure. I don't know maybe after he started playing so well teams decided to you know not throw at him. 1 2
Johnnycage46 Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: What is he fine at doing? I know he is everyone darling with the way he came into the organization, but you have to look at his play recently. He is not an impact player. What is he bad at? 2
Max Fischer Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 What you meant to say is, "I don't know Hyde's role and I found some stats to make a bogus point." 2 3 1 2
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