JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: opinionated seeing Trevor not even hit the NFL yet... Lets see Trevor hit the NFL level and then find out who will be better or worse.. Don't get me wrong.. I love the chatter going on but this kind of opinionated talk borderlines on silliness Trevor is nothing special, honestly. He's just another prospect on a loaded Clemson team. He relies on the horizontal game a lot; checkdowns to the RB. His arm talent is above average but not elite. He throws to open receivers rather than throw receivers open. I think Zach Wilson ends up as the #1 QB from this draft in the long run.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: opinionated seeing Trevor not even hit the NFL yet... Lets see Trevor hit the NFL level and then find out who will be better or worse.. Don't get me wrong.. I love the chatter going on but this kind of opinionated talk borderlines on silliness I mean Josh was always viewed as one of the most talented prospects to ever come out with regards to physical skills. I think that is what Cosell is talking about. Lawerence has some nice physical skills and traits as well but I don't think it is too early to say that Josh's physical traits and skills are better. Cosell isn't saying Lawerence won't be a better QB than Allen just that he doesn't have as elite a skill set. Josh was not a generational talent coming out of college because he had not yet shown at that point that he had put all those physical traits and skills together.
PrimeTime101 Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, JoshAllenReceipts said: Trevor is nothing special, honestly. He's just another prospect on a loaded Clemson team. He relies on the horizontal game a lot; checkdowns to the RB. His arm talent is above average but not elite. He throws to open receivers rather than throw receivers open. I think Zach Wilson ends up as the #1 QB from this draft in the long run. Yea well lots of people said that about Josh... The horrible narrative that players cant get better at the NFL level is hat.. horrible. I'm not going to begin to assume one way or another due to the learning lessons of our own QB.. its foolhardy. Scouting and GM look at the player.. diagnose what they have in front of them then after that the position is a crap shoot for early round QB's. 5 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I mean Josh was always viewed as one of the most talented prospects to ever come out with regards to physical skills. I think that is what Cosell is talking about. Lawerence has some nice physical skills and traits as well but I don't think it is too early to say that Josh's physical traits and skills are better. Cosell isn't saying Lawerence won't be a better QB than Allen just that he doesn't have as elite a skill set. Josh was not a generational talent coming out of college because he had not yet shown at that point that he had put all those physical traits and skills together. Exactly.. and we wont see that till the NFL level.. thats all I am saying..
Billever76 Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 On 12/29/2020 at 2:49 AM, Gene1973 said: I know people want Allen to win the MVP, it'd be nice, but Rodgers has a 44/5 TD/INT ratio, that ratio alone gets him MVP over Allen let alone the 10 more TD passes. Allen just has too many TO's in comparison. Not that it matters but Allen may have moved past Mahomes in the MVP talk. You are aware Allen has 43 total Tds right?
Doc Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 15 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: opinionated seeing Trevor not even hit the NFL yet... Lets see Trevor hit the NFL level and then find out who will be better or worse.. Don't get me wrong.. I love the chatter going on but this kind of opinionated talk borderlines on silliness It's an opinion (and opinions...), but Josh is arguably the best QB in the NFL right now, at least in the top-3, and Lawrence hasn't even played in the NFL. Lawrence has a long way to go before he can even be talked-about in the same sentence as Josh. I've seen too many guys get hyped before entering the NFL, only to fizzle or have middling careers. 1
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) Top 10 Throws of the 2020 NFL season, any QB: 1) Hail Murrayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHBBfHXTr9I 2) FitzMagichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2suPNTUYfwM 3) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs Cardinals 3:35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0WZQ_xIS3U 4) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs. Patriots (Wk 16) 3:53https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QLOuNRd_8 5) Josh Allen to Jake Kumerow vs. Broncos 2:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvHj5UgWYJE 6) Josh Allen to John Brown vs. Raiders 2:43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giqZnfGy0yM 7) Josh Allen to Cole Beasley vs. Broncos 1:05:10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCdokW3b8t0 8.) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs Broncos 3:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvHj5UgWYJE 9) Josh Allen to Gabriel Davis vs Steelers 1:46https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Y98ZRJnmE 10) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs Patriots 2:10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QLOuNRd_8 Edited January 3, 2021 by JoshAllenReceipts 3
Warcodered Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Probably going to have to wait for the salt to wash off before we get one from Shaq. 8
Doc Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 4 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Top 10 Throws of the 2020 NFL season, any QB: 1) Hail Murrayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHBBfHXTr9I 2) FitzMagichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2suPNTUYfwM 3) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs Cardinals 3:35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0WZQ_xIS3U 4) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs. Patriots (Wk 16) 3:53https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QLOuNRd_8 5) Josh Allen to Jake Kumerow vs. Broncos 2:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvHj5UgWYJE 6) Josh Allen to John Brown vs. Raiders 2:43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giqZnfGy0yM 7) Josh Allen to Cole Beasley vs. Broncos 1:05:10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCdokW3b8t0 8.) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs Broncos 3:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvHj5UgWYJE 9) Josh Allen to Gabriel Davis vs Steelers 1:46https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Y98ZRJnmE 10) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs Patriots 2:10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QLOuNRd_8 From where did you get this list? It’s 80% Josh. I put this at the top. He’s not even looking at McKenzie. If this were Mahomes, they’d be slobbering all over this. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CJmFAzmJIjP/?igshid=2dpjhwhrl76b 5
K-9 Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 4 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Top 10 Throws of the 2020 NFL season, any QB: 1) Hail Murrayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHBBfHXTr9I 2) FitzMagichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2suPNTUYfwM 3) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs Cardinals 3:35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0WZQ_xIS3U 4) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs. Patriots (Wk 16) 3:53https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QLOuNRd_8 5) Josh Allen to Jake Kumerow vs. Broncos 2:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvHj5UgWYJE 6) Josh Allen to John Brown vs. Raiders 2:43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giqZnfGy0yM 7) Josh Allen to Cole Beasley vs. Broncos 1:05:10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCdokW3b8t0 8.) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs Broncos 3:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvHj5UgWYJE 9) Josh Allen to Gabriel Davis vs Steelers 1:46https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Y98ZRJnmE 10) Josh Allen to Stefon Diggs vs Patriots 2:10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QLOuNRd_8 There is nothing about the Hail Murray that qualifies as a top pass this year. A top reception? Definitely. But there is nothing special about a QB heaving a ball to the endzone and hoping for the best. 9
Nick the Greek Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 And to think there are people out there that never thought he’d pass over 60%. 2
Mango Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nick the Greek said: And to think there are people out there that never thought he’d pass over 60%. I took the under at like week 6 on 65% in another thread. And I was still going to be happy with the jump! Haha. He was down and at 67% I think, and trending down.
Alphadawg7 Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Nick the Greek said: And to think there are people out there that never thought he’d pass over 60%. A fellow TSW poster bet me $100 he would not be a 60% passer or better before the season began. He honorably reached out to me a few days ago and paid me without me even asking him about it yet. Classy move @TwistofFate, very classy move. Mad respect to him as a poster for honoring his bet. And I know he much preferred to lose that bet since it meant Allen was having a great season. If anyone is about to enter into a friendly wager with him in the future, I can vouch for him having the integrity to bet with. Cheers sir 6 9
TwistofFate Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: A fellow TSW poster bet me $100 he would not be a 60% passer or better before the season began. He honorably reached out to me a few days ago and paid me without me even asking him about it yet. Classy move @TwistofFate, very classy move. Mad respect to him as a poster for honoring his bet. And I know he much preferred to lose that bet since it meant Allen was having a great season. If anyone is about to enter into a friendly wager with him in the future, I can vouch for him having the integrity to bet with. Cheers sir I've been called a troll and worse by many this off season for my views and opinions of Allen, but he defied all the odds this season with an UNPRECEDENTED season performance. As Mitch Morse would say, kudos to him. I'm a man of my word and most definitely a Bills die hard! Go Bills!!! Super Bowl!!!! Edited January 3, 2021 by TwistofFate 10 3 1
WideNine Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) On 1/1/2021 at 10:37 PM, transplantbillsfan said: And the thing is.... that's his entire NFL career. Allen became a superstar this year, but he was never nearly as bad as portrayed nationally in his first 2 years. Just listen to the national media narrative from absolutely everyone... the belief is he was awful his first 2 years when the reality is he was a rookie with an untalented skilled position corps in year 1 (Robert Foster as his #1 WR???), he actually improved dramatically in year 2 but suffered from the highest drop % in the NFL and led his team to a playoff clinching win against the Steelers on SNF and might've had a playoff victory if not for the burden of feeling he needed to carry the team combined with youth... and here we are in year 3. I would also offer that Allen’s OL has been absolutely incredible this year. I thought Allen would be an MVP candidate last year. I was wrong and was obviously a year early, but you certainly saw this as a likelihood in year 2 (and year 1... if you were looking) in terms of Allen becoming a stud. I remember when you virtually stormed off and declared you were starting this post and would maintain it and folks would see Allen's growth. I too was pushing back against the doom and gloom analytics folks and asking for patience so we could see how the young man's game would trend over time. I never liked the idea of representing a player with upside as a single point on a graph. Close the book, drop the mic... whatever. I expected Allen to get better. He has exceeded those expectations. I have been blown away...Allen is driven to improve his game. A nod to Daboll, Dorsey, and the Bills FO for protecting him better,, and finding/surrounding Allen with better receivers that can separate AND catch the ball. Edited January 4, 2021 by WideNine 2
Warcodered Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, WideNine said: I remember when you virtually stormed off and declared you were starting this post and would maintain it and folks would see Allen's growth. I too was pushing back against the doom and gloom analytics folks and asking for patience so we could see how the young man's game would trend over time. I never liked the idea of representing a player with upside as a single point on a graph. Close the book, drop the mic... whatever. I expected Allen to get better. He has exceeded those expectations. I have been blown away.. A nod to Daboll, Dorsey, and the Bills FO for protecting him better,, and finding/surrounding Allen with better receivers that can separate AND catch the ball. @transplantbillsfan was literally just a year early.
WideNine Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: @transplantbillsfan was literally just a year early. The rapid ascent of this whole team has shocked me...of course it happens when we can't be in the stands, but I will still take it.. I will be cheeky and say it will give the team a reason to repeat next season once Covid restrictions lift. I am so unaccustomed to this level of confidence in my Bills. It feels disturbingly wrong like a sin that I need to confess. 3 1
folz Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) Josh Allen ended the season: - 2nd in total TDs for QBs with 46 (only 1 behind Rodgers' 47) - 3rd in yards from scrimmage for QBs with 4,977 (behind only Watson and Mahomes) - 4th in QBR at 107.2 (behind only Rodgers 119.4; Watson 112.1; and Mahomes 108.2) (for passers with more than 67 attempts) - Final completion % was 69.2...good for 6th in the league for passers with more than 121 attempts (eliminating Taysom Hill since he only threw 20% of the passes that Josh did) and he helped Diggs to #1 in receptions and #1 in receiving yards A true dynamic duo! And a true MVP (whether given the title or not)! And not specifically JA related, but... - the averaged score of the last six Bills games is 38-18 (a 20-point differential) - and the Bills finished 2nd in the league in scoring (only 8 points behind Green Bay) Edited January 4, 2021 by folz 1
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, folz said: Josh Allen ended the season: - 2nd in yards from scrimmage for QBs with 4,977 (only 71 yards behind Mahomes---granted Josh got 1 more half game than Mahomes did, today) Actually Watson finished ahead of both.
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