SoCal Deek Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 I have absolutely no idea what you people are all talking about. The rules are established within our current system. If you don’t like them either change them or wait until it’s your turn in power because the pendulum swings both ways. The core of the problem, and so many others, is that Donald Trump won the presidency four years ago when the entire DC and media establishment KNEW that he didn’t stand a chance. They were all wrong! If they were honest brokers RBG would’ve retired when Obama was still President and the Comey Show would’ve never tried playing around with the election. Too bad! Screw them all....confirm ACB. 2 1
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 11:34 AM, SoCal Deek said: I have absolutely no idea what you people are all talking about. The rules are established within our current system. If you don’t like them either change them or wait until it’s your turn in power because the pendulum swings both ways. The core of the problem, and so many others, is that Donald Trump won the presidency four years ago when the entire DC and media establishment KNEW that he didn’t stand a chance. They were all wrong! If they were honest brokers RBG would’ve retired when Obama was still President and the Comey Show would’ve never tried playing around with the election. Too bad! Screw them all....confirm ACB. Expand Exactly. Then when the pendulum swings back Dem as the polls and early voting are pointing to, change the rules by adding a couple more justices.
North Buffalo Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 You guys are idiots... Biden isnt packing the court... could see Trump trying.... Biden is to much of a traditionalist to go down that route.. 2
BillsFanNC Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 12:19 PM, Backintheday544 said: Exactly. Then when the pendulum swings back Dem as the polls and early voting are pointing to, change the rules by adding a couple more justices. Expand So when the pendulum swings back again add even more. Let's get to 57 justices. On 10/13/2020 at 12:21 PM, North Buffalo said: You guys are idiots... Biden isnt packing the court... could see Trump trying.... Biden is to much of a traditionalist to go down that route.. Expand You may be right, but Kamala?
dickleyjones Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 What is the issue here? Rs are in charge, they can do as they please, within the rules, including changing some rules. If and when the Ds are in charge, they can do as they please, same rules apply. Seems simple to me. 1
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 12:25 PM, BillsFanNC said: So when the pendulum swings back again add even more. Let's get to 57 justices. Expand Sure, who knows when that will be. Texas may not go blue this year but the demographics are changing and will be blue soon. A blue Texas would change the electoral college math for a long time. We won't see any changes with governors this year, but as the Dems get more.local control, and judges are starting to fight against racist gerrymandering, we will see fairer districts in states as well.
oldmanfan Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 She's qualified to sit on the bench. I am sure I won't agree with some of her decisions, much like I don't agree with some liberal justice opinions, but there's really no questioning her qualifications. Regarding the packing stuff, McConnell was ridiculous on what they did with Garland, and two faced with this nomination. f I were Biden, I would say something to this effect when asked the question: The Republican Senate claims that the people spoke about what they want for the court when they elected a Republican Senate in 2016 and 2018. If the democrats take control of the Senate this election, as well as the Executive branch, and also continue to hold the House, would it not be evidence of the people's will in terms of what they want for the judiciary? I am not a proponent of adding justices to the court, but in our representative democracy the will of the people must be heard just as Mr McConnell and his colleagues have stated. 2
The Frankish Reich Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 12:37 PM, oldmanfan said: She's qualified to sit on the bench. I am sure I won't agree with some of her decisions, much like I don't agree with some liberal justice opinions, but there's really no questioning her qualifications. Regarding the packing stuff, McConnell was ridiculous on what they did with Garland, and two faced with this nomination. f I were Biden, I would say something to this effect when asked the question: The Republican Senate claims that the people spoke about what they want for the court when they elected a Republican Senate in 2016 and 2018. If the democrats take control of the Senate this election, as well as the Executive branch, and also continue to hold the House, would it not be evidence of the people's will in terms of what they want for the judiciary? I am not a proponent of adding justices to the court, but in our representative democracy the will of the people must be heard just as Mr McConnell and his colleagues have stated. Expand Excellent comment.
Koko78 Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 12:37 PM, oldmanfan said: Regarding the packing stuff, McConnell was ridiculous on what they did with Garland, and two faced with this nomination. f I were Biden, I would say something to this effect when asked the question: Expand Biden can't say much, because it was HIS suggestion McConnell followed. They were calling it the 'Biden Rule' in 2016 for a reason - it was his brainchild back when he was the head of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
3rdnlng Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 Keep this in mind people: The American people have their voice in the House of Representatives, the states have their voice in the Senate while the administration executes the laws passed by the House and Senate. The SCOTUS rules on the constitutionality of the laws by Congress and the actions by the Executive branch. Nowhere is the Supreme Court a voice of the people. The people have their voice through their representative and by amending the Constitution. 2 1
spartacus Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 12:25 PM, BillsFanNC said: So when the pendulum swings back again add even more. Let's get to 57 justices. Expand match the # of states
BillsFanNC Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 12:32 PM, Backintheday544 said: Sure, who knows when that will be. Texas may not go blue this year but the demographics are changing and will be blue soon. A blue Texas would change the electoral college math for a long time. We won't see any changes with governors this year, but as the Dems get more.local control, and judges are starting to fight against racist gerrymandering, we will see fairer districts in states as well. Expand And when the pendulum does swing back, will court packing be a bad idea again?
oldmanfan Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 1:26 PM, 3rdnlng said: Keep this in mind people: The American people have their voice in the House of Representatives, the states have their voice in the Senate while the administration executes the laws passed by the House and Senate. The SCOTUS rules on the constitutionality of the laws by Congress and the actions by the Executive branch. Nowhere is the Supreme Court a voice of the people. The people have their voice through their representative and by amending the Constitution. Expand Republicans should have kept this in mind with Garland
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 1:43 PM, BillsFanNC said: And when the pendulum does swing back, will court packing be a bad idea again? Expand If it's within the rules and represents the voice of Americans, then yes.
BillsFanNC Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 1:46 PM, Backintheday544 said: If it's within the rules and represents the voice of Americans, then yes. Expand Not sure I'm following. If Biden wins and pursues court packing you support that, correct? My question is when the pendulum swings back to republican control would you continue to support court packing?
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 1:50 PM, BillsFanNC said: Not sure I'm following. If Biden wins and pursues court packing you support that, correct? My question is when the pendulum swings back to republican control would you continue to support court packing? Expand Yes I would be fine with it as long as it's within whatever rules exist at that time.
Cinga Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 2:11 AM, Backintheday544 said: The Republicans should fill this seat. It's in the Constitution that they can. However, it also was that Garland should have been brought to the Senate. Republicans betrayed that. They're going back on their word now. Lindsey Grahams spine looks worse than Daks foot. I didn't say how the amendment process works, I just said start the process. Give those.700,000 US citizens taxation with representation. Expand On 10/13/2020 at 2:47 AM, The Frankish Reich said: As with "court packing," there would be nothing unconstitutional about creating a state out of most of the District of Columbia. The constitution establishes a federal district, which initially included Arlington, Virginia, which was ceded back to the State of Virginia later on. My favored solution to enfranchise DC residents would be to cede much of the District to Maryland. But that won't happen -- it would disrupt political interests within Maryland, and -- let's be honest -- wouldn't accomplish the goal of getting 2 more Democratic senators. But the plans do not run afoul of the Constitution. It's a political issue, and it will be settled at the ballot box next month. Expand First, I don't buy into the narrative of no representation. DC is most certainly represented by 435 Representatives, and 100 Senators. 30% of their revenue is provided by that Congress as Federal Funds as well. It must even be noted that over half that DC population of 700 thousand are actually there as federal employees and not necessarily native residents. At the writing of the Constitution, land was carved out of Virginia and Maryland to create the District of Columbia. Since that time, their portion has been given back to Virginia. So if they indeed want their own representation instead of sharing with the 50 states then return that portion the the state of Maryland since it would only be fair.
BillsFanNC Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 1:52 PM, Backintheday544 said: Yes I would be fine with it as long as it's within whatever rules exist at that time. Expand And you don't see any problem with that concept in terms of separation of powers among the branches of government?
Gary M Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/12/2020 at 10:30 PM, The Frankish Reich said: - supported an argument in the Supreme Court that it must be invalidated because the individual mandate exceeded federal powers - lost that argument when Chief Justice Roberts reconceptualized the mandate as a valid "tax" Expand https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/obama-in-2009-its-not-a-tax
unbillievable Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 1:45 PM, oldmanfan said: Republicans should have kept this in mind with Garland Expand Reid did it first. Democrats were warned what would happen. They're being warned again about packing the court. If the Dems do it, it will mark the end of America; permanently destroying a branch of the government.
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