Tiberius Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 48 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Trump's master strategy is to get a large segment of the population to falsely believe that any result that doesn't show him winning is illegitimate. After he loses the election, he will falsely claim that his loss is because of ballot fraud. He will then mount legal challenges in tightly contested states and drag them out with the goal of the Supreme Court, with its conservative majority, ultimately overriding the election results and keeping him in power despite his losing the election. This is the plan, and the best way to stop it is for him to be so soundly defeated that he has no ground to stand on. To be clear, here are the facts: Trump is losing and has been losing all year in all of the polls (yes, even Republican-leaning ones). Trump's campaign has admitted that they are looking for ways to get around the election results and keep him in power. (!) Trump has said publicly that any result that doesn't show him winning is illegitimate, a totally false claim. Trump has said publicly that he won't commit to accepting the election results or peacefully transferring power if he loses. These facts should scare you. They should spur you to action. What kind of country does this sound like? Republicans and Democrats alike must come together to preserve the United States and the promise of its future. We must stop this slide into unprecedented corruption. Our constitutional republic is teetering on the brink. On what basis do YOU measure public opinion? Why do you think the left's only chance is cheating? Do you just believe every conspiracy your liar-in-chief feeds you? Is that what you follow instead of polls? He could send in the Postal Service police and have them seize the ballots because of some obscure threat from China. They will be destroyed and the new SC majority could simply bless that.
keepthefaith Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He could send in the Postal Service police and have them seize the ballots because of some obscure threat from China. They will be destroyed and the new SC majority could simply bless that. Another reason why widespread voting by mail is just plain stupid. There are simply too many opportunities for abuse on either side. People should vote physically at the polls, on the same day or same couple days and identify themselves in the process. Only true absentee-ism should be an exception and that should be a small slice of voters. This is how you maintain purity and integrity in elections and limit doubt and tangential legal fights after the fact. This is how the will of the people should be measured. This seemed to work well for 200+ years. Edited September 24, 2020 by keepthefaith
Tiberius Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Another reason why widespread voting by mail is just plain stupid. T Because Trump might steal them!?!? Seriously? 2
Cinga Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 54 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He could send in the Postal Service police and have them seize the ballots because of some obscure threat from China. They will be destroyed and the new SC majority could simply bless that. Can't make this stuff up can you? Oh, wait.... you did.... 1
Tiberius Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cinga said: Can't make this stuff up can you? Oh, wait.... you did.... Do you think it would be wrong if Trump did that? 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, LB3 said: He said that if the Dems don't steal the election using ballot harvesting, he'll win again. A continuation. He's right. Cheating is the only chance the left has. As an aside, do you not realize this is the exact same meltdown you were told to have in 2016? The left panicked at what would happen if Trump lost and wouldn't accept it . Ironically enough, the outgoing President did not allow a peaceful transition. The left has been in a perpetual meltdown ever since. That's not what he said. Go smoke a joint and relax. Go smoke a joint yourself.... Or don't if you are. If the Dem's don't steal the election, He has ZERO proof of any substantial Voter Fraud. if you call .003% substantial, the joke is on you. He was asked by a federal judge in PA to prove his claim. No claim was offered. The Trump campaign and Republicans had refused to do so. He knows he's losing. He will say and do anything to get his base behind him and keep these Alternate Facts a topic. Trump himself was surprised he won the election. It was a publicity stunt to him. Trump himself the EC is a crock of shite. Yet, it got him elected. Meltdown or delusion, which is worse? The question asked “Mr. President, real quickly, win, lose or draw in this election, will you commit here today for a peaceful transferal of power after the election?” asked reporter Brian Karem. — will you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferal of power after the election? Well, we’re going to have to see what happens,” Trump responded. I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster.” “I understand that, but people are rioting,” Karem said. “Do you commit to making a peaceful transferal of power...” “Get rid of the ballots and you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there will be a continuation,” Trump said. “The ballots are out of control. You know it, and you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anybody else.” Edited September 24, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Trump's refusal to commit to peaceful transfer of power provokes outrage, rebukes on Capitol Hill In an interview with Fox News radio on Thursday morning, Trump reiterated his refusal to commit to the results and again suggested the election would be determined by the Supreme Court. “Oh, that I would agree with [the court’s ruling], but I think we have a long way before we get there,” the president said. “These ballots are a horror show." Republicans did not explicitly condemn Trump’s comments or mention the president by name but reinforced the importance of a peaceful transition of power. “The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th,” wrote Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell Thursday morning. “There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792.” “Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus,” Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah tweeted Wednesday evening. “Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable.” So, are Mitch and Mitt lying?
Cinga Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Do you think it would be wrong if Trump did that? So you, like Biden, don't see China as a threat huh?
Tiberius Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Cinga said: So you, like Biden, don't see China as a threat huh? So. you are saying you will accept a coup. That's not a question
B-Man Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 President Trump won't commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election! You've seen the headlines. They're the drama of the day, extracted from yesterday's press briefing where a reporter said words that Trump chose not to repeat. It was a trap, and I presume Trump could see the various ways it would function as a trap, depending on how he answered. Let's look at the original text: Speaker 2: Win, lose, or draw in this election. Will you commit here today for a peaceful transfer of power after the election... There’s been rioting in many cities across this country.... Will you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferral of power after the election?President Donald Trump: Well, we’re going to have to see what happens. You know that I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster.Speaker 2: I understand that but people are rioting. Do you commit to making sure that there’s a peaceful transferal of power?President Donald Trump: We want to have… Get rid of the ballots and we’ll have a very peaceful… There won’t be a transfer frankly, there’ll be a continuation. The ballots are out of control. You know it, and you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anybody else. Let's break it down: Will you commit here today for a peaceful transfer of power after the election... Will you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferral of power after the election? First of all — I have a tag for that. It's an insidious phrase, used by politicians to gloss over how they will achieve whatever the end is. Add "commit" to that, and you're deeper into fantasy land — "commit to making sure." Who can do that?! Where is this lack of peace coming from? How could Trump know in advance? It could be a crazy tantrum by people who hate him and who are saying we'll only stop if you resist litigating about voting fraud. Trump needs to reserve his right — and responsibility — to ensure that we get a fair and accurate vote count. He can't be at the mercy of the protesters and rioters. The question is quite obviously a trap, and Trump calmly stakes out appropriate ground: Well, we’re going to have to see what happens. You know that I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster. He means the mail-in ballots. He's preserving his right to investigate and litigate over fraud and abnormalities. He goes right to that topic rather than to engage on the reporter's VIOLENCE!!! gambit. The reporter tries again: I understand that but people are rioting. Do you commit to making sure that there’s a peaceful transferral of power? Huh?? People are rioting now, and not over the election which hasn't happened yet. Why bring up these riots? To establish that people have a propensity to riot? How does that connect to a "transferral of power"? There's only a need for a "transferral of power" if Biden wins, and the lack of peace in question seems to be the pro-Biden forces rioting because they think Biden has won or should have won. How does this demand for Trump to "commit to making sure" make any sense except to extract words from him that will be used to force him — under threat of violence — to forgo challenging the apparent result of the election if the initial vote count favors Biden? Well, I'm sure they'd also like Trump to politely relinquish his own victory if Biden comes forward with trays of late mail-in ballots where needed in this or that purple state. Trump responds, once again stressing the need for a fair election and not getting bullied into caving to a threat of violence. It's quite a tangle, so I'll go phrase by phrase: We want to have… This is the beginning of a sentence he doesn't finish, but I presume it would have ended something like "a fair election." Get rid of the ballots and we’ll have a very peaceful… Again, he ends before finishing the sentence. The first part sounds like he doesn't even want to have an election, but a sympathetic listener assumes he meant get rid of the mail-in ballots. There won’t be a transfer frankly, there’ll be a continuation. Obviously, he stopped after "we’ll have a very peaceful" because he realized that to say "transferral of power" would be to predict that Biden would win. But, no, he predicts "a continuation": He will win. The ballots are out of control. He returns to his original response to the question: There's a problem with the mail-in voting. You know it, and you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anybody else. Everybody knows there's a problem with the voting, he's saying, and he's not going to get deflected from talking about it. He sees the reporter and the Democrats doing battlefield prep for the post-Election Day litigation, and he's not giving away anything. So he avoided that trap, but he couldn't keep them from spinning what they had, and that's why we have this morning's bull#### headline: President Trump won't commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election! ADDED: According to Axios, "Republicans condemn Trump's refusal to commit to peaceful transfer of power." But there's no condemnation in sight! Here are the quotes: Mitch McConnell: "The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792." No condemnation Nothing about threats of violence. No specification of a "transferral." Nothing in this statement that Trump wouldn't go along with. There needs to be a "winner," and then there will be an "orderly transition." There's nothing about the relationship to the recent rioting in the streets, and there's nothing about the possible litigation phase that may be needed before we have a "winner." {snip} 10 or more multiple GOP examples given No one condemned Trump's refusal. Not one Republican said Trump was wrong not to voice the words the reporter wanted him to say. The Axios headline is unsupported by the text and disgustingly misleading. Fake news. I'm not going to riot in the street about it, but I'm seriously irked. And I'm a swing voter in Wisconsin. Posted by Ann Althouse https://althouse.blogspot.com/2020/09/president-trump-wont-commit-to-peaceful.html 1
Tiberius Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: My new ring tone Love it!
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, BillStime said: My new ring tone VOTE HIM OUT VOTE HIM OUT VOTE HIM OUT VOTE HIM OUT VOTE HIM OUT Vote Twice, Once by mail and once in person VOTE HIM OUT VOTE HIM OUT VOTE HIM OUT 1
BillsToast Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Because mail-in voting would never have fraud... already https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdpa/pr/statement-us-attorney-freed-inquiry-reports-potential-issues-mail-ballots 1
WEATHER DOT COM Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, BillsToast said: Because mail-in voting would never have fraud... already https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdpa/pr/statement-us-attorney-freed-inquiry-reports-potential-issues-mail-ballots Military ballots? Those are absentee.
Unforgiven Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Fraud fox news radio keeps repeating over and over all day how Trump said he won't peacefully leave. Then the dumb ^%$# gleefully reports how Biden has 500 deep state swamp rats endorsing him. 1
BillsToast Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Military ballots? Those are absentee. Not necessarily, and this is considered mail-in so I'll go with the evidence.
Cinga Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: So. you are saying you will accept a coup. That's not a question Typical Demonrat... Accuse the other side of stuff you have actually done...
Niagara Bill Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Tiberius said: He could send in the Postal Service police and have them seize the ballots because of some obscure threat from China. They will be destroyed and the new SC majority could simply bless that. Newman! 1
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