Kelly the Dog Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I was assured he was the next Aaron Donald. Second to the last of the Mohicans is still pretty good. 3 1
tomur67 Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Yes, I was disappointed that they missed out on Baker. But, I fell in LOVE with him watching him play in that first Minnesota Vikings game. I think that game won him over with the fans and his teammates as well.
K-9 Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: You'll keep waiting until he shows me Donald status. In fact, this week would be a PERFECT time to show he's the next Aaron Donald. Anything short of being Aaron Donald? That is criminally unfair to Oliver. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, K-9 said: Anything short of being Aaron Donald? That is criminally unfair to Oliver. I've already SOMEWHAT eaten crow on Ed last season. It's in the history. But, I won't deny mourning when I see Metcalf making huge plays in Seattle.
Coach Tuesday Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: I've already SOMEWHAT eaten crow on Ed last season. It's in the history. But, I won't deny mourning when I see Metcalf making huge plays in Seattle. They could have had BOTH. Your beef should be with Cody Ford, not sure why you're making it so hard on yourself. 5 1
K-9 Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I've already SOMEWHAT eaten crow on Ed last season. It's in the history. But, I won't deny mourning when I see Metcalf making huge plays in Seattle. I’ll keep waiting on Metcalf until he shows me Randy Moss status. Seriously though, while I still feel Metcalf is limited athletically in what he can do, he is GREAT at what he is asked to do. He’s a weapon out there and it would be fun to see what he could do with Allen chucking the rock to him on go routes. 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 People are setting themselves up for disappointment. This thread is a week too early.
Logic Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I've already SOMEWHAT eaten crow on Ed last season. It's in the history. But, I won't deny mourning when I see Metcalf making huge plays in Seattle. I don't see why "Metcalf over Oliver" is even a discussion. We could have had BOTH. I will eat crow on my assertion that Ford was the right pick over Metcalf. While I believe that offensive line trumps wide receivers in importance, Ford has not shown himself to be anything better than a replacement level guard, while Metcalf is clearly an ascending star at WR. So yeah, forget picking Oliver over Metcalf. That was the right move. It's picking FORD over Metcalf that was, in retrospect, no bueno. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Logic said: I don't see why "Metcalf over Oliver" is even a discussion. We could have had BOTH. I will eat crow on my assertion that Ford was the right pick over Metcalf. While I believe that offensive line trumps wide receivers in importance, Ford has not shown himself to be anything better than a replacement level guard, while Metcalf is clearly an ascending star at WR. So yeah, forget picking Oliver over Metcalf. That was the right move. It's picking FORD over Metcalf that was, in retrospect, no bueno. Metcalf means no Diggs, who is significantly better at this point. Although we would have an extra #1 instead of Ford. 2
HappyDays Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 I was disappointed when Mayfield and Darnold got picked, they were my top 2 that year. I was one of the few on here that liked Lamar Jackson a lot but I knew the Bills weren't going to pick him. At that point I was ready to settle for Rosen even though I thought he was too much of a statue in the pocket to become a top tier QB - you can't be a top QB in the modern NFL without some level of athleticism. But I wanted nothing to do with Allen. His profile of QB has busted so many times I just wasn't comfortable with it. The biggest thing I missed is his athleticism. I gave way too much credence to his scouting reports and they didn't mention his elite strength and scramble ability. That alone would have made me feel better even in light of his flaws. I also didn't like Mahomes or Watson so turns out I'm really really bad at this. I have officially given up trying to have an opinion on QBs before they hit the NFL so you can all be spared my bad takes in the future. 2
Coach Tuesday Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Logic said: I don't see why "Metcalf over Oliver" is even a discussion. We could have had BOTH. I will eat crow on my assertion that Ford was the right pick over Metcalf. While I believe that offensive line trumps wide receivers in importance, Ford has not shown himself to be anything better than a replacement level guard, while Metcalf is clearly an ascending star at WR. So yeah, forget picking Oliver over Metcalf. That was the right move. It's picking FORD over Metcalf that was, in retrospect, no bueno. Is there an echo in here?
Logic Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Is there an echo in here? Ah yes, just saw your post. Sorry, didn't read the thread first and should have. Great minds think alike. 1
MJS Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I was disappointed when Mayfield and Darnold got picked, they were my top 2 that year. I was one of the few on here that liked Lamar Jackson a lot but I knew the Bills weren't going to pick him. At that point I was ready to settle for Rosen even though I thought he was too much of a statue in the pocket to become a top tier QB - you can't be a top QB in the modern NFL without some level of athleticism. But I wanted nothing to do with Allen. His profile of QB has busted so many times I just wasn't comfortable with it. The biggest thing I missed is his athleticism. I gave way too much credence to his scouting reports and they didn't mention his elite strength and scramble ability. That alone would have made me feel better even in light of his flaws. I also didn't like Mahomes or Watson so turns out I'm really really bad at this. I have officially given up trying to have an opinion on QBs before they hit the NFL so you can all be spared my bad takes in the future. I really liked Mahomes, but I was a little concerned with the whole "air raid offense" thing that everyone always talks about. I liked Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen, but didn't like Allen, but looking back I think I didn't like Allen because all of the draft analysts were so down on him. I also didn't want anything to do with Jackson, for a few reasons. First, I didn't want another running QB. I was sick of Tyrod and wanted a gifted passer. Second, Jackson had a poor pro day, in my opinion, and I also thought he handled the pre draft process really poorly, including having a terrible wonderlic score. I just felt he should have been better prepared for the draft, but maybe he wanted to slide so he could go to a better team. He landed in a perfect spot for him. I still wonder how sustainable his style of play is and whether or not defenses will adjust over time, but so far so good. He does have to prove it in the playoffs, though, which he has failed at twice now. I'm happy with Allen. He convinced me his rookie year after the Vikings game and after that week 17 Dolphins game.
PrimeTime101 Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 he passed the eye test early, some see it some dont then they get consumed by stats. Now that Josh is passing the stats test and the eyes merge with the numbers, most have come aboard. I dont blame people for not being on board early because we have gone through one bad qb after another. Us older people were spoiled by a guy named Jim Kelly Us younger people especially the ones that just watch Bills football dont no the difference quite as much because of past failures. I dont ask people to eat crow, yet I remind people that a stat means nothing. Believe that one can learn anything. Believe in what you see not in what you hear or read. All welcome aboard the wagon. This is a special time for this team. Enjoy it.
Success Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 I've never understood the consternation that goes on here on draft day. I feel like everyone looks at the mocks and the "public facing" scouting reports (usually a paragraph) before the draft, and then determines who they think we "should" get based on that. Maybe they'll check some youtube. Sorry - but unless you live & breathe this stuff, and watch hundreds of hours of film of everyone at a given position, you just have to put faith in the braintrust. And this particular braintrust has 100% earned that faith at this point. Usually, when the Bills draft a guy, I'll get to know him by looking up everything I can about him - but I never chime in w/ the "they should have gotten so & so...what are they thinking?" They know more than we do. They get the benefit of the doubt.
GunnerBill Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, K-9 said: I’ll keep waiting on Metcalf until he shows me Randy Moss status. Seriously though, while I still feel Metcalf is limited athletically in what he can do, he is GREAT at what he is asked to do. He’s a weapon out there and it would be fun to see what he could do with Allen chucking the rock to him on go routes. Absolutely the case on Metcalf. He is limited. He is a bit one dimensional. But it is a dimension worth having. I still think AJ Brown was the receiver to draft out of that class. 1
LABILLBACKER Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Alot of us were wrong about Josh Allen. I didn't think he'd have the leadership of Kelly. I was wrong. I didn't think he'd be accurate enough. I was wrong. I didn't trust Daboll enough to develop him. Wrong again. Sean and Brandon were the ones right all along. Glad to be so wrong. Trust the Process. And in case anyone cares I wanted Darnold followed by Rosen. Wrong & Wrong.
ghostwriter Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 I was right about Allen but I was wrong about Jackson.. hit a few right, missed a few.. I guess the sun occasionally does shine on a dog’s ass for once..
smuvtalker Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, AirAllenPower said: I was a baker/ Rosen guy My whole issue with Allen was in the Iowa game I got really put off by him. I thought he was scatter shot, erratic and just not a natural smooth qb... His progress from the beginning of his rookie year, to the end. The jump he took in year 2, and now a massive leap in year 3 is really amazing... His leap this year reminds me of the leap jo e burrow took in his jr to Sr year at LSU Ditto 100% on several things you said. I was also squarely on the Rosen/Mayfield train, (wanted Rosen 1st, Mayfield 2), and I'll even clarify further in that I actually thought Darnold would be the best of them all, but I just naturally assumed he was going to be the 1st pick and that we couldn't afford the cost to trade up to 1. So my heart was settled on Rosen or Baker. As soon as I saw that the Bills had pulled off the trade to move up, my heart began fluttering, and I was ready!! Welcome to Buffalo Josh Rosen!! When they announced that we had selected the wrong Josh, I literally fell out of my chair, curled up into the fetal position and began rocking back and forth sobbing and screaming...metaphorically. But I did scream at the TV, and began exchanging horrified/disbelief/disgust text messages with all my family up in Buffalo. I don't think a single one of us BESIDES my Uncle Reggie was happy with the pic. I wrote my own obituary telling everyone I had gotten into a barrel and plunged myself over the Niagara Falls. BOY was I wrong! My crow actually tasted pretty good though. 🙂 Josh Allen IS the franchise QB we've been waiting for. And you hit the nail squarely on the head when you compared his leap from year 2 to year 3 to Burrows jump from junior to senior season. I couldn't agree more. Let's go Buffalo! Edited September 24, 2020 by smuvtalker
TheBrownBear Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 I thought all of the big name guys were overrated (Mayfield, Darnold, Rudolph and Rosen), but thought Rosen was the best pure passer of the bunch. Plus, I'm a UCLA alum and saw all his games so I felt comfortable with him. Still shocked by how he's fallen flat on his face. I really wanted nothing to do with the other guys, particularly Darnold and Rudolph who completely lack any elite skills. I didn't want Allen since he had mediocre numbers in the Mountain West and just assumed he would be an enormous bust based on the experts opinions. I knew he had a big arm, but had no clue about his awesome athleticism or leadership skills or personality. I didn't know what to think about Lamar, but would have been on board wth us using our second 1st rounder on him.
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