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Good for Peyton.  He could say "certain teams in the Northeast not named Philadelphia, Buffalo or New York, but maybe that would be too obvious.

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Look, people laugh. But seriously, that was a big part of New England's success. They cheated in many different ways, and often. Everyone knows, and Manning was making everyone laugh uncomfortably because they know it is true. 

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Yup, that whole organization from Kraft on down are a bunch of cheating pieces of dung, if you cheat at you life’s work you are a dishonorable untrustworthy person,   it is good that Manning brings it up, and people are uncomfortable hearing it spoken out loud. 

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11 minutes ago, todd said:

Look, people laugh. But seriously, that was a big part of New England's success. They cheated in many different ways, and often. Everyone knows, and Manning was making everyone laugh uncomfortably because they know it is true. 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

He’s a funny guy.  I know he’s made some comments wanting to go down the Elian path, but he would be hilarious in the booth.

Elian Gonzales?

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21 minutes ago, todd said:

Look, people laugh. But seriously, that was a big part of New England's success. They cheated in many different ways, and often. Everyone knows, and Manning was making everyone laugh uncomfortably because they know it is true. 

It absolutely blows my mind people worship Brady and Bellicheat as best ever when everything is based on cheating - why aren't Lance and Barry Bonds and Rosie Ruiz and Bernie Madoff worshipped as best ever?  

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And the fact that teams always had issues with their own headsets when playing in New England.

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8 minutes ago, MJS said:

And the fact that teams always had issues with their own headsets when playing in New England.

 

Yeah, Mark Sanchez was talking about the Bills chances and he said something to the effect that he'd like to give the Bills a chance but "something always happens in Foxboro".  You could tell the other guys on the set were taken aback by how close he came to saying it.  "Are you saying they're cheating?" "I would never say they're cheating.  They're on a relentless pursuit of a competitive edge"  It's pretty interesting - 45 seconds in

 

There's Mike Tomlin and the headset malfunctions (which supposedly can't happen now that it's digital VOIP)

 

Then there was 'Zo Alexander on "the Lo Down" with Tasker and Murph talking very frankly about how the coaches and leaders were working with the team to not lose their composure and get "mentally hijacked" [15:37 in] when "everything is not going to go our way..probably not our way at all" Murph says disbelieving "because it's the Patriots?" Zo: "Well, you know that, yeah...just don't expect good calls, It Is what It Is.  It's not a secret.  Is it a secret, Murph?" Murph: "I don't like to acknowledge it" Zo: "Oh, you don't.  Well, it happens.  So you need to acknowledge it, so that when it happens, you're not like "oh, Man, what is going on?" So we're acknowledging it so we don't feed into it from a mental standpoint"  Tasker took after Murph on it, told him he was living in an alternate universe right now.  Worth a watch if you missed it.

 

It just seems like such an "open secret" that Foxboro goes well beyond the normal "homefield advantage" of crappy visitor locker rooms and crazed screaming fans.

 

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40 minutes ago, stevewin said:

It absolutely blows my mind people worship Brady and Bellicheat as best ever when everything is based on cheating - why aren't Lance and Barry Bonds and Rosie Ruiz and Bernie Madoff worshipped as best ever?  

 

The Evil Axis Alliance (Krafty, Bellicheat and Br*dy) should be banned from Hall of Fame like Pete Rose is baseball's.

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4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, Mark Sanchez was talking about the Bills chances and he said something to the effect that he'd like to give the Bills a chance but "something always happens in Foxboro".  You could tell the other guys on the set were taken aback by how close he came to saying it.  "Are you saying they're cheating?" "I would never say they're cheating.  They're on a relentless pursuit of a competitive edge"  It's pretty interesting - 45 seconds in

 

There's Mike Tomlin and the headset malfunctions (which supposedly can't happen now that it's digital VOIP)

 

Then there was 'Zo Alexander on "the Lo Down" with Tasker and Murph talking very frankly about how the coaches and leaders were working with the team to not lose their composure and get "mentally hijacked" [15:37 in] when "everything is not going to go our way..probably not our way at all" Murph says disbelieving "because it's the Patriots?" Zo: "Well, you know that, yeah...just don't expect good calls, It Is what It Is.  It's not a secret.  Is it a secret, Murph?" Murph: "I don't like to acknowledge it" Zo: "Oh, you don't.  Well, it happens.  So you need to acknowledge it, so that when it happens, you're not like "oh, Man, what is going on?" So we're acknowledging it so we don't feed into it from a mental standpoint"  Tasker took after Murph on it, told him he was living in an alternate universe right now.  Worth a watch if you missed it.

 

It just seems like such an "open secret" that Foxboro goes well beyond the normal "homefield advantage" of crappy visitor locker rooms and crazed screaming fans.

 

I catch One Bills Live mayyyybe once every two weeks for an hour or so, but was listening during that conversation. Murph really did sound so desperate for everything to be roses and unicorns in his beloved NFL 

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18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, Mark Sanchez was talking about the Bills chances and he said something to the effect that he'd like to give the Bills a chance but "something always happens in Foxboro".  You could tell the other guys on the set were taken aback by how close he came to saying it.  "Are you saying they're cheating?" "I would never say they're cheating.  They're on a relentless pursuit of a competitive edge"  It's pretty interesting - 45 seconds in

 

There's Mike Tomlin and the headset malfunctions (which supposedly can't happen now that it's digital VOIP)

 

Then there was 'Zo Alexander on "the Lo Down" with Tasker and Murph talking very frankly about how the coaches and leaders were working with the team to not lose their composure and get "mentally hijacked" [15:37 in] when "everything is not going to go our way..probably not our way at all" Murph says disbelieving "because it's the Patriots?" Zo: "Well, you know that, yeah...just don't expect good calls, It Is what It Is.  It's not a secret.  Is it a secret, Murph?" Murph: "I don't like to acknowledge it" Zo: "Oh, you don't.  Well, it happens.  So you need to acknowledge it, so that when it happens, you're not like "oh, Man, what is going on?" So we're acknowledging it so we don't feed into it from a mental standpoint"  Tasker took after Murph on it, told him he was living in an alternate universe right now.  Worth a watch if you missed it.

 

It just seems like such an "open secret" that Foxboro goes well beyond the normal "homefield advantage" of crappy visitor locker rooms and crazed screaming fans.

 

And this is why everyone hates the Pats, it's not just that they've won excessively in the recent history it's the way they've done it.

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Yeah as the story goes all the illegal filming and camera stuff would be used To determine what defenses were going to do. Then they’d relay all of that to Brady through his headset right up until the snap. 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Flutie also confirmed this, and he actually played for them. 

Yep he supposedly accidentally picked up Brady’s second Helmut as the story goes and was amazed they were talking past the 15 seconds cutoff. 
 

this was allegedly do with a secondary radio frequency to the headset. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

Flutie also confirmed this, and he actually played for them. 

 

Flutie can suck it.  Nothing he says means crap.

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53 minutes ago, arcane said:

I catch One Bills Live mayyyybe once every two weeks for an hour or so, but was listening during that conversation. Murph really did sound so desperate for everything to be roses and unicorns in his beloved NFL 

 

He did, didn't he?  He seemed more bothered by 'Zo's very matter-of-fact acceptance "this happens and we have to be mentally ready and not derailed by it", than he would have been if 'Zo railed against it and he could argue about it.

 

8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Flutie can suck it.  Nothing he says means crap.

 

Even a busted clock is right twice a day.

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