Lack of RB Production is limiting this Team

[716er]

I'd like to see a replay of Josh's throw to Singletary that was broken up downfield near the endzone. If Josh threw it a yard further down the field it's a TD. Who covered Singletary on that play?

[Da webster guy]

Like Yolo said, this was a case of us gameplanning against their weaknesses, which was why we kept coming at them with 4 and even 5 WR's at once.   

 

We don't know what we have in Moss yet, but if you want to see more running you might get your wish vs Miami, they struggled against the run last year and vs Cam last week they looked slow.  They have two solid cb's in Xav Howard and Byron Jones, I would expect a stronger mix of runs.     

 

Shaq is a good add for the Fins run defense, will be interesting to see how he does out there.

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, Just Joshin' said:

I will file this with other game 1 over reactions.

 

If this continues for next 3 games then I will become concerned.

 

If you read my initial post; I'm not taking about one game.  I'm talking over two years!  Like I said, the Ravens have 28 rushing TDs to our 8 TDs outside of Lamar and Josh.  I think two years is enough to establish a trend.  I'm just saying if we can improve this area, how much better could we be?  Is that a rationale question to ask or just an overreaction?  

[Dablitzkrieg]

This is satire right?  I'm being serious.  

[SCBills]

36 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

This is not a problem

 

Repeat, this is not a problem

 

Let's focus on winning by THROWING the football

 

THIS

 

The McKenzie pop passes are essentially runs disguised as passes.  If we can't get the running game going with Moss/Singletary, get them out in routes... Moss had a TD catch in his first game.  Singletary looked good in the screen game.   

 

There's other ways to use your RB's...

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

This is satire right?  I'm being serious.  

 

Nope; honest question.  Do you care to imply a rational response?  Do you think this is an area where if got better production, we might be even better?

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They don't have the speed to do that.

 

Yes they can.  They won't leave anyone in a cloud of dust but if they are good runners, they can take it to the house.  

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

If you read my initial post; I'm not taking about one game.  I'm talking over two years!  Like I said, the Ravens have 28 rushing TDs to our 8 TDs outside of Lamar and Josh.  I think two years is enough to establish a trend.  I'm just saying if we can improve this area, how much better could we be?  Is that a rationale question to ask or just an overreaction?  

 

Like I said in my post, looking at the 2018 Bills Offense is worthless.  It was made up of leftovers and had a raw rookie QB.

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by ColoradoBills

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Nope; honest question.  Do you care to imply a rational response?  Do you think this is an area where if got better production, we might be even better?

 

If Josh didn't have 18 rushing TD's, then our RB's would have a lot more TD's.  

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

With the WR talent that we have this year I would prefer passing the football 30+ times a game. I agree that we don't have a high profile RB but the two that we have are above average and both can catch. If the O-Line can keep pass blocking like it did in week 1 we need to be throwing the football a ton more this year. 

 

Both of our RB's are still very young and do different things well. I think we will get soild/good production out of our RB,s  I just don't want to see fumbles. This offense and team will now win on the arm of Allen. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Nope; honest question.  Do you care to imply a rational response?  Do you think this is an area where if got better production, we might be even better?

Yeah, here's my response.  Settle down, it's only week #1.  That was not the game plan.  Josh passed 46 times in the game.  When they need to pound the ball, Moss will be fine

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

Like I said in my post, looking at the 2018 Bills Offense is worthless.  It was made up of leftovers and had a raw rookie QB.

 

 

Yes; but what if I told you we scored less rushing TDs in 2019 than we did in 2018.  15 total compared to 13.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yes they can.  They won't leave anyone in a cloud of dust but if they are good runners, they can take it to the house.  

 

Well in order to say that we need to see them do it. I don't think we will. Doesn't mean they can't be productive but I don't think either is a breakaway speed guy who gets through the line and then is gone 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

Yeah, here's my response.  Settle down, it's only week #1.  That was not the game plan.  Josh passed 46 times in the game.  When they need to pound the ball, Moss will be fine

 

Ok; so you're going to avoid the point of the thread.  All good.

 

[CEN-CAL17]

49 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

I think that number is low because of Allen. 18 rushing touchdowns to this point of his career. If you add those into the totals, it looks stronger. 

But how many of those rushing TDs come off busted pass plays.  OPs point is no teams are basically scared of us scoring on them by running the ball.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

But how many of those rushing TDs come off busted pass plays.  OPs point is no teams are basically scared of us scoring on them by running the ball.

 

That's a great point; without going back to look; I would venture at least half if not more.

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Yes; but what if I told you we scored less rushing TDs in 2019 than we did in 2018.  15 total compared to 13.  

 

You can look at RB TDs in a vacuum if you want Lt.  The vast majority of TDs scored from outside the redzone are passing TDs.

Inside the redzone the only stat I'm concerned about is the % of TDs scored.  How they are scored does not matter at all.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well in order to say that we need to see them do it. I don't think we will. Doesn't mean they can't be productive but I don't think either is a breakaway speed guy who gets through the line and then is gone 

 

How often does something like this happen?  Even the fastest RB's in the league might do it once a year?

What would you say is the minimum yardage that is considered "taking it to the house"?  I would say at least 50?

 

They won't smoke guys but as long as they don't just run in a straight line....they can do it.

 

I bet Singletary will have one run of over 50 yards to the house this year.  If he doesn't, I'll set you up with Matt Milano.

[Jauronimo]

50 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

It has now been 37 games since the start of the 2018 season, and we have a grand total of 8 rushing TDs by our RBs (4 in 2018, 4 in 2019, and 0 so far in 2020).  That is slightly less than 1 for every 4 games (1:4) and to me that is unsatisfactory, even if the QB averages 1 every two games (1:2).   Hopefully Moss can help with that, but the lack of RB production is really holding this team back to a certain degree in my opinion.  Additionally, TDs withstanding, do opposing defenses really fear our running game?  This kind of goes back to some poster's thoughts on constantly running RPOs instead of some more designed leads, counters, etc.  I think Dabol really needs to figure this out.  Thoughts?

TDs scored is a silly measure of the effectiveness of our run game.  Who cares how the ball crosses the goal line?  Less rushing TDs is a factor of having the 10th worst scoring offense in the NFL.  8th most productive running game in terms of yards per game but 10th worst in overall scoring??? Sounds like the problem was NOT the running game.  

 

Yes, defenses are primarily concerned with stopping our running attack.  Greggo stacked the box and did everything he could to contain Allen.   

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I bet Singletary will have one run of over 50 yards to the house this year.  If he doesn't, I'll set you up with Matt Milano.

 

Done. But I am holding you to that promise. Give Matt one night with me he will definitely sign that extension.