Chef Jim Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Yes So saying they reap what they sow makes me immoral?
3rdnlng Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: No, it fits right in line with the amoral personality you and your political allies have displayed including, a complete unwillingness to observe evidence, and a complete and total bias in favor of authority regardless of how many innocent people are killed, maimed, and traumatized. We down here in the states take a different look at things than you guys. First we don't recruit our police from groups like The Village People and name them "The Mounties". Second, we wouldn't even allow a female Prime Minister to get away with wearing fake eyebrows let alone a (supposedly) male Prime Minister. You guys have all the answers until it comes to your defense, then it's us to the rescue.
WEATHER DOT COM Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So saying they reap what they sow makes me immoral? To any rational person, in that context you are talking, of course. Take care, Jimbo.
BullBuchanan Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So saying they reap what they sow makes me immoral? No, but believing that it isn't terrorism when police put flashbangs in the cribs of infants is though.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-georgia-deputy-acquitted-after-flash-bang-grenade-hurts-toddler-n479361
Chef Jim Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Yes, you're amoral. You've consistently defended the use of lethal force on citizens. Do you believe that terrorism exists at all? I have not defended the use of lethal force on it's citizens. Not one ***** bit. You don't even have a clue what you're arguing against. Slow down, relax, take a deep breathe and pay attention. You're so wrapped up in your "all cops are terrorists" you cannot think. Does terrorism exist? Ummm yeah. Why do you ask. 1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: To any rational person, in that context you are talking, of course. Take care, Jimbo. You do understand why I said they reap what they sow right?
BullBuchanan Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Does terrorism exist? Ummm yeah. Why do you ask. Because you've been on this huge rant saying I'm applying the term unjustly. I want you to tell what makes someone a terrorist.
Chef Jim Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: No, but believing that it isn't terrorism when police put flashbangs in the cribs of infants is though.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-georgia-deputy-acquitted-after-flash-bang-grenade-hurts-toddler-n479361 It's not terrorism. And the case you linked is not terrorism.
BullBuchanan Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: It's not terrorism. And the case you linked is not terrorism. Ok, so attacking infants with grenades isn't terrorism. What is?
Chef Jim Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Because you've been on this huge rant saying I'm applying the term unjustly. I want you to tell what makes someone a terrorist. Someone that is part of an organized terrorist group who's SOLE purpose is to use of violence and intimidation for a political purpose. Just now, BullBuchanan said: Ok, so attacking infants with grenades isn't terrorism. What is? Was the child targeted?
WEATHER DOT COM Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Someone that is part of an organized terrorist group who's SOLE purpose is to use of violence and intimidation for a political purpose. That wasn't even Al-Qaeda's SOLE purpose. What groups are terrorists by this definition? 1
Chef Jim Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said: That wasn't even Al-Qaeda's SOLE purpose. What groups are terrorists by this definition? I am not here to identify which groups ARE terrorists. I'm here to show that law enforcement is NOT a terrorist organization.
BullBuchanan Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Someone that is part of an organized terrorist group who's SOLE purpose is to use of violence and intimidation for a political purpose. Was the child targeted? So if any of their members don't commit violence they cease to be a terrorist organization? 1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: That wasn't even Al-Qaeda's SOLE purpose. What groups are terrorists by this definition? Exactly
WEATHER DOT COM Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: I am not here to identify which groups ARE terrorists. I'm here to show that law enforcement is NOT a terrorist organization. You defined terrorist. What groups are terrorists by your definition? Do you defend ISIS like this, Jimbo?
3rdnlng Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: No, but believing that it isn't terrorism when police put flashbangs in the cribs of infants is though.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-georgia-deputy-acquitted-after-flash-bang-grenade-hurts-toddler-n479361 Now there you go again, lying. Yes, a flash bang grenade accidentally ended up in a crib 5 years ago. Police didn't "put" it there. The female officer was acquitted of lying to a judge regarding the search warrant. Is lying ok now in Canada?
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 A black police officer tasers and arrests a white women for not wearing a mask outside at a middle school football game in Ohio. Is this motivated by racism? Reverse this to white cop/black women you'd be damn sure it would make every evening network news show as another police bias incident. Thankfully, the other 10 people in attendance did not start a riot or any fires. 3
Chef Jim Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: So if any of their members don't commit violence they cease to be a terrorist organization? I've already defined a terrorist organization. It it falls under those definition then any member of that organization is a terrorist. Law enforcement, based on that definition, is NOT a terrorist organization. Unless your ability to think critically is clouded by hate as yours is. 5 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: You defined terrorist. What groups are terrorists by your definition? Do you defend ISIS like this, Jimbo? What does ISIS have to do with this? Nice strawman. I'm talking whether or not law enforcement is a terrorist organization. That is the side of the debate I'm taking plain and simple. But you knew that. 12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Ok, so attacking infants with grenades isn't terrorism. What is? I'll ask again. Was the child targeted?
BullBuchanan Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I've already defined a terrorist organization. It it falls under those definition then any member of that organization is a terrorist. Law enforcement, based on that definition, is NOT a terrorist organization. Unless your ability to think critically is clouded by hate as yours is. Yet you have absolutely no problem, and in fact encourage, labeling ANTIFA, a decentralized movement whose entire existence is based on defending people from government sponsored violence, who are responsible for 0 deaths as a terrorist organization. Meanwhile, your police force, over the same period of the last 25 years, whose sole objective is to deprive citizens of their life, health, money and/or freedom, has been responsible for ~25000 deaths. Edited September 24, 2020 by BullBuchanan
Chef Jim Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Yet you have absolutely no problem, and in fact encourage, labeling ANTIFA, a decentralized movement whose entire existence is based on defending people from government sponsored violence, who are responsible for 0 deaths as a terrorist organization. This isn't about ATIFA/BLM/ISI/Al-Qaeda. This is about the absurdity of you claiming (so much so you started a whole thread on it)that law enforcement as a terrorist organization. Again it's absolutely hilarious that you define terrorist based on the number of deaths that group has caused. Just a tip son. Violence does not equal death.
BullBuchanan Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: This isn't about ATIFA/BLM/ISI/Al-Qaeda. This is about the absurdity of you claiming (so much so you started a whole thread on it)that law enforcement as a terrorist organization. Again it's absolutely hilarious that you define terrorist based on the number of deaths that group has caused. Just a tip son. Violence does not equal death. Oh I'm fully aware violence doesn't equal death, and you've refused to grasp that concept. What you fail to understand is that contradiction of your own statements. Since ANTIFA "SOLE purpose" is not to commit violence, they shouldn't be on your list, but they are. Meanwhile the FAR more violent police force that brutalizes and kills americans EVERY SINGLE DAY are "mostly great at what they do" and "good people" You probably thought these were "some very fine people" as well. And for the record, the reason I started this thread was to point out the absurdity that while this board has labeled ANTIFA a terrorist organization, there has been a hundreds year old terrorist organization subsisting off of taxpayer funds as part of our government guilty of far worse crimes including, but not limited to, tens of thousands of deaths.
3rdnlng Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16104/antifa-history Empirical and anecdotal evidence shows that Antifa is, in fact, highly networked, well-funded and has a global presence. It has a flat organizational structure with dozens and possibly hundreds of local groups. Antifa's stated long-term objective, both in America and abroad, is to establish a communist world order. In the United States, Antifa's immediate aim is to bring about the demise of the Trump administration. A common tactic used by Antifa in the United States and Europe is to employ extreme violence and destruction of public and private property to goad the police into a reaction, which then "proves" Antifa's claim that the government is "fascist." Antifa is not only officially tolerated, but is being paid by the German government to fight the far right. — Bettina Röhl, German journalist, Neue Zürcher Zeitung, June 2, 2020. "Out of cowardice, its members cover their faces and keep their names secret. Antifa constantly threatens violence and attacks against politicians and police officers. It promotes senseless damage to property amounting to vast sums." — Bettina Röhl, Neue Zürcher Zeitung, June 2, 2020. U.S. Attorney General William Barr has blamed Antifa — a militant "anti-fascist" movement — for the violence that has erupted at George Floyd protests across the United States. "The violence instigated and carried out by Antifa and other similar groups in connection with the rioting is domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly," he said. Barr also said that the federal government has evidence that Antifa "hijacked" legitimate protests around the country to "engage in lawlessness, violent rioting, arson, looting of businesses, and public property assaults on law enforcement officers and innocent people, and even the murder of a federal agent." Earlier, U.S. President Donald J. Trump had instructed the U.S. Justice Department to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Edited September 24, 2020 by 3rdnlng 1
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