No worries about Josh but the Interior DL is a concern!

[Ya Digg?]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Anyone ever hear of a guy named Ed? I think he owns a horse stable..🤓

Convenient how he’s left out, isn’t it?

[TBBills]

6 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

Josh will lead the team to offensive greatness.  We've got a power house group of skilled players who can put points on the board.

 

But, can we stop the runs up the middle?  Time killing drives that can limit our offense.

 

Gone are Shaq, Star and Jordan.  Replacing them are; Vernon Butler who has started only 9 games of 52 and has a total of 77 combined tackles, Quinton Jefferson with 4 years in Seattle, 24 starts and just 59 combined tackles and Mario Addison at age 33 who has started 51 games in 9 years.  I don't see any Pro Bowls &  All-Pro awards.

 

Can they stuff the run up the middle and keep the opponents OL off Edmunds?? 

Stop.... Collaborate, and listen. Trust the process.

 

You also need to know who is on the team before you post a thread.

Edited September 10, 2020 by TBBills

[formerlyofCtown]

6 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

Josh will lead the team to offensive greatness.  We've got a power house group of skilled players who can put points on the board.

 

But, can we stop the runs up the middle?  Time killing drives that can limit our offense.

 

Gone are Shaq, Star and Jordan.  Replacing them are; Vernon Butler who has started only 9 games of 52 and has a total of 77 combined tackles, Quinton Jefferson with 4 years in Seattle, 24 starts and just 59 combined tackles and Mario Addison at age 33 who has started 51 games in 9 years.  I don't see any Pro Bowls &  All-Pro awards.

 

Can they stuff the run up the middle and keep the opponents OL off Edmunds?? 

So your concern is one of the strength of this team.  

Star to Butler might be a downgrade but the other two are upgrades.

I'm pretty sure Jefferson is more accomplished than Phillips was when he came here and Addison is definitely more accomplished than Shaq.

As far as Pro Bowls goes.  How many times have our Safeties gone to the Pro Bowl.  Maybe we should be worried about them.😉 

All sarcasm aside why would you be more concerned about a deep unit on a proven top 5 D than a bottom 10 Offense.  You do realize that our only cut that I am aware was signed to another teams active roster came from the position you are concerned about.  That should probably tell you something.

  I think both will be fine.  

Edited September 10, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[eball]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

If you want to have any weakness in the 2020 NFL of all the ones you can pick, being below average against the run would top my list.

 

No I don't want to be bad vs the run.  Which we won't.  But we will be middle of the pack.  No one could run on Tampa last year and look how far that team went.  It wasn't like their offense was incompetent.  The Chiefs run D was atrocious most of last season.  

 

It's a concern vs the 49ers, Seahawks, Raiders, Titans, and Steelers. 

 

But shouldn't be a concern in any division game or anyone else really.  If it is then we're not just avg vs the run we would be terrible.  But I'm not concerned right now.  Do the Patriots and whatever it is their doing worry you?  Jordan Howard and Matt Breida?  The Jets?  We should be 5-1 minimum in division go find 4 or 5 more wins and we are division champs. 

 

I think winning these first 2 games immediately puts our odds at winning the division at about 90%.    

 

 

 

Really well said.

[Putin]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If we score enough points teams won't be able to run. I don't think we'll be good vs the run but in terms of concerns it's a distant 2nd behind our ability to put up points. 

 

Josh Allen remains the biggest concern on the team until proven otherwise.

My biggest concern is CB2  not Josh Allen we saw how great Josh can be we just need to see it on consistent basis .., 

This is definitely the year for him to prove that he can that !!!

Go Bills !!!!

 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

My metrics are players with quality resumes!

That’s not what you said in your first post. 
 

And Addison doesn’t play the interior.

[Rock'em Sock'em]

6 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

Replacing them are

+ Harrison Phillips

+ AJ

Edited September 10, 2020 by Rock'em Sock'em

[Chandler#81]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

That’s not what you said in your first post. 
 

And Addison doesn’t play the interior.

Pay no attention. This charmer should switch to posting on the Sabre’s boards. The ice is thin under him..

[gordong]

Guess we'll find out in 3 days if they can stop the run. 

34 minutes ago, Putin said:

My biggest concern is CB2  not Josh Allen we saw how great Josh can be we just need to see it on consistent basis .., 

This is definitely the year for him to prove that he can that !!!

Go Bills !!!!

 

 

Why are you worried about #2 CB?   Levi was the starting CB on the #2 Defense in the NFL last year... he is still here and now we have Josh here as well.   

[Royale with Cheese]

24 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Pay no attention. This charmer should switch to posting on the Sabre’s boards. The ice is thin under him..

 

[mjt328]

5 hours ago, folz said:

I liked Shaq, but Addison is an upgrade (talent/experience-wise). And I know it's popular to trash Trent Murphy, but he is actually excellent against the run and really had a good run down the stretch of last season [with multiple big plays in each of the Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Houston (playoff) games]. And A.J. Epenesa's strength is supposed to be against the run.

 

As to your thread title, about the interior of the line, yes...we know very little right now. We will just have to wait and see. But...

 

Ok, we lost Jordan Phillips, but he was considered a 2nd round bust until he got into our defense. Last year was the first good year of his career. And he will be replaced by 1st round pick Ed Oliver, who was starting to show signs of being a true stud down the stretch last year. And Quinton Jefferson, who yes, has mostly been in a backup role to this point in his career, but only because the guys ahead of him were studs. His old team loved him and didn't want to lose him. Everyone has talked highly of him. I think he is ready to breakout. Now, we are definitely losing some size here at this position, as Jordan was a giant, but I think the talent level may be better.

 

Star has opted out. Big body...did the dirty work. But Harrison Phillips is back, who again I think is a better player than Star (if his knee continues to be ok) because he has more big play ability and a better pass rush (or a pass rush, as Star had none). Plus, Harrison is by no means a liability against the run. And we're not really losing much size, as Harrison is an inch taller than Star and only 8 pounds lighter. And they added Vernon Butler. He's a reclamation project, no doubt. But hopefully in his new surroundings and with our coaches and scheme/defense, he can take that next step. Yes, he is still a question mark. But, he's a former 1st round pick that hasn't panned out yet (much like Jordan Phillips, though Jordan was a 2nd rounder), and Vernon actually brings more size than Star did. Butler is two inches taller and 15 pounds bigger than Star.

 

Plus, Butler, Addison, and Jefferson all have position flexibility. Leslie can show so many different fronts with this D-line, to match up against any situation and to confuse offenses. So, I really don't think we'll need to worry too much about the D-line. But we shall see soon enough.

 

Excellent breakdown.

 

We lost Shaq Lawson, Star Lotulelei and Jordan Phillips

We gained Mario Addison, AJ Epenesa, Harrison Phillips, Quinton Jefferson and Vernon Butler.  Plus a year of experience for Ed Oliver.

 

It could certainly be argued that our D-Line has been upgraded since last year.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Anyone ever hear of a guy named Ed? I think he owns a horse stable..🤓

Also Horrible Harry

[Big Turk]

In this league not many people are too concerned with stopping the run any more.

[GG]

I'm far more concerned about the DEs.  If there's no real pass rush from the left side, OLs will continue to focus on Jerry and hold him like there's no tomorrow.

[PromoTheRobot]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

Josh Allen remains the biggest concern on the team until proven otherwise.

 

Are people going to freak out over every incomplete pass?

[Putin]

27 minutes ago, gordong said:

Guess we'll find out in 3 days if they can stop the run. 

 

Why are you worried about #2 CB?   Levi was the starting CB on the #2 Defense in the NFL last year... he is still here and now we have Josh here as well.   

Yes Levi  is the starting CB2 that’s why I’m worried 

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Are people going to freak out over every incomplete pass?

Not ALL the people but you know exactly who  will without me saying names ... 

 

[H2o]

Harry, Butler, Oliver, Jefferson, Epenesa, and Addison will all do just fine rotating on the interior. You saw how many times Lorax was thrown into the middle last year on passing downs. I would expect more of the same this year with the group we have. Harry can do the same thing as Star, only he's got more juice in pushing the pocket. Butler is 6'4", 330lbs, hard to move off the LOS, is coming off of his best year as a pro, and is in a familiar system. I honestly believe our run defense will be better this year, as well as our pass rush. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, nucci said:

Harrison Phillips and Ed Oliver play there as well

 

As do Hughes, Epenesa, Murphy.. its a big rotation, and ron rivera does the same.  Just because a player starts doesn't mean that they aren't getting a fair share of snaps.

14 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

In this league not many people are too concerned with stopping the run any more.

 

It lead to a couple losses last year against cleveland and philly.  I'm not particularly certain buffalo was that good at it for a while there last year.  

[BigBuff423]

I'm not concerned with the interior DL, mainly because of all of the reasons previously noted in this thread. But also, because nobody knows this team better than Beane and McD and if they didn't believe they addressed the DL adequately in the off-season, SOMETHING would have been done by now. The additions of Jefferson, Butler and Addison to an existing pretty strong - albeit not perfect - Defense tells me all I need to know. They Drafted a DE, one that arguably was in the conversation for a mid to low 1st round pick, and still added FAs to the D-line. The fact they had their pick of who they wanted, PLUS Ed Oliver coming into his 2nd year and hopefully Horrible Harry able to stay healthy, means that they believe in their D-line and for now, unless or until the injuries pile up or they prove otherwise, I will trust McD and the process. 

[Dragoon]

Oliver and Harrison = I’m not worried