billsfan89 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Whaley didn’t get too shots. And I would argue this roster is almost exactly like the 2014 one. If that 2014/2015 team had a legit franchise guy, they were SB contenders. and this is a long way off but the idea that a GM should get two shots at missing on a qb seems crazy. But hopefully Allen is the guy and then we extend Beane. But it’s crazy to rush it at this point. The offense supporting cast in 2014 was not that great. The Oline was 2 good starters in Glenn and Wood and not much else and the RB corps were damaged goods. So the offense is significantly more talented now outside of the QB position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Rams as of yesterday were 400k over the cap Immediately trade for Cooper Kupp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Bills knew they better get it done before Ramsey. I'm surprised Tre's agent settled for under $20 million with how pass rushers were getting paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I think McDermott is way into their heads, and they're only drafting guys with that kind of attitude. True, they haven't won big yet, but they believe they will. I think what's happening in Buffalo is unique. It's great in theory, but I just don't see it as plausible. It's not reasonable to expect elite players to sign discounted deals for their second contracts. Late stage veterans? Different conversation. Tre is as selfless as they come on and off the field, but that doesn't mean he should take a lowball offer, especially for a team with no cap issues. Edited September 9, 2020 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I think Tre was well aware something like this was going to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Way overpaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 49 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did Whaley even get 1 shot? EJ was still technically a Nix pick. What other drafted QBs am I missing here? Cardale baby! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Cardale baby! Oh my god, no. That is one I wasnt thinking of, but I also wasnt counting anything after round 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I wrote in the other thread, but it’s not really $17.5 mil./yr. It’s just like what happened to Dawkins where you add the rookie year to his 4 year deal. I was shocked the 5th year counted when reported by Sal, Brownie, and Tasker as well as Vic, it is 6 years. I was wondering how the heck do we have him locked up until 2025, and when you add the $3.2 mil., to the $15 mil., 5th yr. option, it’s really an average of $14.7 mil. That is awesome. God I love Beane. So man crushing him on how he manages these contracts. We do this again on Milano, and we are set boys. Beane doesn’t count against the cap so I’m waiting for that one too. Now we have 5th year options to figure out on Edmunds and Allen next year, so we could lock up Milano now, Edmunds next year, and Allen using the 5th year option after that. If they can do early, great, but with this cap hit, it’s easier to find $ for a LB than a QB. Besides, why not wait and get the full 5 years out of Allen before we fork out you would think $40 mil./yr. for Allen. He’s either the guy or not by year 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: God I hope Tre White is still happy at the fact he's guaranteed to make an insane amount of money. when you’re talking amounts that high, it’s the difference between your great-great-great grandchildren being set for life, as opposed to “only” your great-great grandchildren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Was hoping they'd get White done before Ramsey. Good job Beane. Rams will be in trouble if the salary cap drops next year with Kupp up for a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) I can understand trading two firsts for a top player at a critical position, but I do not understand doing that and then (half a season later) making that player by far the highest paid at his position. Unless that player is an elite QB I just don’t get it. And then (if they were a top QB) I would not understand why they’d be available at all. Edited September 9, 2020 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: It's great in theory, but I just don't see it as plausible. It's not reasonable to expect elite players to sign discounted deals for their second contracts. Late stage veterans? Different conversation. Tre is as selfless as they come on and off the field, but that doesn't mean he should take a lowball offer, especially for a team with no cap issues. I don't see this (and the Dawkins deal) as lowball or discounts. Everyone know that Tre could of kept the negotiations going and pushed to get 20 million per. He didn't do that, instead he took a fair deal for both sides and got it done so Beane now can go on with other decisions without having this contract hanging over his head. Dawkins did the same thing. IMO it's a good sign showing harmony between management and the players and I hope it continues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I can understand trading two firsts for a top player at a critical position, but I do not understand doing that and then (half a season later) making that player by far the highest paid at his position. Unless that player is an elite QB I just don’t get it. And then (if they were a top QB) I would not understand why they’d be available at all. Well if you are trading two 1sts for a guy he is obvious ultra elite. The mistake is completing the trade without having a new deal in place. The other option is you traded two 1sts and a year later the guy walks and you are left for nothin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Well if you are trading two 1sts for a guy he is obvious ultra elite. The mistake is completing the trade without having a new deal in place. The other option is you traded two 1sts and a year later the guy walks and you are left for nothin. I agree. That’s exactly why you have to have the deal in place when the trade is executed. O’Brien had the same issue with Tunsil. Gave up two firsts plus to get him with no deal in place. Then had to way overpay him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I don't see this (and the Dawkins deal) as lowball or discounts. Everyone know that Tre could of kept the negotiations going and pushed to get 20 million per. He didn't do that, instead he took a fair deal for both sides and got it done so Beane now can go on with other decisions without having this contract hanging over his head. Dawkins did the same thing. IMO it's a good sign showing harmony between management and the players and I hope it continues. Nor do I - I was replying directly to Shaw's notion that Bills players will take below market deals due to our culture. I don't think that's the case at all - we've made some fair and reasonable deals based on each players ability and trajectory. You could make a case that Dion is overpaid, but "good enough" left tackles have been paid $13+ million annually for years. Tre is an elite player, and elite players get to set the market, even if its temporary. I guess I don't get why we're putting Beane on a pedestal for signing two young players to second contracts. Edited September 9, 2020 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So if the Bills look like crap, finish 6–10, and Allen loses terrible, we should extend him? He has done a good job but it kinda all hinges on Allen. He’s basically where Whaley was, now it’s whether or not Allen is the guy. why do some of you think there is going to be some bidding war for Beane? It never happens and if the Bills get off to a great start, extend him mid season. I’m fine with McDermott’s extension but everything is on Allen. I won’t give a GM another shot if they missed with a franchise qb. JMO though. Based on this contract, he made a great decision then. 😉 and I agree he’s not as good as he thinks he is but why do fans care so much about cbs tackling? Deion never tackled. In the scenario you describ the wheels would have to completely fall off he wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ColoradoBills Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Nor do I - I was replying directly to Shaw's notion that Bills players will take below market deals due to our culture. I don't think that's the case at all - we've made some fair and reasonable deals based on each players ability and trajectory. You could make a case that Dion is overpaid, but "good enough" left tackles have been paid $13+ million annually for years. Tre is an elite player, and elite players get to set the market, even if its temporary. I guess I don't get why we're putting Beane on a pedestal for signing two young players to second contracts. Fair enough. But I can also acknowledge that these 2 players were the first 2 from the new regime that needed to be re-upped. What I like is that they got it done without any drama. I guess I believe that Dawkins could of stamped his feet for a little more cash and got it. I don't put Beane on a pedestal but I see him already maturing as a GM compared to his first year which granted was a little shaky. Milano is the next big one and will be a great litmus test. If he wants too much Beane will have to let him walk. It's tough but that's what a good GM does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Suckers. These GMs will never learn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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