DrDawkinstein Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It doesn’t kick in until next year? We have him for 6 more years.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: You know 100x more than me about NFL but I respectfully disagree with this. Tre KNEW that Ramsey and Lattimore deals are coming soon, and he KNEW that at least Ramsey will sign for more after him. And he still signed the contract and looked genuinely happy about it. I didn't have time to watch his press conference after signing, but from couple of reactions I read here it is clear that he is smart and humble man, happy with what he got. Why do you suddenly think that his mentality is same as Ramseys and he NEEDS to sign for higher AAV than everybody before him? He did sign for highest AAV at that time since there was no other reasonable option (asking him to sign for less would be insult on Beane's part). I know you don't mean it that way (and I also know that you might be right), but to me the notion that Tre would NO MATTER WHAT require to sign for more than Ramsey (if he was signing after Ramsey) is almost like an insult of Tre personality. I think Tre signed the deal knowing that something like this is coming and was fine with it, because he doesn't care about money and money only. If he did care about money only, he'd wait for others to sign. On a side note, Rams are crazy and Beane is a genius. Guys reset the market. That’s how it works. Tre may have known that Ramsey’s contract was coming. It was widely reported that it would. Ramsey may have waited for Tre. It is likely that Tre knew Ramsey’s deal was coming but he was still willing to sign. I don’t disagree with that. If Tre came AFTER Ramsey though he would have been higher. It is as much about optics and agents as anything else. I guaranteed earlier this offseason that at some point Tre would be the highest paid CB ever in terms of AAV. It was a little less than I expected but he was. That’s just how it happens. Deandre Hopkins just did it too. The QBs are the one weird anomaly but other than that ALL superstars reset the market. If you want my opinion, I think a lot of that comes from the union as well. When the market gets reset it’s good for everyone. Edited September 9, 2020 by Kirby Jackson
K-9 Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It doesn’t kick in until next year? Yes, it’s a four year “extension” of his current his rookie contract, which runs thru the ‘21 season because we exercised his 5th option back in April. The extension keeps him under contract thru the ‘25 season. 1
BringBackFergy Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Jalen was the guy who tagged Tre on Twitter and said he needs to go to another team to get paid....and Tre got paid. Jalen was the guy who called Josh Allen "trash" and Josh proceeded to burn his ass two times in the Jags game. Starting the countdown on when Jalen tags Tre again and says "See, I got the money". Braggers are gonna brag...Tre is a happy guy and has a good relationship with his teammates/coaches/front office. I'll take Tre any day of the week over that fool. 1 1
DrDawkinstein Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, H2o said: Soon to be the Rams' FO.... Hahaha, if the Rams FO hasnt figured it out yet, they never will. This crap goes all the way back to handing Tavon Austin that ridiculous contract in 2015. 2
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Jalen was the guy who tagged Tre on Twitter and said he needs to go to another team to get paid....and Tre got paid. Jalen was the guy who called Josh Allen "trash" and Josh proceeded to burn his ass two times in the Jags game. Starting the countdown on when Jalen tags Tre again and says "See, I got the money". Braggers are gonna brag...Tre is a happy guy and has a good relationship with his teammates/coaches/front office. I'll take Tre any day of the week over that fool. Allen was 8-19 for 160 passing yards against the Jags. We won the game but I’m not sure I’d use that as burning his ass. that said, Ramsey is a douche and we got the better player/ person for cheaper. That’s awesome. 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Hahaha, if the Rams FO hasnt figured it out yet, they never will. This crap goes all the way back to handing Tavon Austin that ridiculous contract in 2015. I think it’s the same GM. He has great hair and made a couple nice moves but he has made some awful ones as well. To go from paying Gurley that much money and then cutting him should have cost him his job.
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2020 Author Posted September 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: They were in the Super Bowl 18 months ago. They've got some elite players and have to pay them top dollar - so what? We throw around "cap hell" so often - they'll be fine. They are paying Todd Gurley 9.8 mill and Brandin Cooks 21.8 mill to play for other teams this year. 3
H2o Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Hahaha, if the Rams FO hasnt figured it out yet, they never will. This crap goes all the way back to handing Tavon Austin that ridiculous contract in 2015. They always seem to be right up against it cap wise and have had more than a couple of "wtf" contracts they've handed out. Edited September 9, 2020 by H2o 1
thebandit27 Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Remember when he got torched by Kelvin Benjamin? 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Allen was 8-19 for 160 passing yards against the Jags. We won the game but I’m not sure I’d use that as burning his ass. that said, Ramsey is a douche and we got the better player/ person for cheaper. That’s awesome. I think it’s the same GM. He has great hair and made a couple nice moves but he has made some awful ones as well. To go from paying Gurley that much money and then cutting him should have cost him his job. Ramsey looked like a fool in that game. He got beat badly by an out of shape and utterly disinterested Kelvin Benjamin, and then made a business decision on Allen’s TD run in the 3rd quarter. He’s talented, but he’s not even close to the player he thinks he is. 2 1
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2020 Author Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Remember when he got torched by Kelvin Benjamin? The only thing I ever expected KB to torch is a creme brûlée 2
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: I don’t think we have to see how the season plays out first at all. Everyone knows how good Tre is, and he got him signed at an absolute steal. Whether or not he performs isn’t up to Beane, Beane did His part and he did an excellent job. Tre was getting paid regardless. Such a weird phenomenon that some Bills fans have to be guarded at all times. Nothing can ever just be a good thing. So if the Bills look like crap, finish 6–10, and Allen loses terrible, we should extend him? He has done a good job but it kinda all hinges on Allen. He’s basically where Whaley was, now it’s whether or not Allen is the guy. why do some of you think there is going to be some bidding war for Beane? It never happens and if the Bills get off to a great start, extend him mid season. I’m fine with McDermott’s extension but everything is on Allen. I won’t give a GM another shot if they missed with a franchise qb. JMO though. 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Remember when he got torched by Kelvin Benjamin? Ramsey looked like a fool in that game. He got beat badly by an out of shape and utterly disinterested Kelvin Benjamin, and then made a business decision on Allen’s TD run in the 3rd quarter. He’s talented, but he’s not even close to the player he thinks he is. Based on this contract, he made a great decision then. 😉 and I agree he’s not as good as he thinks he is but why do fans care so much about cbs tackling? Deion never tackled.
TheElectricCompany Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They are paying Todd Gurley 9.8 mill and Brandin Cooks 21.8 mill to play for other teams this year. Good point - but I give them credit for quickly cutting bait when it didn't work out. Gurley was a shame - he was so good for years, and came crashing down in a few weeks. I guess I don't get the need to disparage other franchises that have been great for years.
No_Matter_What Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Guys reset the market. That’s how it works. Tre may have known that Ramsey’s contract was coming. It was widely reported that it would. Ramsey may have waited for Tre. It is likely that Tre knew Ramsey’s deal was coming but he was still willing to sign. I don’t disagree with that. If Tre came AFTER Ramsey though he would have been higher. It is as much about optics and agents as anything else. I guaranteed earlier this offseason that at some point Tre would be the highest paid CB ever in terms of AAV. It was a little less than I expected but he was. That’s just how it happens. Deandre Hopkins just didn’t it too. The QBs are the one weird anomaly but other than that ALL superstars reset the market. If you want my opinion, I think a lot of that comes from the union as well. When the market gets reset it’s good for everyone. I fully understand what you are saying in general, and I do agree. One simple question however: If from any reason Tre didn't (or haven't? I suck at this) sign until today, do you think that right now he would be telling this agent - ok man, I know we were thinking 18 AAV, but look now JR signed for 21, we need to sign for 21,5? I think answer is no and that is my point. But I also think you can in fact dodge the answer by saying that there is a reason why Tre signed reasonable real PRIOR Ramsey, and that reason is that he (i) wanted to reset the market but at the same time (ii) wanted to sign reasonable deal and intentionally signed it before Ramsey precisely in order to avoid any races. This might be the case and then we are both right
Protocal69 Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Allen was 8-19 for 160 passing yards against the Jags. We won the game but I’m not sure I’d use that as burning his ass. that said, Ramsey is a douche and we got the better player/ person for cheaper. That’s awesome. I think it’s the same GM. He has great hair and made a couple nice moves but he has made some awful ones as well. To go from paying Gurley that much money and then cutting him should have cost him his job. He made the biggest plays of the game accounting for 2 tds. For a guy Ramsey called trash, relativity speaking Allen did make Ramsey look like a fool. Allen has another chance to show Ramsey up again vs the Rams this year. CANT WAIT. 1
Bobby Hooks Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So if the Bills look like crap, finish 6–10, and Allen loses terrible, we should extend him? He has done a good job but it kinda all hinges on Allen. He’s basically where Whaley was, now it’s whether or not Allen is the guy. why do some of you think there is going to be some bidding war for Beane? It never happens and if the Bills get off to a great start, extend him mid season. I’m fine with McDermott’s extension but everything is on Allen. I won’t give a GM another shot if they missed with a franchise qb. JMO though. Based on this contract, he made a great decision then. 😉 and I agree he’s not as good as he thinks he is but why do fans care so much about cbs tackling? Deion never tackled. What does Allen have to do with anything? We’re talking about Tre’s deal. Has nothing to with anything else you’re bringing up. Beane did an excellent job. Edited September 9, 2020 by Bobby Hooks
thebandit27 Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So if the Bills look like crap, finish 6–10, and Allen loses terrible, we should extend him? He has done a good job but it kinda all hinges on Allen. He’s basically where Whaley was, now it’s whether or not Allen is the guy. why do some of you think there is going to be some bidding war for Beane? It never happens and if the Bills get off to a great start, extend him mid season. I’m fine with McDermott’s extension but everything is on Allen. I won’t give a GM another shot if they missed with a franchise qb. JMO though. Based on this contract, he made a great decision then. 😉 and I agree he’s not as good as he thinks he is but why do fans care so much about cbs tackling? Deion never tackled. I never mentioned his tackling; it’s a total lack of effort on a play that scored the deciding points that made me call him out. I predict that Jalen doesn’t see year 3 of this deal.
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2020 Author Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Good point - but I give them credit for quickly cutting bait when it didn't work out. Gurley was a shame - he was so good for years, and came crashing down in a few weeks. I guess I don't get the need to disparage other franchises that have been great for years. I don’t think taking an objective look at cap management and decision making is disparaging a franchise by any means Edited September 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio
Big C Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Remember when he got torched by Kelvin Benjamin? Ramsey looked like a fool in that game. He got beat badly by an out of shape and utterly disinterested Kelvin Benjamin, and then made a business decision on Allen’s TD run in the 3rd quarter. He’s talented, but he’s not even close to the player he thinks he is. Just another elite talent that doesn't want to put in the work or face adversity. Tre over Jalen every day and we got him for much less. <insert Beane in sunglasses photo>
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