DeAndre Hopkins contract extension

[The Frankish Reich]

18 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

 

That's pretty much the opposite of "being taken out of the game"

That's what I was thinking ... plus the fact that the defense has no choice but to deal with Hopkins on the field because they are gonna throw it to him.

[IgotBILLStopay]

25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Diggs is going to ask for money after the season. 

 

24 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

Diggs will want a new contract next year

 

I doubt it. The contract rework is done for now and the first round compensation paid to the Vikes reflects that.

 

All things going well, I'd be all for Diggs asking for more money in 2022 though.

[Rc2catch]

If Diggs plays here and can dominate like he did at times in Minnesota why does anyone care if he asks for a raise? Especially if he goes about it the right way and doesn’t make it into a drama fest. 
Murray is on his rookie deal, the cards can afford to throw that money around. 
I would be fine tacking some more guaranteed money onto Diggs deal if he plays at an elite level here. 

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

 

 

I doubt it. The contract rework is done for now and the first round compensation paid to the Vikes reflects that.

 

All things going well, I'd be all for Diggs asking for more money in 2022 though.

He may not but the fact the Bills gave up a 1st means Diggs and his agent have a ton of leverage. Right now, he’s the 14th highest paid wr making half of what Hopkins makes.  Other guys deals will be up and he will drop even lower. 
 

I think he will be on his best behave this year and hopefully, he balls out (have him on 3 fantasy teams).  But if I was an agent, I’d explore a new deal because of the leverage they have on the Bills. 

33 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

WR’s in general are a bunch of primadonna’s. I bet there is a lot of grumbling around the league this morning at the position, that if Hopkins is worth 27, they are worth <fill in the amount>. 

How does one CB cover a 1/3 of the field?  What if 3 WR’s all line up to his side?

Yup.  Honestly with the life span of nfl contracts and them not being guaranteed, almost every position should think like this.  Hell RBs, should try and get a new contract after their rookie years if they have a good season. 

[NoSaint]

36 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Well it will be interesting later this year when they play each other.

$27 Million WR vs. $17 Million CB.

to be fair, for Arizona it’s now a 5 year 94m deal 

 

so 17 vs 18 per.

[Andrew Son]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He may not but the fact the Bills gave up a 1st means Diggs and his agent have a ton of leverage. Right now, he’s the 14th highest paid wr making half of what Hopkins makes.  Other guys deals will be up and he will drop even lower. 
 

I think he will be on his best behave this year and hopefully, he balls out (have him on 3 fantasy teams).  But if I was an agent, I’d explore a new deal because of the leverage they have on the Bills. 

Odd take.  They would have the leverage if Diggs was a free agent before 2024.

[ColoradoBills]

19 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

I love Diggs, but there is a wide gap between Deandre Hopkins and him.

 

Of course there is.  One thing I don't understand is why there needs to be a comparison of every top 5 players in their position around the league

to every comparable Bills player.  There is 32 teams in the league and the math proves that it is illogical.

 

I'm not saying you are one doing this and like I said I agree that Hopkins is an elite WR.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

Hopkins is great but wow that's a lot of money for a WR.  Diggs deal is looking better and better.

 

We better hope we win it all this year. It's going to be hard to keep the band together going forward.

Edited September 8, 2020 by PromoTheRobot

[billsfan89]

27 million per-year? That is insane Michael Thomas who is just as good of a player got 22.5 million aav or about that much. Are you telling me Hopkins is 5 million dollar better? Insane, good for Hopkins but that really throws the WR market out of whack. 

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

27 million per-year? That is insane Michael Thomas who is just as good of a player got 22.5 million aav or about that much. Are you telling me Hopkins is 5 million dollar better? Insane, good for Hopkins but that really throws the WR market out of whack. 

His Arizona contract will be 5 years 94m

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

We better hope we win it all this year. It's going to be hard to keep the band together going forward.

 

Your point is exactly the challenge of every team in the NFL.  It's so tough to do it and changes in personnel is the one constant.

I take Beane and McDermott at their word about building a team that will be competitive for years to come.  That means a lot of tough decisions

and drafting well.

 

Beane will have to role out of contracts with certain players going forward and lett them hit the FA or try to trade those guys for something.

LOL, there is going to be a lot of moaning and groaning in the next couple of years on this board as some of these players leave.

 

The one difference I truly am banking on is that the "process" brings in players that have the success of the team as important as their own success.

An example of what I mean is what Tre said in his presser yesterday.  He is happy to say that for one moment his was the highest paid CB in the

league.  He didn't need to "reset" the CB market (like Hopkins just did).   

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

His Arizona contract will be 5 years 94m

 

That makes more sense 18.8 million aav puts it under Thomas by a big number (Of course Hopkins is older and had more years remaining.)

[ColoradoBills]

22 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

to be fair, for Arizona it’s now a 5 year 94m deal 

 

so 17 vs 18 per.

 

You bring up a good point about a lot of contracts that are results of trades.  I think too many fans get hung up on "average" money per year

and things like that.

 

Both Hopkins and Diggs remaining money on their contracts both seem low but that is only the result of the trade.

Hopkins for his last 3 year in Texas was paid 48 million (not cap hit that was his pay).  This included that last year of his "cheap" rookie contract.

What was left was 3 more years of his 5 year contract of about 13 million each year in cash.

 

Once again my point is this "average" stuff and cap hits taken by the team really doesn't mean to much to the players.

 

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You bring up a good point about a lot of contracts that are results of trades.  I think too many fans get hung up on "average" money per year

and things like that.

 

Both Hopkins and Diggs remaining money on their contracts both seem low but that is only the result of the trade.

Hopkins for his last 3 year in Texas was paid 48 million (not cap hit that was his pay).  This included that last year of his "cheap" rookie contract.

What was left was 3 more years of his 5 year contract of about 13 million each year in cash.

 

Once again my point is this "average" stuff and cap hits taken by the team really doesn't mean to much to the players.

 

for sure. 
 

in this case, turning a 3 year into a 5 and giving a little raise just makes the new money look insane when in a vacuum as they are condensing 3 years of the raise plus 2 years of salary into the term “new money”

hard to call that a 27m per year contract though 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

for sure. 
 

in this case, turning a 3 year into a 5 and giving a little raise just makes the new money look insane when in a vacuum as they are condensing 3 years of the raise plus 2 years of salary into the term “new money”

hard to call that a 27m per year contract though 

 

So very true.  All that being said a GM has to also add in the "cost" of what the trade draft picks are worth.  All these parameters are so much

more complex than what the average fan thinks of.  Some GMs are good at it and some are not, just like any other worker in life.

 

Personally I find it fascinating and a very complex aspect of NFL football.

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, TheElectricCompany said:

I love Diggs, but there is a wide gap between Deandre Hopkins and him.

Wrong.  Hopkins is solid but he is not spectacular.  Diggs has more upside because he is more athletic.  

[NoSaint]

28 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

So very true.  All that being said a GM has to also add in the "cost" of what the trade draft picks are worth.  All these parameters are so much

more complex than what the average fan thinks of.  Some GMs are good at it and some are not, just like any other worker in life.

 

Personally I find it fascinating and a very complex aspect of NFL football.

yup- weighing a trade can be a lot of factors. 
 

in this case the (albeit low) draft pick and what they could’ve spent the money on in free agency. Many fans weigh one or the other.

 

hopkins vs a pick and a premiere free agent (or two good ones) here. 

[Kwai San]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I think most of you are missing the point.  Or perhaps I am overly focused on one thing.  The man renegotiated or negotiated depending on your take, this contract himself.  No agent, no % going to anyone but himself.  That is my mind is pretty impressive.  Not only is he an exceptional WR, he is a deal maker.  Congrats DeAndre....well played sir.  $42.75 MILLION bucks at signing...GUARANTEED.........amazeballs!

[947]

Hopkins has 830 targets over the past 5 seasons to Diggs' 534. Diggs will never get the volume in our offense to get very close to Hopkins' numbers. He'll probably get a new deal at some point, but nowhere near what Hopkins got. Hopefully he enjoys winning.

[Mike in Horseheads]

What % does a agent usually bank that makes Hoppys take home pay even more since he did it himself?