PPP Under Fire

[SoTier]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

1. I do not care what the athletes say/do on their own time, provided it is legal. 

Can you "protest" while working at your job? Could you force your employer to allow you to "protest" on the job?  Or, should  your job be a place of work and dedication to that job when on  the company's dime?

The NFL has spent decades trying to build themselves as pro-American with the armed forces, singling the National Anthem, etc. They have not allowed anything on uniforms that was individualized - heck, they would not allow the  Dallas Cowboys to put decals supporting 5 fallen police officers on their helmets. Brandon Marshall could not support mental health issues. DeAngelo Williams could not wear pink all season in honor of his mother who died of breast cancer, and was told no (and this is with the NFL having a pink-month!)  Now, suddenly,  "protesting" on company time is a-ok?  The ratings should be interesting.

2. Feel free to rationally, reasonably, and unemotionally express your viewpoints. 

3. The framers of the Constitution were pretty smart guys. You are never going to see a popular-vote election.

 

 

1. "Can you "protest" while working at your job? Could you force your employer to allow you to "protest" on the job?  Or, should  your job be a place of work and dedication to that job when on  the company's dime?"

 

When employees have enough power, they can.  Industrial labor unions demonstrated beginning in the 1930s through the 1960s.  Professional sports are dependent upon individuals with special talents to have success because their "product" is entertainment.  There are fewer than 10,000 men at any given time good enough to play in the NFL, NBA, and MLB.  Without the players, there is no product, and most -- 70 percent or more -- NFL, NBA, and MLB players are Black or Latino.  That's power.   They aren't the easily replaceable cogs in an industrial or commercial machine.

 

More importantly, just because you, as a white conservative, don't recognize or ignore evidence of significant changes in society doesn't mean that those changes aren't happening or haven't happened.   Society is constantly changing.  Deal with it.

 

2.  What exactly are your definitions of ""rational", "reasonable" and "unemotional"?   I'm not the one calling other posters names or getting warned much less banned.  I'm the one posting facts that some other posters don't like because it reminds them of the failure of the current occupant of the White House to effectively do his job, which is to lead the country.

 

3.  Never say never. 

 

44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

And there is a reason for that. Hapless has the ability to give me a time-out for disagreeing. Now, I am not sure Hapless will do that, but I have had posts that contradicted that thread's narrative deleted, soooo 🤷‍♂️ why continue when only one type of article is allowed?
 

 

Excuse me, but I think that you're blowing smoke, lady.   I've disagreed with the premises of numerous threads/posts posted on PPP, TSW, and OTW and have never had issues with Hapless except when I've been warned about the way that I wrote some posts, but never with the opposition itself.   If you take your own advice and post in a "rational","reasonable", and/or "unemotional" manner, you aren't going to have posts deleted.

 

[BullBuchanan]

On 9/5/2020 at 10:46 AM, IDBillzFan said:

 

 

No matter how hard some of us try, it seems no one cares that we turn to pastimes like sports and entertainment to ESCAPE politics and the increased amount of divisiveness it intentionally creates. 

 

We don't want or need to be lectured by LeBron James, Taylor Swift, Colin Kaepernick or Jim Gaffigan. We don't need to be educated by a Drew Brees helmet sticker. We just want to enjoy the effin' game or concert. My only hope is that the huge BLM push by MLB and NBA continues to destroy the fanbase so they'll all STFU and get back to doing what we asked them to do: perform for a few hours so as to distract us from the daily grind.

You just want to ESCAPE into the politics of your choosing. If you really wanted to do away with politics in sports, the easiest way to do it is to get the anthem and military displays out of there altogether.

On 9/5/2020 at 3:55 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

Dear God this is pathetic.

 

I've now been venturing into PPP for a few years and nothing's changed over the last 3 years other than there actually being more of a balance between reasonable posters on BOTH sides of the political spectrum and the OP getting banned for a month for clearly not following his own advice. 

 

And #2 of the "ROE" is friggin hilarious. "Show your work" is followed by "stick around for an adult conversation." It's not exactly possible to have an adult conversation with anyone who automatically dismisses the work showed because of the message and the source.

 

You're the one who's fostered this culture of derision over here @Deranged Rhino along with a few other posters (a couple of whom are currently on my ignore list; as @Buffalo_Gal mentioned "ignore is your friend") and to try to pin blame on "the Other" is so hilariously disingenuous of you, which is appropriate.

 

I'd applaud this thread coming from almost anyone else.

 

Coming from you, it's a joke.

 

2 months until your new avatar...

This post coming from Rhino is a complete joke. He's patient zero for this cesspool of conspiracy theories, nationalism and factless assertions.

[BullBuchanan]

On 9/5/2020 at 1:08 PM, GG said:

Yes, some posters are perfectly willing to sacrifice lives for a political benefit.  

You just described every war that ever took place.

[Deranged Rhino]

What's most amazing about this thread is all the posters who can't hang with the second rule are the ones most loudly objecting (objecting to what, no one knows considering the subject of the thread)  

 

It's hilariously predictable. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Billsmisery said:

Deranged is a good name for you. A complete blowhard if I must say so myself!

 

Rule 2: Show your work. 

[IDBillzFan]

32 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You just want to ESCAPE into the politics of your choosing. If you really wanted to do away with politics in sports, the easiest way to do it is to get the anthem and military displays out of there altogether.

 

I have no problem with that at all, though it did provide an amazing Whitney Houston moment most Americans consider one of the best anthems ever.

 

The reality is that until recently, there was only a small number of people who genuinely and openly didn't love their country. They may have hated political parties, or different presidential campaigns, but most people always loved their country.

 

That is no longer the case. The DNC has outed themselves by tightly being tied with people (BLM,  Antifa) who hate this country the way it is, and want to destroy its structure and bring Marxism to the forefront while purposefully planning to  do away with the nuclear family. As long as the DNC swaps money with BLM and Antifa -- which they do -- this is not a debatable fact. This is why Biden is suddenly anti-police and has admitted he is in favor of defunding police.

 

So this election is really coming down to two things: do you love your country and your police or do you hate them? 

 

Love them? Vote Trump. Hate them? Vote Biden.

 

That's why you see one side harassing average, everyday people trying to have a nice dinner by yelling and screaming before setting things on fire, and one side is running around on the streets and in their boats with American flags, cheering on police whenever they see them, and singing "God Bless America." 

 

It's not complicated.

[BullBuchanan]

7 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I have no problem with that at all, though it did provide an amazing Whitney Houston moment most Americans consider one of the best anthems ever.

 

The reality is that until recently, there was only a small number of people who genuinely and openly didn't love their country. They may have hated political parties, or different presidential campaigns, but most people always loved their country.

 

That is no longer the case. The DNC has outed themselves by tightly being tied with people (BLM,  Antifa) who hate this country the way it is, and want to destroy its structure and bring Marxism to the forefront while purposefully planning to  do away with the nuclear family. As long as the DNC swaps money with BLM and Antifa -- which they do -- this is not a debatable fact. This is why Biden is suddenly anti-police and has admitted he is in favor of defunding police.

 

So this election is really coming down to two things: do you love your country and your police or do you hate them? 

 

Love them? Vote Trump. Hate them? Vote Biden.

 

That's why you see one side harassing average, everyday people trying to have a nice dinner by yelling and screaming before setting things on fire, and one side is running around on the streets and in their boats with American flags, cheering on police whenever they see them, and singing "God Bless America." 

 

It's not complicated.

The fact that republicans try to lump in a right leaning conservative in Biden with some sort of extreme left wing socialism is just beyond comprehension. Nearly the entire democratic party with very few exceptions is comprised of right of center neo-liberals. People that are actually leftists, can't stand them. I have no intention of voting for Biden. He's just George Bush in a blue tie. I desperately wish Biden was all the things the extreme right accuses him of being. It's 10x cooler than he actually is, and I'd vote for that guy in a heartbeat. 

I do however hate the police.


This was a nice little bonus though:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/multiple-boats-in-distress-sinking-at-trump-boat-parade-on-lake-travis

Edited September 6, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[IDBillzFan]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The fact that republicans try to lump in a right leaning conservative in Biden with some sort of extreme left wing socialism is just beyond comprehension. Nearly the entire democratic party with very few exceptions is comprised of right of center neo-liberals. People that are actually leftists, can't stand them. I have no intention of voting for Biden. He's just George Bush in a blue tie. I desperately wish Biden was all the things the extreme right accuses him of being. It's 10x cooler than he actually is, and I'd vote for that guy in a heartbeat. 

I do however hate the police.


This was a nice little bonus though:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/multiple-boats-in-distress-sinking-at-trump-boat-parade-on-lake-travis

 

So your problem is that Biden is not more closely tied to BLM and Antifa? He's not far enough left for you?  Even though he has policies being written by Bernie and AOC?

 

Just out of curiosity, who WOULD you vote for?

 

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

So your problem is that Biden is not more closely tied to BLM and Antifa? He's not far enough left for you?  Even though he has policies being written by Bernie and AOC?

 

Just out of curiosity, who WOULD you vote for?

 

Bernie, who is economically a bit to the right of me but would have represented a shift in a direction that represents most of what I believe in. Warren, who is distantly to the right of me, but has a strong record as a consumer protection advocate.

They were my only options this year at the presidential level. Keeping an eye on folks for 2024.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Bernie, who is economically a bit to the right of me but would have represented a shift in a direction that represents most of what I believe in. Warren, who is distantly to the right of me, but has a strong record as a consumer protection advocate.

They were my only options this year at the presidential level. Keeping an eye on folks for 2024.

 

Lookie here, got ourselves an outed pinko. 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Lookie here, got ourselves an outed pinko. 

Nope. We've been over that before.

[IDBillzFan]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Bernie, who is economically a bit to the right of me but would have represented a shift in a direction that represents most of what I believe in. Warren, who is distantly to the right of me, but has a strong record as a consumer protection advocate.

They were my only options this year at the presidential level. Keeping an eye on folks for 2024.

 

So basically you're looking for the next Che Guevara.

 

Got it.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Nope. We've been over that before.

If bernie sanders, A DEMOCRATIC DOCIALIST, is to the right of you economically, you're a communist.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

If bernie sanders, A DEMOCRATIC DOCIALIST, is to the right of you economically, you're a communist.

There's more room between communist and democratic socialist than there is between Democrat and Republican. Bernie claims he is is a Democratic Socialist, but he's more of a Social Democrat.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Billsmisery said:

What a douche of a profile pic you have there! 

 

Glad you like it. Who are you again?

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

There's more room between communist and democratic socialist than there is between Democrat and Republican. Bernie claims he is is a Democratic Socialist, but he's more of a Social Democrat.

 

I'll agree with you that there's little room between democrats and republicans. 

[IDBillzFan]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Glad you like it. Who are you again?

 

It's hard to tell. Once they get unhinged, it's difficult to tell them apart.

[Nanker]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

There's more room between communist and democratic socialist than there is between Democrat and Republican. Bernie claims he is is a Democratic Socialist, but he's more of a Social Democrat.

Bernie is a self-serving pandering politician. He’s become wealthy by running for POTUS all the while lining his pockets with campaign contributions funneled to his wife’s fake media company who took 10% of each media placement. 
 

He’s a communist sympathizer and would be sucking the Kremlin’s balls if he ever got elected as President. 

Edited September 6, 2020 by Nanker

[Magox]

11 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

ROTFLMAO!!!  "PPP and forums like it are a threat to all who would love to be able suppress free speech, liberty and viewpoints that differ from their own" but you put posters you disagree with on IGNORE.   That's really supporting free speech.

 

Placing someone on ignore is not akin to suppressing speech.  If I have a tv satellite package and I know that the content of certain channels is content that I have no interest in viewing then I have the option to not subscribe to that channel.

 

 

You stated that people are placing people on ignore simply because they disagree with them and implied that goes against the principles of free speech.   Over half the things you post in PPP I disagree with yet I have no desire to place you on ignore.  Same goes with a number of posters that post here.   Even though I disagree with many of your posts at least you and others are attempting to have a real conversation.  You are engaging in debate that at least has proper motives behind an attempt at honest dialogue.

 

Many of the new posters that have emerged over the past 3 months do not operate in good faith.  They create new threads with no other motives than to troll.   There is no honest debate or dialogue.   Just look at all these accounts, they are brand new accounts that were just recently created and when you combine that with their trolling activity then why should I or for that matter anyone who wants to have an honest back and forth give them the time of day when we know they are a troll account?   The ignore button is a feature of this board and helps reduce the rif raf.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Nanker said:

Bernie is a self-serving pandering politician. He’s become wealthy by running for POTUS all the while lining his pockets with campaign contributions funneled to his wife’s fake media company who took 10% of each media placement. 
 

He’s a communist sympathizer and would be sucking the Kremlin’s balls if he ever got elected as President. 

He's not what I would consider wealthy. If a 35 year old had $50,000 in a 401k and never contributed another cent, they would likely exceed Bernie's net worth by the time they reached his age. 

Given how frequently Sanders has hammered Putin, I don't really see him being a Russian ally.

[Bill from NYC]

On 9/4/2020 at 3:45 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

great points BG and great write up DR...... trolls or the sock puppets are pretty much a known commodity who are here only to goad folks into heated responses which end up "over the line"......ban them and they come back with a new screen name

Which would seem to be a never ending problem for the mods, with no real solution.  Also, the people doing this are not trolls like in the old days OTAFLG. Trolls would consist of people pretending to be Dolphin Fans, and posting things to anger us. Most posters are too sophisticated to be fooled by this anymore. Fans actually welcome posts like this from that Spagnola guy, whatever he calls himself.

The "trolls" of today are not trolls as much as they are political agitators. Expecting the mods (who for the most part do a wonderful job) to be able to keep after all of them would be quite the reach. 

Btw I offer up no solution whereas I have no idea what should be done or how to do it.  This is just a commentary on what is happening imo.