PPP Under Fire

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

  Somehow a threat about a recent Joe Biden speech is generally and derisively characterized as spam, but a long-running thread about Joe Biden’s gaffes is appropriate.  

 

It was characterized that way because it was 1) your actual intent, and 2) there are about three other threads that discussion could have gone into rather than starting a new one. 

 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It was characterized that way because it was 1) your actual intent, and 2) there are about three other threads that discussion could have gone into rather than starting a new one. 

 

 

The decision to start a new thread about a new speech in a new phase of the campaign is one of creator’s discretion, and that discretion was exercised soundly here.  And my intent was to discuss the very important issue of Joe Biden’s quite presidential 9/2 and 9/4 speeches.  It’s a shame that none of the “open-minded” right wingers cared to participate.  

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

 

The decision to start a new thread about a new speech in a new phase of the campaign is one of creator’s discretion, and that discretion was exercised soundly here.  And my intent was to discuss the very important issue of Joe Biden’s quite presidential 9/2 and 9/4 speeches.  It’s a shame that none of the “open-minded” right wingers cared to participate.  

 

Sure it was. That's why you started two different threads. You think you're slick, you ain't. 

[LB3]

3 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

I just tried and I don’t think so unfortunately 

 

3 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Darn. I do about 80% of my time here on the phone. 

I don't have anyone on ignore but just tried and it seemed to work.

-Account

- Ignored Users

-Add new user. Just use their name. You do not need to "@" them.

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, Niagara said:

I would it guess it involves traffic.

429,645 stadium wall
786,864 PPP

 

Notice change happened in 2017 when Trump took office. The left could not swallow it, like the right had to swallow Obama. Left declared war on the right, and it is ongoing still. Game on.

  No doubt it involves traffic.  Also, I think the arena of politics has moved on to the point where a party or a campaign can have a huge interest in influencing this board.  There are Bills fans from the Northern Tier of PA that no doubt drop in on this site including PPP.  Pennsylvania will be a closely contested state this fall for the Presidential campaign.  Also, traditional Republican strongholds such as Monroe County have turned blue.  

 

  Any talk other than limiting the board to one personality-one account is just making dealing with civility too hard on any mod.  I suggest looking at other sites such as hunting or rural living for example.  Nobody has a handful of aliases to move an agenda.  The boards pretty much self regulate themselves because if a poster is outrageous then being ignored is pretty much fatal.  No need for a mod to take somebody out in back of the wood shed unless they use (even unintentionally) a naughty word such as something associated with a reproductive act.  

  

  I'd hate to lose PPP as it gives a good barometer as to how others feel that shares a common interest or background.  Also, there just is not enough quality Bills related topics to keep interest at TSW.   Too many of the topics there boil down to if the Bills won the sports related lottery in terms of players or coaches.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It was characterized that way because it was 1) your actual intent, and 2) there are about three other threads that discussion could have gone into rather than starting a new one. 

 

 

Rule #2 - what 3 threads?

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Sure it was. That's why you started two different threads. You think you're slick, you ain't. 

 

And it was fair to discuss them in different threads.  Here’s the solution.  If you don’t like it, then don’t read it.  Don’t complain about it.  And don’t try to censor it. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

 

And it was fair to discuss them in different threads.  Here’s the solution.  If you don’t like it, then don’t read it.  Don’t complain about it.  And don’t try to censor it. 

 

If only PPP was as easy as Twitter.

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  No doubt it involves traffic.  Also, I think the arena of politics has moved on to the point where a party or a campaign can have a huge interest in influencing this board.  There are Bills fans from the Northern Tier of PA that no doubt drop in on this site including PPP.  Pennsylvania will be a closely contested state this fall for the Presidential campaign.  Also, traditional Republican strongholds such as Monroe County have turned blue.  

 

  Any talk other than limiting the board to one personality-one account is just making dealing with civility too hard on any mod.  I suggest looking at other sites such as hunting or rural living for example.  Nobody has a handful of aliases to move an agenda.  The boards pretty much self regulate themselves because if a poster is outrageous then being ignored is pretty much fatal.  No need for a mod to take somebody out in back of the wood shed unless they use (even unintentionally) a naughty word such as something associated with a reproductive act.  

  

  I'd hate to lose PPP as it gives a good barometer as to how others feel that shares a common interest or background.  Also, there just is not enough quality Bills related topics to keep interest at TSW.   Too many of the topics there boil down to if the Bills won the sports related lottery in terms of players or coaches.

 

Highly doubt the influence point.  I don’t have traffic numbers, but, having been in the business, nobody would waste their time with a bunch of randos like this.  At least nobody who has any kind of clue what they’re doing. 

[wnyguy]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

The decision to start a new thread about a new speech in a new phase of the campaign is one of creator’s discretion, and that discretion was exercised soundly here.  And my intent was to discuss the very important issue of Joe Biden’s quite presidential 9/2 and 9/4 speeches.  It’s a shame that none of the “open-minded” right wingers cared to participate.  

 

You see, here is the problem, the fact that you said Biden's speeches were Presidential and important was viewed as satire by anyone with a working brain cell, so that explains why that thread went off the rails so quickly.

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Highly doubt the influence point.  I don’t have traffic numbers, but, having been in the business, nobody would waste their time with a bunch of randos like this.  At least nobody who has any kind of clue what they’re doing. 

  Most boards regardless of subject matter tend to have far more "lurkers" than posters.  It's far more than reaching a handful of regulars.  Depending on the district a race can boil down to a few hundred vote difference or less.  Politics in terms of national importance has big money flowing through it.  I am sorry but the intensity in the POTUS race here ranges far outside of personal interest.  

[SectionC3]

5 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

 

You see, here is the problem, the fact that you said Biden's speeches were Presidential and important was viewed as satire by anyone with a working brain cell, so that explains why that thread went off the rails so quickly.

I’m not sure how characterizing a speech that I liked (and, frankly, that was very well delivered) could be viewed ironic or sarcastic in any reasonable world.  

5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Most boards regardless of subject matter tend to have far more "lurkers" than posters.  It's far more than reaching a handful of regulars.  Depending on the district a race can boil down to a few hundred vote difference or less.  Politics in terms of national importance has big money flowing through it.  I am sorry but the intensity in the POTUS race here ranges far outside of personal interest.  

 

Sure.  But all that said the demographics of a place like this aren’t clear.  Don’t know who the people are, ages, genders, where they live, etc.  It’s a waste of time to deal with them.  Go on FB and hit them that way with microtargeted advertising.  Geofence them.  Piggyback them (buy call logs from talk radio stations, etc.)  But gambling that a bunch of randos might be in the demo you want and might live in the place you want?  Waste of time. 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

I’m not sure how characterizing a speech that I liked (and, frankly, that was very well delivered) could be viewed ironic or sarcastic in any reasonable world.  

I think that tells you something about the red:blue ratio on PPP. Many people couldn't imagine a post would actually be about what it claimed to be about.

[Deranged Rhino]

Sharing useful information, fostering discussions even on controversial topics = a waste of time to some. 

 

Got it. 

[SectionC3]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

Sharing useful information, fostering discussions even on controversial topics = a waste of time to some. 

 

Got it. 

 

Context is key.  If you think you’re going to win an election on an Internet message board like this one, you don’t know what you’re doing.  It is a waste of time.  All day long. 

[Deranged Rhino]

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You should be willing and prepared to show your work, back up your opinions and analysis by engaging in an actual discussion of the topic. That means sticking around to have an adult conversation, not just throwing bombs or insults then fleeing the scene.

[DFT]

Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

You should be willing and prepared to show your work, back up your opinions and analysis by engaging in an actual discussion of the topic. That means sticking around to have an adult conversation, not just throwing bombs or insults then fleeing the scene.

“I'll be back when Biden wins. Until then, sayonara all.“

 

 

- Liar

[Deranged Rhino]

Yes. I never show my work or foster conversations. There's not pages and pages of me doing just that which show (again) that he's a liar who's just upset because I'm able to make him spiral with just one post.  

[shoshin]

25 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Which, for me, is one of the biggest reasons to keep PPP around despite the flaws. If it goes away, that self control will as well. Especially during this election cycle. It would bring a good chunk of this to TSW and OTW -- which would ruin those boards for the many, many posters who go there for an escape from exactly that kind of stuff. 

Let’s reframe this point.
 

“Without PPP, the crappy behavior people at PPP exhibit would ruin the rest of TBD.”

 

First, true admission that people act uncivil and crappy here. 
 

Second, true that most humans would find the behavior at PPP offensive. 
 

Third, false that somehow if PPP disappeared, the small group of PPP posters couldn’t find another place to congregate...and the mods could just delete bad behavior in on those boards like they already do.