Deranged Rhino Posted September 7, 2020 Author Posted September 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: Tho I call it my varmint list. It's not a bad list at all -- though I'd argue at least Frank will have a conversation, so will Buftex on the rare blue moon. Kemp used to be capable but no more. 4
Unforgiven Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) I think it was Frank that said something like anyone that supported Trump would have their judgement day. That kind of annoyed me a lot. Also generally I wouldn't mind really but if all you got is the same old Trump is bad thing, with no real support to back anything up beside feels...it just gets old. Edited September 7, 2020 by Unforgiven 3
3rdnlng Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: I think it was Frank that said something like anyone that supported Trump would have their judgement day. That kind of annoyed me a lot. Judgement days can be good though I don't think that's the way he meant it.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 7, 2020 Author Posted September 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: I think it was Frank that said something like anyone that supported Trump would have their judgement day. That kind of annoyed me a lot. Also generally I wouldn't mind really but if all you got is the same old Trump is bad thing, with no real support to back anything up beside feels...it just gets old. No arguments I thought it was BillsMisery or whoever that was that said the comment about being judged, maybe it was Frank. I've had a busy past 5 days so I missed a bit I'm sure. 1
Niagara Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 2 hours ago, FireChans said: If I thought moderation could be fair, I would just input a "low-effort post" rule. Single photos/memes and dumb ass one liners would be reportable and deleteable. But impartial moderation would never happen. Self-policing or bust. The government that governs best is the one that governs least. "Just input a "low-effort post" rule." I think is a good idea to achieve a self police goal. Too Easy to bump or derail a thread with a three word sentence. 3
bdutton Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Niagara said: The government that governs best is the one that governs least. "Just input a "low-effort post" rule." I think is a good idea to achieve a self police goal. Too Easy to bump or derail a thread with a three word sentence. This bears repeating. 1 2
Numark3 Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Unforgiven said: Tho I call it my varmint list. I support free speech these guys can post whatever they want, I just don't have to read it. your list is just the leftists it seems. There are some trolls here that do nothing but spam who aren’t left 1
SectionC3 Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Unforgiven said: Tho I call it my varmint list. I support free speech these guys can post whatever they want, I just don't have to read it. So someone who disagrees with you is a bad apple?
3rdnlng Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Niagara said: The government that governs best is the one that governs least. "Just input a "low-effort post" rule." I think is a good idea to achieve a self police goal. Too Easy to bump or derail a thread with a three word sentence. Our issues are not low effort posts which may only be short and to the point but senseless posts or posts made to simply inflame. The simpletons making these low effort posts could just lengthen them to meet the new criteria. We need to solve the problem not the symptoms. Solving the problem would be getting the bad posters to either change their ways or go away. We can't ban someone ourselves and tattling enough to get rid of the trash would only get us moderated. It's our problem to solve. Just spit balling it here but what if we made a real commitment to "shun" them? We all pretty much know who the real jerks are but if we set up some parameters for posting here and agreed upon a panel of reasonable and fair people we could have them determine "ignore" recommendations. If everybody ignores the stupid posters then sooner or later hey'll go away. Just a thought. 2 1
realtruelove Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: your list is just the leftists it seems. There are some trolls here that do nothing but spam who aren’t left You don't get to choose who or why someone is on his list. 1 1
Niagara Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 55 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: Tho I call it my varmint list. I support free speech these guys can post whatever they want, I just don't have to read it. Very interesting. Especially to a newbe. I originally thought Kemp would be a conservative given how Jack Kemp was, until not. The teams do not wear uniforms, so a roster list is helpful. They are so similar in the length (short) and depth (or lack thereof) of their posts. Kudos to DR for starting the discussion. 1
3rdnlng Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: your list is just the leftists it seems. There are some trolls here that do nothing but spam who aren’t left Can you provide a list so that other people can agree or disagree with you?
keepthefaith Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Niagara said: Very interesting. Especially to a newbe. I originally thought Kemp would be a conservative given how Jack Kemp was, until not. Yeah, it's the height of disrespect for Jack Kemp who was a wonderful public servant who just happened to play football. 1 1
shoshin Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: PPP is “dark and seedy”. Why, Shoshin? Show your work. If you want to play coy about PPP's past, feel free, but no one needs to revisit the really dark stuff in detail publicly. 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: And what agenda is that? Show your work. Shirley you jest. Disclaimer: Q, or QAnon is a highly charged subject, prone to disinformation, propaganda, and extreme partisanship. The goal of this thread is not to prove or disprove Q's authenticity (that is largely irrelevant - though I will give an overview of both sides below), but rather to examine the information shared with the world by Q. Whether Q is real or a LARP, the information Q team has been sharing since October of last year has enthralled millions (over 20 million by last count), prompting them to dig into esoteric and highly controversial subjects. I have said in the past, and maintain this to be true today, that Q is best treated as a supplemental source or a springboard rather than an oracle. Your own discernment is key, trust your own judgement and gut! Q-acronyms (for this post): IC: Intelligence Community KSA: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia MI: Military Intelligence PMC: Private Military Contractors USIC: US Intelligence Community Introduction to QAnon: QAnon, or Q, is an anonymous source claiming to have Q level clearance (Q clearance in the DoE is the highest clearance one can have) who has been dropping coded "crumbs" on several message boards since October 2017. The information presented by Q aligns with the material presented in the Deep State thread in that it lays out an ongoing war behind the scenes between elements of the global IC. To many, Q is a LARP (Live Action Role Play, or a fake in other words) preying on conspiracy inclined folks in an effort to distract and divide people's focus from actual corruption and criminality going on under the noses in the Trump administration. To many more, Q is very real and presenting verifiable information that's been confirmed time and time again by subsequent events. Since Q's first post on October 28, 2017, Q-Team has posted 1,240 times - these posts are referred to in Q parlance as "crumbs". They're called crumbs because they are often encoded with more information than first appears evident and require researchers to dig into them and "bake" the intelligence product contained therein. Some of the crumbs are highly controversial and will (undoubtedly) trigger some folks down here. The majority of crumbs, however, are backed by overwhelming evidence to support them. According to Q, the mission of Q-Team is to provide "the largest intelligence drop in world history to the people". According to Q's detractors, Q's purpose is to trick people into trusting 45 and is nothing more than a cheap parlor trick designed to secure a second term for Trump. There's evidence you can pull directly from Q's crumbs to make both cases - which only adds to the mystery. This topic will undoubtedly trigger mockery and ridicule (that's okay), but while plenty of people will want to focus on whether or not Q is legit I will be attempting to keep the focus of the thread on the information shared by Q and what we can verify from it. Because of the massive scope of this topic, I wanted to include a Q primer and walk you through a few key crumbs, a few key validations of Q, a few Q misses, and wrap it all up with links and information for people to do their own digging. As such, I've broken this up into several sections: * What drew me into Q, * What convinced me that Q was more than a LARP * Q’s multiple personalities * What “future proves past” confirmations we’ve seen from Q and Trump * Q MAPS * Direct Q Links What drew me to Q: It was a combination of my investigation into Flynn and his team of leak-killers he had assembled in the NSC – a story which I had been covering and researching since November 2016 – and my separate interests in the esoteric and ET rabbit holes. At first blush that seems like an odd combination, but the research into both those topics often takes me to various message boards and parts of the web where “anonymous insiders” tend to pop up and spill the beans on various things. Nine times out of ten these “anonymous insiders” posting on message boards are nothing but impostors, charlatans, or LARPs designed to “troll” people into believing them. I’ve been exposed to these sorts often, and as such I like to think I’ve developed a pretty good BS meter. Since most of the “insiders” I have stumbled onto before focus on ET stuff – which I research for entertainment purposes as well as material for my day job more so than for “real” information – they tend to be easier for me to expose as being fakes since I am well versed in all the mythology, lore, and case studies of real whistleblowers that these impostors usually burn out quick. In October of 2017 I was already nearing a year into my research for a book project (of which this is now a chapter), the circle of PMCs and USIC officials whom I’d interviewed or struck up relationships with for research purposes was over two dozen. I was convinced by mid-October ’17 that my “leak killer” theory had teeth, and had pinpointed two of the men who were working with Flynn (David Cattler and Ezra Cohen Watknik). I was also, by this point, pretty convinced that Mueller was working with Trump rather than against him – something that is still highly controversial. This theory had far less concrete evidence to support it, but it was a conversation with one of Cattler’s men that turned my head in this direction. Finally, by October of ’17, as most are well aware, I had long been suspicious of an ongoing civil war within the IC. I detailed in January of 2017 how Trump’s first day in office was spent gutting career officials at State and CIA. He even went so far as to give a speech at Langley, with Flynn by his side, wherein he said he was going to “remove the columns”. Columns, in this sense, meaning the fifth column of corrupt media, career bureaucrats, and others actively working against the interests of the American people and for the betterment of their own organization – whatever that organization may be. This is all to recap where I was with my own work before “Q” started posting... I happened to be made aware of Q on day two of his posting because, by happy “coincidence” I was conducting interviews with three younger (active) SEALS who were themselves on the boards reading the posts as they happened. This was standard practice for these guys, they liked to make fun of the LARPers pretending to be “intelligence operators” or “former SEALS”. So when “Q” popped up, they read me into him right away. However, unlike the other “insiders” we had laughed about in the past, the first reaction I got from these guys was, “he’s formatted his posts to avoid the sniffers” – meaning, whoever Q was knew much more than the average person would about how the NSA triggers worked. So, despite these SEALS not being full believers from day one, they were curious enough by HOW Q wrote his posts to take notice. That, to me, was interesting. I didn't put any more stock into it than that and continued about my own research. But still, the first few Q posts – which are linked below – were so outrageous in their predictions that MY first take was that it was disinformation by someone, or some group, trying to distract us. Though, posting on 4Chan at the time seemed like a silly way to “distract” anyone since it’s not exactly a mainstream site. Q PROVES TO BE MORE THAN A LARP: I drove back from my interviews that October night thinking that Q was a very well read, very well informed, LARP. I thought he had interesting information, probably a background in Military Intelligence based on what the guys were telling me about his prose (abbreviations used to beat sniffers, leading questions that forced the reader to make the connections rather than spelling it out so the sniffers could smash it et al), but nothing more. Over the next few days, Q’s posts increased in volume and intensity. It started to draw the eyes of a lot of diverse “conspiracy” people as well as a large number of people who had never looked into any of that stuff. It was fascinating to watch unfold, made for great reading material, but ultimately I was certain this Q LARP would burn out in a few days. I was wrong. On October 31st, Q made two posts, including a prediction that would become the first confirmation of his authenticity. The first post was his first on October 31st – I think most of you will recognize how this spoke to me specifically: This hit on EVERYTHING I had been working on with Flynn and Mueller for almost a year at that point. It also hit on the election being rigged as well as Trump being asked to run by MI – which is something else I had independently “confirmed” (as much as one can) from multiple sources inside MI. That post was followed up with this one, which again drew my attention for the use of the term “Wizards and Warlocks” which, I had learned by this point, was a very inside baseball term used by the NSA. They consider themselves to be the council of Wizards and Warlocks. This is a CRUCIAL Q post because it’s often used to debunk all the other Q crumbs. Podesta and Huma were not indicted on 11/3 or 11/6. File this away, I’ll have more to say on it later. Note his comment on Manafort being a plant – this is something else I had independently come to suspect, and here it was being “confirmed”. I was stunned. There is also the note that Soros was targeted – which then was confirmed three days later with the arrest of Howard Rubin for human trafficking and violent rape, and Soros dumping all his money into a nonprofit, presumably to prevent it from being seized. : http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/millionaire-accused-assaulting-raping-models-dungeon-article-1.3610943 Real information mixed with disinformation is a pattern with Q that we will see repeated, especially early on in his posting history. We will touch more on why this is important and necessary as we go through… This post was followed up with two posts, one on October 31st and another on November 3rd, that would end up convincing me of Q’s authenticity. In the following crumbs, Q predicts what is about to happen in KSA, an event NO ONE saw coming, not the media, not me, not any of the guys I was interviewing… yet Q knew: (Emphasis my own) Nov 3 2017 14:33:30AnonymousID: GVUvg1M7147816901Where is John Podesta? Where is Tony Podesta? Did one or both escape the country and was let out? WHERE IS BO? WHERE WAS BO YESTERDAY? What is the difference between commercial and private re: security clearance for departure? Who is the TSA head? Which party did he contribute to? What is of particular interest when researching? How does HS interact w/ TSA? What updated post 9-11 protocols were put in place to prevent/stop inbound/outbound C-level targets? What local airports are in close proximity to DC? What happened shortly after 9-11 (specifically with all aircraft)? Who was authorized to depart? ONLY 1 PLANE was authorized during this 'mandatory forced grounding'. Who SPECIFICALLY authorized this? What airport did the departure take place at? Why is this relevant? How does it tie together? Podesta's plane has military escort (i.e. tag) and is being diverted (forced down). Short delay. This will be leaked. Watch the news. Have faith. What fake news anchor will not be on air tonight? Why is this relevant? What was stated in the past? Where did the $18b from Soros go? Why? Can it be used by bad actors (escape, bribes, rogue contractors, etc.)? Slush fund? Did the US gov't seize/stop/track other slush funds that prevent or create risk to operate?Why did JK travel to SA recently? What is SA known for? Where do the biggest donations originate from? Why is this relevant? What else is relevant w/ SA? Safe harbor? Port of transfer? Why was there a recent smear campaign against JK and POTUS? Why is the timing important? Who released the article? The council of Wizards & Warlocks cannot be defeated. Nice view up here. Q My research left me well versed in how dirty KSA was and how deeply tied into the human trafficking and darker occult stuff they were. This is something I've shared with this board for years now. Last year I was given the opportunity to learn more first hand how bad the trafficking problem in and out of KSA was, prior to the purge and this Q crumb. So when these two crumbs dropped – followed by the prayer, the SAME prayer I witnessed several of the PMCs using before going on human trafficking raids that year themselves – I was intrigued. Then, the next day, November 4th 2017, the KSA purge happened – confirming all of the above. We can’t clean up the corruption globally without taking the big financiers off the board. By and large those aren’t Americans, they’re Saudis (and other foreign nationals). What happened in KSA was the first big victory for the good guys, and it has influenced everything we’ve seen play out domestically since that day. This also ties back into the disinformation I mentioned in Q’s earlier crumbs. When you go back through Q’s crumbs you’ll see a lot about HRC/Huma being arrested and the National Guard being called up as well as civil unrest being discussed. It’s all focused here, in the USA, and I (and the MI guys who I’ve discussed Q with) believe now this was deliberate disinformation designed to make HRC and that cabal think they were going to be swept up while the real action was happening in KSA – the puppet masters not the puppets were the target. Because in KSA the national guard WAS called up, people were arrested – it was just a head feint. This was confirmed on November 4th by Q: This was the first big confirmation for me. And I started to follow Q closely afterwards. The final point to make clear, because if you dig into Q you will run across it, within the first few days after the first Q post, sealed magistrate orders started piling up in record numbers across the country. We’re up to over 20,000 to date. We don’t know what these are, they could be indictments, they could be search warrants, but the number since October is unprecedented. It shows, above all else, that something is bubbling behind the scenes. "FUTURE PROVES PAST": “Future Proves Past” is a common turn of phrase from Q. He says it often, referencing how his drops will be confirmed by news to come in future weeks. The KSA Purge was the first, but there have been others. The most impressive, to me, was the change in the Lord’s Prayer. Randomly the Lord’s prayer is included at the end of this crumb without explanation. Then, just a few weeks later: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42279427 Q is back to drive the point home the next day: The most blatant piece of confirmation I've seen from 45 himself happened in the video below (I forget the exact date, but recently - I'm trying to wrap this post up before lunch). What's key to reference here is that for weeks prior to this moment, Q had been dropping "set the stage" a lot in his crumbs. The need to "set the stage"... then, as Trump says "set the stage" he does a hand signal which, to some, look like he's drawing a Q: “Q” HAS MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES: As you read through the Q posts, you’ll start to notice that there are different voices and styles associated with each crumb. This is because it’s not just one person posting as Q, there appears to be a team. There’s “chatty Q”, more verbose and Socratic than the others: (These are random samplings of Q posts to make this point) Nov 11 2017 20:29:35Q!ITPb.qbhqoID: gO/UntOB149063235Hard to swallow. Important to progress. Who are the puppet masters? House of Saud (6+++) - $4 Trillion+ Rothschild (6++) - $2 Trillion+ Soros (6+) - $1 Trillion+ Focus on above (3). Public wealth disclosures – False. Many governments of the world feed the ‘Eye’. Think slush funds (feeder). Think war (feeder). Think environmental pacts (feeder). Triangle has (3) sides. Eye of Providence. Follow the bloodlines. What is the keystone? Does Satan exist? Does the ‘thought’ of Satan exist? Who worships Satan? What is a cult? Epstein island. What is a temple? What occurs in a temple? Worship? Why is the temple on top of a mountain? How many levels might exist below? What is the significance of the colors, design and symbol above the dome? Why is this relevant? Who are the puppet masters? Have the puppet masters traveled to this island? When? How often? Why? “Vladimir Putin: The New World Order Worships Satan” Q There’s less formal, more direct Q: Nov 11 2017 20:33:13Q!ITPb.qbhqoID: gO/UntOB149063582List of Republicans, in the House and Senate, who have announced they will not seek re-election: Bob Corker. Charlie Dent. Jeff Flake. Lynn Jenkins. Sam Johnson. Raul Labrador. Frank LoBiondo. Tim Murphy. Why is this relevant? Re-read crumbs. Q Nov 11 2017 20:53:04Q!ITPb.qbhqoID: gO/UntOB149065482Rogue operators are here. Failed to shut down site. Protected. This will only get worse. Archive and coordinate. Crumbs dropped will soon paint the full picture. The picture will open the eyes of the world. We can't do it without you. God bless you all. Q Then there’s a Q who sure sounds like 45: Jan 13 2018 21:17:29Q!UW.yye1fxo20WE, THE PEOPLE! WE, THE PEOPLE! WE, THE PEOPLE! WE, THE PEOPLE! WHERE WE GO ONE, WE GO ALL. NO ONE PERSON IS ABOVE ANOTHER. WE, THE PEOPLE, ARE MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE. WE, THE PEOPLE, ARE TAKING BACK OUR COUNTRY (& WORLD) FROM THE EVIL LOSERS WHO WOULD DO US HARM (ALL FOR A BUCK). NO MORE. STAND UP PATRIOTS. STAND UP AND DEFEND WHAT YOU KNOW IS RIGHT. GOD BLESS YOU AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 4, 10, 20 Note, 4, 10, 20 = DJT if you go by letters of the alphabet... The point of this is to show you that Q is not one person, it’s a team. And it’s a team of people who seem to be highly connected to POTUS, and sometimes appears to even be POTUS himself. Why is this important? Because POTUS has the power to declassify anything he wishes. If we go by what Q said in his first wave of posts, that this is the largest intelligence drop in world history, the only way operators inside military and civilian intelligence agencies could drop this kind of intel is if POTUS signed off on it. This is a concept we will be returning to (I'm sure) as this thread evolves. "Q" MAPS: You’ll see Q reference MAPS a lot as you read. These are the collection of his crumbs, in order, which when put together and cross referenced with current event sources, show “future proves past”. In other words, the MAPS help prove the authenticity of Q's crumbs. Here’s an example of a MAP: The point being, that each Q post has multiple layers of information it’s revealing. It’s been described to me as multi-dimensional disclosure. This is done this way to beat sniffers, as well as to help brace the impact of some of the darker revelations. This means that there is a lot of analysis that can be done with each and every Q crumb, lots of codes to break and initials to decipher. DIRECT "Q" LINKS: Here are several links to Q's crumbs. They are dated, numbers, and you can click directly to the message boards where they were posted to see more. This first link includes all of Q's posts, starting from the bottom of the document and working from RIGHT to LEFT (important to remember). https://qanonposts.com/#921715 (this site is down today... missing all posts from March and April of this year). Backup:https://qanonmap.bitbucket.io/ This site CAN go down from time to time, a backup is located here (same concept, just different site): https://qanonmap.bitbucket.io/ I won't link directly to 8Chan or the Q Research boards, but those interested in them I will PM you links if you ask. That sums up the long and short of the Q introduction. In my next post I'll analyze one Q crumb to show the level of detail included in each one... (Full disclaimer: This is a long read. If I had more time, I would have written less. Skepticism is welcomed and encouraged, I'm not trying to preach to a choir nor posit speculation as fact -- the very nature of this topic demands speculation to some degree. Rather, I'm trying to start a conversation about a very serious subject that, no doubt, will be viewed by some as anything but. Discernment is the key, and to quote a far wiser man: 'it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.' Let the conversation begin...) Introduction: Since at least July of 2016 (and I would argue since at least 2011) the Deep State has clearly, and loudly, been at war with itself. This war has bled through to the mainstream in various ways and stories from the coverage of Brexit, to Trump's victory and its ensuing fallout, to the proxy wars in Syria and the Ukraine, to the build up of forces in the South China Sea. We've seen bold assassinations, blatant false flags, extensive disinformation campaigns, and at least two attempted coups originating from within the IC of the United States -- all within just the past three months. As crazy as it's already been, recent weeks have seen a major uptick in the madness. There has been a clear and obvious escalation of this secret war, including the possible deployment of highly advanced, and highly secret, weaponry -- which would be a clear sign that the gloves have officially come off. And this appears to just be the opening salvo... Things are about to get a whole lot nastier. While this Deep State war is not being talked about in the mainstream media, nor is it acknowledged publicly by any heads of state, it is nonetheless the driving force of our current geopolitics and world events. Ignoring it, or denying its reality, binds us to a state of inaction and confusion. And inaction on this matter is death. Not just of the individual, but also of our principles. We are currently at a major crossroads as a civilization, not just as a country or system of government, but as a people. The way forward can only be found if we are operating from a place of truth and kindness, not disinformation and fear. Much of that truth has been meticulously hidden from us and can only be found by doing the work yourself. No one is going to do the work for you. Not the mainstream media, not the alternative media, certainly not your elected officials and representatives -- they all have skin in this secret and ongoing war whether they know it or not. It requires a great deal of discernment, time, and patience to sort the fiction from the truth. All of which are dwindling commodities in our modern world filled with electronic distractions. The aim of this thread is to cut through that disinformation and shine a light on the conflict going on behind the curtain. The powers that be have been stealing the planet out from under us for decades, slicing the pie up into smaller and smaller pieces between themselves. But now that there's no more pie left to slice, these factions have begun to turn on one another. War isn't coming. It's already here and will only escalate as we move through 2017. Despite this bleak declaration, there's actually a sliver of hope to be found. This infighting between factions of the Deep State has created an opening for us, the people, to finally retake control of our minds, cities, states, countries, and planet. But that requires us to realize the truth of our reality and the opportunity this conflict has presented us. We must stand together and loudly protest against those who wish to continue the decades of deceit and genocidal madness that's enriched the few at the expense of the many. Make no mistake, this is about "us versus them", but it's not about politics. It's not about republicans and democrats. It's not about race. It's not about creed or religion. It's about the light versus the darkness. This is as much of a spiritual battle as it is a physical one which is why bullets won't win this war, only love and truth shall prevail. Sounds cheesy and hippy-dippy, I know. But it doesn't make it any less accurate. You simply cannot get a positive from a negative. There will be a great temptation to view one side of this shadow war as the "good guys" and one side as the "bad guys". Tribalism runs deep and has been a tool of these factions for centuries to keep us divided and ignorant. The truth is both sides are working against our better interests. There aren't white hats and black hats within the Deep State. There is, however, a growing number of worker bees within the Deep State who have had enough of the status quo and are taking advantage of this infighting to distribute the truth to the masses. A last minute penance of sorts. These are the only heroes in this fight and even they are anti-heroes at best. None of what will follow is a condemnation of every single person in our cornerstone institutions or our national government, nor is it a call to burn the system down. It is merely a condemnation of the few giving the marching orders -- and those people are hardly publicly known and rarely operate out in the open. None of the following is meant to support the "west" or "the rest" or any such reductionist interpretation. My side is with humanity as a whole and the unfiltered truth as best we can discern it. The Players: Before we can really dig in, we must first better define the Deep State and which factions are warring with which. The mistake most people make when researching the Deep State's existence is to assume it's monolithic in structure: one group of individuals behind the scenes working in concert to steer world events in their favor. This has never been true and has in fact been a tool used to keep people from taking this topic seriously. The Deep State is instead comprised of many competing factions whose interests often don't align other than their desire to remain in the shadows. The Deep State is better described as a mafia with different families, each with their own agenda, methods, and means. Put in the most simple form, the war we are witnessing today is an ideological one pitting the Unipolar Globalists against the Mulipolarists. Both of these ideological factions are themselves divided and comprised of a multitude of subsets with their own goals, and both of these factions are represented across multiple agencies, nations, and corporations around the globe. Trying to reduce them down to one nation, one ideology, one agency, or one controlling group would be a disservice to the truth and a waste of time. Since the early 1990s, if not the early 1940s, the Unipolarist Globalist faction (Globalists for sake of brevity) of this Deep State mafia has been firmly in control. That wasn't a huge problem for any of the other competing mafias comprising the Deep State since there were more than enough spoils to go around. With the Globalists in charge and the other factions reduced to the role of remora fish, there were still plenty of profits to be had as the world's wealth and resources were systematically condensed into fewer and fewer hands over the course of the 20th century. Yet, the pie can only be sliced so thin before some groups begin to feel left out. The Globalist agenda stripped the wealth from the lower and middle classes systematically around the world, the most recent thievery taking place with the crash of '07. The events of '07 not only angered the population as austerity measures were forced on much of Europe and America, but they also reduced the amount of the peoples' disposable income. Income that had previously been funneled to other factions of this Deep State mafia in the form of recreational gambling, drugs, and other such vices. Whether or not this dwindling pie was the motivation or whether it simply gave the other factions the opportunity to rebel against the Unipolarist ideology is anyone's guess at this time. However this war started, what is undeniable is that the Globalist faction is under severe attack from at least one other faction of the Deep State, if not multiple factions. December 2016 -- The gloves came off: As they've become increasingly more desperate, the Globalists have ratcheted up their war efforts and have been desperately trying to engineer a massive global kerfuffle to distract the general population and delay the inevitable. What we have witnessed over the past three weeks can be described as the Globalists' hail-mary to stave off annihilation. Three recent news items make this case quite convincingly: 1) The assassination of NATO's auditor general on December 16th, 2016: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/747259/NATO-Auditor-General-is-found-shot-dead-in-suspicious-circumstances 2) The assassination of Andrei Karlov on December 19th, 2016: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745321/Fethullah-Gulen-Andrei-Karlov-russian-ambassador-assassination-turkey-ankara http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745348/russian-ambassador-ankara-turkey-nato-secret-service-putin-Frants-Klintsevich 3) The downing of a Russian airliner on December 25th, 2016: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/black-sea-plane-crash-no-sign-explosion-tu-154-russian-n701116 On the surface these three events don't seem to be connected. But once you dig a bit deeper you will discover that in combination these three events represent a clear escalation of the Deep State's ongoing shadow war. Two of these stories, Karlov's assassination and the downing of Russian Tu-154, were reported widely in the western press. The death of Chandelon was hardly mentioned at all. So, that's where we'll start: Assassination #1... In order to understand the Globalist methods, you first have to come to grips with the fact that this faction has been using the US military and intelligence complexes as its shell since the end of WWII. That's not to say this is where this faction started, merely where it's resided for the past half century. A unipolar global order demands a military force capable of projecting power anywhere on the planet. Since 1991 (really since 1944), the US has been the only country with the means and industry to make that possible. Using the US military and IC as the tip of its spear, this Globalist faction has been funding and deploying terrorist operations against its enemies and allies alike since at least the 1950s, if not before. From Operation GLADIO to supporting the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, the evidence of this tactic is overwhelming and abundant. You can, in fact, trace the roots of modern jihadism back to the days between world wars wherein the Germans (pre-Nazism though the Nazis continued this work) were radicalizing young Muslims to attack British occupying forces in the ME. This tactic has been a valuable and often used tool in the Globalist toolkit and continues to this day. This, for obvious reasons, is also one of the most controversial elements of the Deep State because it undercuts nearly everything we're told is truth in our day to day lives here in the US. ISIS, AQ, the Taliban are our enemies after all, there's no way the United States IC and Military would ever be involved, direct or indirectly, in funding, training, and deploying these radical killers simply to further their own geopolitical agendas... At least until you examine the actual evidence: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-defense-congress-idUSKCN11R2LU http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-security-idUSKCN11D2JQ http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/qatar-continuation-logistics-support-services-and-equipment http://www.reuters.com/article/us-qatar-usa-jets-idUSKCN1175GQ http://fortune.com/2016/03/28/u-s-arms-sales-gulf/ https://warontherocks.com/2016/10/what-a-real-review-of-u-s-military-assistance-to-saudi-arabia-would-say/ http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-isis-funded-same-money-wikileaks-assange-says-saudi-arabia-qatar-giving-money-2441644 http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html That's not to say, in any way shape or form, that the Globalists created these terrorist organizations. Merely that they have used them as disposable proxies to maintain control of their portion of the global pie. Sunni radical jihadists are the favorite tool of the Globalists because they're easy to manage and even easier to disavow. Through cut-outs in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, and Qatar (and others), the Globalist faction of the Deep State has funneled billions of dollars in weapons and technology to these groups for the explicit purpose of spreading terror across not just the ME but Europe and the US as well -- both to keep the multipolarists (in this case the Iranians and Russians specifically) in check as well as to keep the general populations of the west in a state of fear and confusion. And to keep the MiC dollars flowing into their coffers. It's a plan that's worked near flawlessly for the past 15 years... Until the Syrian debacle. What changed in Syria? Quite simply, the status quo of the Deep State changed as this silent war kicked off near the end of 2011. The Globalists were first denied a coup in the Ukraine in 2013. ( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957) They then decided to double down on their efforts in Syria, increasing the funding of the foreign jihadists streaming across the borders into Syria. This was met by stiff resistance from the opposing factions (including multipolarists in Russia and Iran) who leaked evidence that Turkey and NATO members were in fact profiting off the backs of ISIS's rise in Iraq through cheap oil: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-releases-proof-turkey-is-smuggling-isis-oil-over-its-border-a6757651.html http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-isis-oil-trade-from-the-ground-up These Russian accusations came on the heels of Turkey shooting down a Russian jet not two weeks earlier: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581 In the immediate aftermath of these accusations, Turkey began to do a 180 with regards to its relationship with Russia. Why? If anything, it appeared that relations between the two nations were reaching a tipping point where direct conflict was inevitable. This was a dicey situation for multiple reasons, not the least of which was the Article 5 implications. The Globalists pushing for a direct conflict between Russia and the West seemed like they had complete control. So why did Turkey suddenly do an about face? Could it be Erdogan was given a better offer from a different player within the Deep State? It's speculation, but considering the chain of events that followed it suddenly has more teeth. Within 7 months, Erdogan would survive a "coup" attempt after which he used said coup to distance himself from the Globalists in the west. Erdogan claimed the west, and the US specifically, were behind the attempted coup and continue protecting its mastermind in Gulen. The veracity of these charges seem unlikely if you don't factor in the Deep State into your equation, as Erdogan is clearly nothing short of an authoritarian dictator at this point. His word alone should not be trusted. But like I said, this isn't about good guys versus bad guys. It's about competing ideologies between bad guys and worse guys. With Turkey pulling away from the Globalist sect, NATO was forced to evacuate nukes from their base in Incirlik. Erdogan cracked down hard on his own people and constitution, furthering this divide and fueling the narrative that he is nothing more than a power hungry despot. But thanks to the Russian accusations and scrutiny from the world press at large, the illegal oil shipments through Turkey suddenly stopped. This was a significant victory for the multipolarists as it cut off a vital pipeline of untraceable funding for the Globalists various terror networks in both the ME and Europe. The response from the Globalists was swift and severe. While Turkey moved into a closer orbit with Russia, the audacity of terrorist bombings jumped: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2016/06/timeline-attacks-turkey-160628223800183.html Some of this, undoubtedly, is the work of the Kurds and Erdogan's own forces as he attempts to centralize his own authority even more. But several, including the largest casualty counts in 2016, were credited to ISIS forces who were likely sending a message to Turkey on behalf of the Globalists and specifically their terrorists operations ongoing in Syria. Which brings us back to the assassination of Chandelon, NATO's Chief Auditor. His body was found on December 16th with a gunshot wound to the head. He had several weapons registered to his name, but the gun that killed him was not one of them. Plus, the gun that did him in was allegedly discovered in the glove compartment of the car rather than in his hand... which makes the cover story of a common suicide a bit tough to swallow for anyone possessing even the tiniest bit of critical thinking skills. So, why was this guy suicided and how does it connect to the other two stories I've highlighted? We can start to answer that question by looking into what else happened on that very day, December 16th. That was the day 44 made his very public threat to retaliate against Russia for the still unproven and highly divisive claims that the Russians "hacked" our election process. In 44's own words the US promised to take action "at a time and place of our own choosing." http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/15/obama-threatens-retaliation-against-russia-election-hacking/95501584/ Assassination #2... Three days later, the assassination of Ambassador Karlov occurs. Cut-outs in both the Russian government and Turkish governments (in the form of Ankara's mayor and a Russian Senator) immediately pointed the finger at NATO security services as being behind this brazen assassination in an attempt to undercut the growing relationship of Turkey and Russia. Other agencies in the region pointed the finger at ISIS (which, of course, is by extension pointing the finger at the west). Whether the Globalist faction of the Deep State was truly behind this murder will never be covered in the press. Though it's impossible to remove them as a prime suspect due to the timing (three days after 44 publicly threatened retaliation) and their known connection to ISIS itself. Turkey has recently stepped things up further, pinning it once again on Gulen -- pointing out he is still being protected by the US directly. Putin went as far as to release a public statement claiming the attack was designed to undercut the peace process in Syria while various corporate outlets ran wild with the story, speculating it was a false flag designed to bring on WW3. One op-ed even went to extremes to paint the murder as a boon to the west: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745348/russian-ambassador-ankara-turkey-nato-secret-service-putin-Frants-Klintsevich http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/don-cry-russia-slain-envoy-putin-lackey-article-1.2917281 http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/europe/turkey-russian-ambassador-shot/ http://indianexpress.com/article/research/why-assassination-of-russian-ambassador-andrey-karlov-reminds-many-of-how-world-war-i-started-archduke-franz-ferdinand-4436837/ http://www.activistpost.com/2016/12/russian-ambassador-killed-three-days-after-obama-threat-who-is-responsible.html That the Globalists have been itching to engineer a shooting war between Russia and the US is not even a secret at this point. HRC's campaign was built around stopping the bloodshed in Syria by instituting No Fly Zones -- which could only be accomplished by taking out Russian anti-air sites on the ground in Syria (meaning US pilots dropping bombs on Russian troops). That detail wasn't examined by anyone in the mainstream media during the election of course, so firmly do the Globalists control those institutions. So the motivation for a false flag assassination designed to elicit a response from Russia or Turkey, which would then give the pretext for the war these Globalists have clearly been begging for, does hold water. But that alone isn't enough to convince anyone. Until you plug Chandelon's murder and the downing of TU-154 into your analysis. Both are connected... The timing of Chandelon's murder and Karlov's assassination are too close to be anything other than connected. The rule of thumb in intelligence circles is that nothing is a coincidence. Chandelon, who was responsible for internal auditing as well as in charge of external investigations into money laundering activities and terrorist financing, was one of the few who would be in position to "leak" information on exactly this sort of wet-work operation should it have gone sideways in Ankara. That he was taken off the board the same day 44 issued public threats and a mere three days before a major terrorist event, should be a red flashing warning light to those people paying attention. Of course the assassination of Karlov itself has all the hallmarks of a Deep State operation, reminiscent of '63 in Dallas as many have pointed out. The lone shooter makes a public (and scripted) admission of motive before being gunned down as he fled. It's of course rather convenient that the shooter was taken out before he could say anything more or be subjected to any sort of interrogation or trial. Whether the assassin was a simple patsy or in some way mind controlled (yup, you have to leave that possibility open when dealing with the Deep State), we'll now never know. Despite the efforts to provoke a response from Russia and/or Turkey, the Globalists found themselves floundering. Neither Turkey nor Russia were taking the bait, despite cut-outs from both nations pointing the finger clearly at the west. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745348/russian-ambassador-ankara-turkey-nato-secret-service-putin-Frants-Klintsevich The Globalists needed to make an even bigger play at poking the bear... The crash of TU-154... What's most telling about the crash itself was the Russian response. Almost immediately after the crash, despite the state of the wreckage and numerous body parts of the jet's passengers (note some of the language used in the initial crash site reports), an explosion or anything terrorist related was instantly denied by the FSB and Putin himself -- hardly before the investigation had even begun let alone concluded. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_MILITARY_PLANE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-12-25-06-26-38 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/flight-recorder-plane-crash-tu-154-black-sea-161227062229857.html http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/25/europe/russian-plane-tu-154/ As stated previously, the Globalists are not just based in the west. They exist in the Kremlin as well. It seems clear to me, based on the immediacy of the FSB's pronouncement, that Russia was going out of its way to eliminate the west or any of its terror groups as suspects. At least publicly. This would be necessary if Putin were facing pressure from the Globalists in his own country. Any admission, or even hint of terrorist involvement or western influence, would make it near impossible for Putin to ignore. The hardliners within his own government would demand a response. But when a response is precisely what the Globalists are looking for, it was simply not an option. So the Russians spun it as quickly as they could through their chosen state sponsored media outlets like RT and Pravda. This would at the very least buy the opposing factions within the Deep State time to gather evidence. Above Top Secret Weaponry... But then there's this little gem which came out three days after Christmas and is, inarguably, the most speculative bit of information I'm presenting at this time: https://israelinewslive.org/radio-electronic-attack-russia-tu-154-december-25-2016/ The article claims that an advanced "Radio Electronic Weapon" was used to take down TU-154. Before you scoff at this notion let's remember what happened to the USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea in 2014: https://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html The Cook, a 4th generation missile cruiser equipped with the previously impregnable and superior AEIGIS combat system was allegedly taken off line by a single Russian jet deploying a new electronic weapon. This event shook the USN to its foundations because the entirety of its fleet and NATO's missile defense platforms in Europe rely upon AEIGIS to maintain its superiority over Russian technology. If one plane could cripple one of our more advanced surface ships, what would that mean for NATO's ever increasing deployment of its missile shield in Eastern Europe? Back to TU-154, this sort of weapon would certainly be able to cripple a passenger jet and cause it to crash. It would be many orders of magnitude more simple in fact when compared to taking the Cook offline. The main point is, this type of technology exists and is highly classified. When the highly classified goodies begin to be deployed by the Deep State against its own, that's when you know the gloves have come off and things are about to get really nasty. Whether this top secret weapon was deployed by Globalist forces within the US/NATO or Globalist forces within Russia itself is impossible to determine at this time. And admittedly, the entire notion that such a weapon was deployed at all is entirely speculative. But when you combine these three seemingly unconnected stories together a striking picture begins to emerge: Forces within the Deep State are working overtime to engineer a war between Russia and the West, so far they have been unsuccessful largely thanks to counter attacks launched by opposing Deep State factions. Wrapping it all up: The Russian response to both the assassination of Karlov and the downing of TU-154 have been telling. There has not been an overreaction at all, instead there has been a pause. My assumption is that this pause is designed to give the multipolarists time to gather evidence and rethink their strategy. If there were a chance that the courts in the west would prosecute these Globalist ringleaders, I think we would see a response in the form of a disclosure like we saw of Turkey's oil smuggling operation. There might be a release or disclosure of the evidence that ties these men and women to both ISIS, the assassinations of Karlov and Chandelon, as well as the downing of TU-154 in this scenario. But since there isn't a court in existence that has ever shown an interest in prosecuting these Deep State members, another response is more likely. Namely, an escalation of the shadow war that's already raging. It may come in the form of assassinations of some of these ringleaders (we'll see these as "accidents" in the press, or medical emergencies), but it's most certainly not going to be in the form of troops marching across borders. If that happens, then you'll know which side has won. To that end it's time to stop thinking in terms of state actors and time to start thinking on a deeper level about these events. Let's see them for what they are, a war of ideologies between factions of this Deep State. ... Which is why this little bill which slipped through the cracks over the Holidays should be worrisome to all of us: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-24/obama-signs-countering-disinformation-and-propaganda-act-law Edited September 7, 2020 by shoshin
Westside Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: your list is just the leftists it seems. There are some trolls here that do nothing but spam who aren’t left Can you name them, I'd like to put them on ignore as well.
Niagara Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, shoshin said: If you want to play coy about PPP's past, feel free, but no one needs to revisit the really dark stuff in detail publicly. How dark can it be? Illicit drugs, sex? Murder? Graft? Clinton, Obama, Biden type dark stuff? 1
BillStime Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Can you provide a list so that other people can agree or disagree with you?
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, shoshin said: If you want to play coy about PPP's past, feel free, but no one needs to revisit the really dark stuff in detail publicly. Shirley you jest. Here's a crazy idea... stay out of the Q thread if it is not your cup of tea. 3 1
3rdnlng Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Here's a crazy idea... stay out of the Q thread if it is not your cup of tea. You just don't want to talk about the dark side of PPP. Just let it go BG, it'll be a big load off your shoulders.
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 7, 2020 Posted September 7, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: You just don't want to talk about the dark side of PPP. Just let it go BG, it'll be a big load off your shoulders. I am not interested in Q myself. That does not mean other people do not find it worthy of discussion. I simply stay out of the thread. Why rain on someone else's parade because it is not my cup of tea? 2
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