Buffalo Junction Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 21 hours ago, GunnerBill said: While there is definitely some truth in this..... I do think that offense was driven by the scheme and the backs. Tyrod wasn't the driver of that offense. He played his part, and I am taking nothing away from him but he was a piece rather than the piece. Which was smart on the Bills part because if you want a top 10 offense you don't want Tyrod to drive it. The reality of 2015 and 2016 is Greg Roman is a really darn good coordinator. I said that when he was here. He is one of the most innovative offensive coordinators in the NFL. But people don't give him the respect he deserves because when you say "innovative offense" what people expect is lots of passing. The assumption almost seems to be you can't be innovative if you run a lot. But Greg Roman's rush offense is innovative. It is so multiple it keeps defences guessing. ^^^ This. Roman is the most innovative run system/play designer the NFL has seen in 30 years. Where he falls short is the passing game and finding ways to make it sync with his run plays. Props to the Ravens for recognizing that weakness and having him work with a passing game coordinator. Seems to have worked with Jackson and the TE talent there. However, I can’t help but wonder if the WR would perform better with someone other than Culley in that role. 2
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: That was my point. 3 games not 16.... fans would be going nuts if this Bills offense average 24 PPG. I'm still waiting for this regime to field an offense like that 2016 offense because that's what it will take to win a SB. Hopefully this is the year. As part of the math to get to my previous post, I learned that in 2016 we were averaging 25.93 PPG until the week 17 EJ/Cardale not privy debacle. And that's with a 7 point week 1 letdown in Baltimore. Another underused stat: Our offense, mostly with Tyrod at the helm, had a franchise record 13 consecutive home games with 20+ points
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, ScottLaw said: Yea. Not a surprise. Really hope we see an offense that can produce like that one this season. I'm hopeful enough that I drafted Allen, Diggs, and Moss 😁
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm hopeful enough that I drafted Allen, Diggs, and Moss 😁 Allen is a good fantasy qb because of the rushing. I drafted Diggs in one league and debated keeping him in a keeper league but I just don’t know if he gets the volume. And Moss is the reason I didn’t keep DS in the same keeper league. I was so excited about picking him last year too but Moss is going to kill his value.
Julio Hopkins Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yes. I saw the D give up 10 points. I have a hard time blaming them for the loss. That gosh darn box score can be so deceiving.
GunnerBill Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, Julio Hopkins said: That gosh darn box score can be so deceiving. You are honestly arguing that the defense lost the Bills that game? Really?
Julio Hopkins Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Gugny said: Yeah, going 17-37 for 134 yards and an INT, leading the offense to a whopping 3 points .... he sure played his heart out. Until he "got hurt and had to leave the game." Both Tyrod and McCoy were taking nasty hits all game but sure. Just now, GunnerBill said: You are honestly arguing that the defense lost the Bills that game? Really? No, I think Brandon Beane lost that game before it even started. The O was completely outmatched, and the defense choked it away against one of the worst offenses in the league.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 4 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: if it were not for this, they wouldn't make the post season in 2017. I agree that he may of "managed the offense" to help lead the team to 9 wins but some of the losses that season were brutal. the chargers debacle with peterman and the one that stands out to me was the saints game, a 47-10 embarrassment at home. the offense only mustering 198 yds and the game manager finishing 9/18 56 yds with a 33.6 QBR made for a season to remember for the drought (thank you andy dalton) being broken and some games that will go down in bills lore as some of the worst. no, maybe it is time to put taylor history to rest but most bills fans realize had cincy not won on the last drive, they don't make the post season. period. I actually cried a little at that moment, knowing the drought would end.
Gugny Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said: Both Tyrod and McCoy were taking nasty hits all game but sure. No, I think Brandon Beane lost that game before it even started. The O was completely outmatched, and the defense choked it away against one of the worst offenses in the league. We lost 10-3 and you blame the defense? 1
Nextmanup Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Gugny said: We lost 10-3 and you blame the defense? Do you recall the quarterback performance of the opposition? This was easily the worst quarterbacked playoff game--on both teams--that I ever recall watching. Talk about an ugly dog of a game. I understand your point though...D gives up 10; offense can't do anything all game...you gotta put most of the blame on the offense. The fact of the matter is that Tyrod Taylor would be nowhere near a roster spot in this league, and it would have been that for years now, if there actually were enough decent quarterbacks to go around. There aren't. It's a huge problem for the league.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Julio Hopkins said: Both Tyrod and McCoy were taking nasty hits all game but sure. No, I think Brandon Beane lost that game before it even started. The O was completely outmatched, and the defense choked it away against one of the worst offenses in the league. I mean I like Tyrod a lot, but the Jags hung 45 on Pittsburgh a week later. The D kept us in it, the lack of playmakers kept us out of it. 1
Buffalo Junction Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 53 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Roman> Daboll. Not even close. I don’t think they’re exactly comparable. Daboll’s passing schemes are likely better and they prefer very different personnel groupings. Roman’s run schemes are the most innovative ground attack since Shanahan shot Terrell Davis to stardom with zone blocking. As a result, Roman’s schemes aren’t reliant upon traditional QB play, but those schemes and his playcalling tend to get figured out by the better defenses after a few seasons. It remains to be seen if Baltimore can overcome what occurred here and in SF. 1
Figster Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, Buffalo Junction said: I don’t think they’re exactly comparable. Daboll’s passing schemes are likely better and they prefer very different personnel groupings. Roman’s run schemes are the most innovative ground attack since Shanahan shot Terrell Davis to stardom with zone blocking. As a result, Roman’s schemes aren’t reliant upon traditional QB play, but those schemes and his playcalling tend to get figured out by the better defenses after a few seasons. It remains to be seen if Baltimore can overcome what occurred here and in SF. Well said, Greg Roman has found the perfect fit with Lamar Jackson IMO. Elte RB that can throw the football. The Roman > Daboll analogy is probably true in Baltimore. 1
SirAndrew Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: I don’t think they’re exactly comparable. Daboll’s passing schemes are likely better and they prefer very different personnel groupings. Roman’s run schemes are the most innovative ground attack since Shanahan shot Terrell Davis to stardom with zone blocking. As a result, Roman’s schemes aren’t reliant upon traditional QB play, but those schemes and his playcalling tend to get figured out by the better defenses after a few seasons. It remains to be seen if Baltimore can overcome what occurred here and in SF. I agree, it has yet to be seen if Baltimore can overcome what happened to Roman here and in SF. However, I don’t think it’s unfair to say Roman is more accomplished than Daboll at this point in his career. Roman has struggled to produce a passing game, but his teams have had success on offense, regardless of how it got done. Daboll hasn’t had any success outside of NE with an NFL offense. Daboll might have great passing games schemes, but we have yet to see it actually work in the NFL. Daboll needs to prove it this season. 25 minutes ago, Figster said: Well said, Greg Roman has found the perfect fit with Lamar Jackson IMO. Elte RB that can throw the football. The Roman > Daboll analogy is probably true in Baltimore. Roman>Daboll with any team. Daboll hasn’t proven anything in this league imo. Comparing Roman and Daboll’s offense is comparing apples to oranges, as they both have different styles. With that said, Daboll hasn’t done much as an OC. I hope our offense has tons of success, and we can consider him an accomplished OC by the end of this season. I’m simply addressing what Daboll has done up to this point in his career, I’m not trying to harshly criticize him. Edited September 4, 2020 by SirAndrew 1
SirAndrew Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Yes, but Tyrod doesn't deserve any credit for this.... How great would it be if Daboll, Allen and the Bills offense could field ONE top 10 scoring offense? I wanted Tyrod out of here, because I knew we weren’t winning a Super Bowl with him. Moving on was still a risk because you might be downgrading the QB position inadvertently. He just didn’t have what it takes to lead a team anywhere. The TT fans never understood that. However, I also recognize in hindsight that he was one of our best post Kelly QB’s. That isn’t saying much because we’ve had garbage, but he deserves some credit. The same people who trash Tyrod look back at the Bledsoe, Fitz, and even the Orton years fondly. I’ll never understand that. Tyrod had more success with this team than many of those guys who are often fondly remembered. I was a harsh critic of TT, but even I must admit what he accomplished here. It was nothing spectacular, but he doesn’t deserve to be trashed, while we reminisce about how amazing Fitz was. Edited September 4, 2020 by SirAndrew
Teddy KGB Posted September 4, 2020 Author Posted September 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: A-friggin-men! as a general rule if I see anything from the guy that started this thread I just chuckle, feel embarrassed for him, and then look the other way. I honestly can’t believe the board humored him with 7 pages and counting. ..... And now look at me, becoming part of the problem 🤦🏻♂️ 1
Buffalo Junction Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I agree, it has yet to be seen if Baltimore can overcome what happened to Roman here and in SF. However, I don’t think it’s unfair to say Roman is more accomplished than Daboll at this point in his career. Roman has struggled to produce a passing game, but his teams have had success on offense, regardless of how it got done. Daboll hasn’t had any success outside of NE with an NFL offense. Daboll might have great passing games schemes, but we have yet to see it actually work in the NFL. Daboll needs to prove it this season. Roman>Daboll with any team. Daboll hasn’t proven anything in this league imo. Comparing Roman and Daboll’s offense is comparing apples to oranges, as they both have different styles. With that said, Daboll hasn’t done much as an OC. I hope our offense has tons of success, and we can consider him an accomplished OC by the end of this season. I’m simply addressing what Daboll has done up to this point in his career, I’m not trying to harshly criticize him. It’s a chicken vs egg argument, but.... One could say with a reasonable level of confidence that Daboll never had a competent QB to work with either. When Cassel, Matt Moore and Derek Anderson are the best QBs you’ve had to work with the results aren’t going to be stellar, especially when your system relies on above average QB play. Contrast that with Roman’s approach which would probably be functional with Lynn Bowden Jr playing QB. With that in mind, Daboll needs to put up. Allen is in year three and the offense has more than enough talent to rack up points. No excuses going forward. Same goes with Roman and bucking the trend... Year 3-4 is where his offenses start getting predictable. 9 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I wanted Tyrod out of here, because I knew we weren’t winning a Super Bowl with him. Moving on was still a risk because you might be downgrading the QB position inadvertently. He just didn’t have what it takes to lead a team anywhere. The TT fans never understood that. However, I also recognize in hindsight that he was one of our best post Kelly QB’s. That isn’t saying much because we’ve had garbage, but he deserves some credit. The same people who trash Tyrod look back at the Bledsoe, Fitz, and even the Orton years fondly. I’ll never understand that. Tyrod had more success with this team than many of those guys who are often fondly remembered. I was a harsh critic of TT, but even I must admit what he accomplished here. It was nothing spectacular, but he doesn’t deserve to be trashed, while we reminisce about how amazing Fitz was. Always worth the risk of ineptitude at QB for a year. It’s damn near impossible to upgrade with middling QB play as you end up 7-9 to 9-7 every year. 1
Julio Hopkins Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 5 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I mean I like Tyrod a lot, but the Jags hung 45 on Pittsburgh a week later. The D kept us in it, the lack of playmakers kept us out of it. That's a much better take than mine, saying they played like ***** was too much. I'm probably just remembering the frustration from watching Bortles run on them.
Teddy KGB Posted September 5, 2020 Author Posted September 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said: That's a much better take than mine, saying they played like ***** was too much. I'm probably just remembering the frustration from watching Bortles run on them. tyrod sucked and couldn’t score 10 points. the end.
Freddie's Dead Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 The guy that did the "Hey There Trent Edwards" video should do the "Hey There T. Taylor...." "Right now ten yards seem pretty far, but you don't have to use a car They have this thing they call a forward pass, You grip the ball right on the lace and wing the thing about the place I promise incompletions are OK"....
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