Just So We Know Who We're Dealing With - Your Adult Voting History, Please

[keepthefaith]

For Pres, only republicans since the 80's until 2016.  Left pres blank then.  Didn't support Trump in the primary either.  Liked Carly Fiorina but she was gone by the time the Illinois primary happened.  In 2016 voted in all the down ballot elections.

 

In earlier elections wasn't crazy about Dole, McCain and was pretty disappointed in Bush Jr's 2nd term but never would have voted for the dem candidate in those elections.    Have voted for some dem and other party candidates over the years in state/local elections.  You find that at the local level the pols are sometimes less partisan. 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You might be interested in this thread for those answers.

Thanks. I'll poke around there a bit.

1 hour ago, Azalin said:

1992 - Perot

1996 - Dole (not much of a choice - voted against Clinton after he admitted to smoking weed but claimed he didn't inhale it.)

2000 - Bush

2004 - Bush

2008 - McCain (not much of a choice - voted against Obama)

1012 - Romney (again, same as above)

2016 - Trump (completely fed up with 'traditional candidates' and rabidly anti-Hillary)

2020 - unless something truly outrageous happens, will vote for Trump again. 

Hmm, Trump, outrageous? Nah. Not gonna happen.

[Azalin]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

 

Hmm, Trump, outrageous? Nah. Not gonna happen.

 

 

Well, you asked. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

2008 - Didn't vote. Was busy establishing and running a fraternity and taking engineering courses. Didn't really have any interest in politics and didn't feel educated enough on the candidates to make a responsible decision. 

2012 - Gary Johnson 

2016 - Gary Johnson

2020 - Currently undecided, but definitely not Biden. Trump has been slowly winning me over, but I'm not quite there yet. 

Edited September 3, 2020 by BuffaloHokie13

[Tiberius]

13 hours ago, westside2 said:

1992- Clinton

1996- Clinton

2000- Gore

2004-Kerry

2008-Obama

2012-Obama

2016-Trump

Commie! 

[LB3]

2004 - Bush

2008 - Abstained. Didn't like either.

2012 - Romney. Thought Obama was bad.

2016 - Abstained. Didn't like either. Voted Cruz in the Primary

2020 - Trump

[Greybeard]

15 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

OK, so I'm curious about this. There's a lot of very strident people, left and (mostly) right on the PPP forum. I'm new to this, my involvement previously being limited to, well, football.

Are these life-long beliefs? Do people change?

What's your voting history in Presidential elections?

I'll start it off, with a very limited explanation:

1980: John Anderson (the Carter-Reagan year). I didn't like Jimmy, I lived in NY which was guaranteed to go Democratic, so it was kind of a protest vote/encourage the parties to find a more sensible set of policies. Anderson was a conservative Democrat of the type that no longer exists.

1984: Mondale. I was young, and I guess liberal, though less so than most of my college friends. In retrospect, a poor decision. Maybe the only one I really regret, although it wouldn't have made any difference in that landslide election. 

1988: Dukakis. Not quite as young, not quite as liberal. More of a "time for a change" vote for me. 

1992: Ross Perot (the Bush 41-Clinton year). Same as 1980. I was in California, so my vote didn't really matter. Ross was crazy, but I didn't like the sleaze of Clinton and 12 years in power for either party is enough.

1996: Clinton. I was doing o.k., didn't want to rock the boat. Plus: Bob Dole. Really?

2000: Bush 43. I see that this was my first Republican vote. Again, the Clinton-Gore sleaze. Enough.

2004: Kerry. Two words: Iraq War.

2008: Obama. I liked McCain, but I thought his time had passed. Time for a new generation. Little did I know the old generation wasn't done yet (Trump/Biden)

2012: Romney. I thought Obama overreached in extending Presidential power. I hate, hate, hated "I have a pen and I have a phone." By this time Romney best fit my policy preferences too.

2016: Gary Johnson. Here I go again. By now the "I won't be trapped by the two party system" had taken on more of a libertarian air (small "l'). Plus I was in a solidly blue state so again, a free vote my conscience election.

    Would you please stop being a Bills fan!!!

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

    Would you please stop being a Bills fan!!!

Oh my, somehow I seem to have offended you. My apologies for posting stuff about Politics, Polls, and Pundits in a forum named ...

[Greybeard]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Oh my, somehow I seem to have offended you. My apologies for posting stuff about Politics, Polls, and Pundits in a forum named ...

            You did not offend me but your record on picking winners in pretty thin but you do have 3 more winners than the Bills in the big show.   I should have provided a statement so you knew what I was referring to.  

[The Frankish Reich]

35 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

            You did not offend me but your record on picking winners in pretty thin but you do have 3 more winners than the Bills in the big show.   I should have provided a statement so you knew what I was referring to.  

OK. Got it. If I was all about picking winners I would be on a Pats board right now!

[Westside]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Commie! 

Ex commie. I left the dark side and came into the light. You should join me. The air is much cleaner over here. 👍 

[Bill from NYC]

2004 - Bush - Best of a very bad lot imo, or so it seemed. Ultimately, he was a horror show.

 

2008 - Some schmuck libertarian. I don't even remember his name. Couldn't stand McCain.

 

2012 - Romney - Utter garbage but I felt that he was the better choice. Little did I know what a complete pos he was/is.

 

2016 - Trump, big time

 

2020 - Hands down Trump, the greatest president in the history of our nation.

 

Flame away, it doesn't bother me. I will probably enjoy it.

14 hours ago, westside2 said:

1992- Clinton

1996- Clinton

2000- Gore

2004-Kerry

2008-Obama

2012-Obama

2016-Trump

VERY interesting post.

[unbillievable]

Perot - wanted my first time to be historic

Clinton - in debt, and promised free stuff

Gore - still in debt, hoping for more free stuff

Bush -  Life was stable, so I wanted to support the troops

McCain - had a career, didn't want socialism to take it away.

Johnson - lost faith in politics

Johnson - most similar to a giant meteor.

2020 not Biden/Harris; probably Trump because the democrats are crazy.

 

Edited September 3, 2020 by unbillievable

[Franco_92]

2016: Clinton

2020: President Donald Trump 

 

I'm baby. I also never post here but whatev

[thenorthremembers]

2004: Kerry

2008 Obama

2012:Jill Stein

2016: Trump

2020: Trump

 

Did a lot of growing up between 2008 and 2016.  Started to realize common sense beats emotion.

[IDBillzFan]

This is thread is much more interesting that I thought it would be.

 

A lot of people who leaned left, embraced independent thought, and ended up moving to the right. Leftists think we're just joking about this, but it is simply the truth. It's impossible to look at today's Democratic Party, have independent thought, and still think the Democratic Party should be running this country.

 

[Tiberius]

42 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Ex commie. I left the dark side and came into the light. You should join me. The air is much cleaner over here. 👍 

No, you need to come back to the good guys! It is your destiny, lol 

[Deranged Rhino]

13 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Very interesting. I'm glad I asked the question.

Those who've flipped affiliations pretty quickly (example: Obama 2008 or 2012, Trump 2016): would you mind explaining?

 

I did not go from Obama to Trump in 2016, but I had a big swing so I might as well answer. I considered myself politically agnostic, but I certainly was considered a liberal on this board throughout 2006-2016. 9/11 happened when I was in college, the War on Terror was ramping up through my political awakening and I found myself loudly arguing in favor of the Iraq war on this very site in 2002-2003 as I bought into the notion that it was better to fight them over there than on our own shores. Somewhere around 2005-2006 this spell wore off and I began to see the bigger agenda of "Regime Change" (feeding the bottom lines of the pols and MiC, not helping others living under totalitarian dictatorships or worse).  

 

2008 I voted for Obama and fully bought into his promises for change -- particularly on the issue of Regime Change and mass surveillance. In 2012 I voted for him again because I still had faith he was working to fulfill those promises he ran on. Then 2013-2014 hit with the mass revelations about not only the illegal drone assassination program, but the Snowden revelations about mass NSA surveillance of Americans. I learned that 44 had not only never intended to end the Regime Change policies of the DC wonks (he was in bed with them all financially), but he doubled the size of the surveillance program while tossing aside civil liberties. Obama literally went back on every single promise he made that mattered to me -- and did so in such a duplicitous and insidious way while the media fawned -- that it snapped me awake. Add into that mix the HRC SecState tenure which was a disaster (Libya, stolen emails, China's hack, the complete wiping out of our HUMINT assets in China) and my distaste for establishment politicians was pretty entrenched. 

 

2016 rolled around and I had no intention of voting for Clinton but assumed she'd win in a walk. The fix was in, I thought. And boy was it ever. I didn't pay attention to Trump's campaign, had no intention of voting for a "republican" and instead wrote in Tulsi Gabbard. Election night happens, big shock, and then I started poking around the rumors about Russia being involved in stealing the election. My job allowed me some access that civilians otherwise might not get, and I used that access to start asking some questions about the Russia story from people who would know better than I would about it. That started me on a research path where I discovered as early as the spring of 2017 that the entire Russian narrative being floated by the media and congressional leaders was a fraud.

 

Just like the War on Terror -- only this information campaign was turned up from 10 to 11 in 2016.  

 

The more I dug, the more the dirt kept coming back hard on Obama's administration... and Bush's. It showed me, clearly with evidence that was incontrovertible, that there really wasn't a divide between democrats and republicans in DC -- they were the same bird, just different wings. I watched from the front row as this establishment presence, not just politicians but nearly every single media outlet (and entertainment outlet) pushed what I knew and could prove to be fiction 24/7. They were gaslighting the country before my eyes, and every single "leader" in the political class was in full throated support of the lie. They lied not because they feared that Russia had truly stolen the election, no I knew THEY knew what they were pushing was false. What they actually feared was that the people of the United States had picked a candidate they disagreed with -- and that could not stand. 

 

When I saw the lengths the establishment went through, working across the aisle and with their corporate partners, to sell a monster of a lie to the world I knew where the battle lines were really drawn. It's us vs them -- but "them" isn't one political party or the other.  

[RocCityRoller]

1996 - Bill Clinton - was a big Clinton backer, saw the economy doing well and a balanced budget, did not like NAFTA and scandals though

2000 - Al Gore - more of the same above, I was a young environmentalist too

2004 - John Kerry - Not a fan of warhawk W. Honestly W was terrible

2008 - Obama - thought he would help heal some of the past and mark a step forward for the country

2012 - DNV - was disgusted by the identity politics that became mainstream during Obama's admin. Romney was a loser, but I started to see some inconvenient truths about the left. I despise Identity politics.

2014 - Jill Stein - I couldn't vote for Hillary or Trump. I love that 'never Trumpers' still call me mysoginist and a climate denier, because I walked away from the Democrat party and refuse to parrot everything they say and believe.

2020 - Trump, strait Republican ticket for me this time. First time ever strait ticket during a Presidential election.

 

[RocCityRoller]

On 9/3/2020 at 12:29 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I did not go from Obama to Trump in 2016, but I had a big swing so I might as well answer. I considered myself politically agnostic, but I certainly was considered a liberal on this board throughout 2006-2016. 9/11 happened when I was in college, the War on Terror was ramping up through my political awakening and I found myself loudly arguing in favor of the Iraq war on this very site in 2002-2003 as I bought into the notion that it was better to fight them over there than on our own shores. Somewhere around 2005-2006 this spell wore off and I began to see the bigger agenda of "Regime Change" (feeding the bottom lines of the pols and MiC, not helping others living under totalitarian dictatorships or worse).  

 

2008 I voted for Obama and fully bought into his promises for change -- particularly on the issue of Regime Change and mass surveillance. In 2012 I voted for him again because I still had faith he was working to fulfill those promises he ran on. Then 2013-2014 hit with the mass revelations about not only the illegal drone assassination program, but the Snowden revelations about mass NSA surveillance of Americans. I learned that 44 had not only never intended to end the Regime Change policies of the DC wonks (he was in bed with them all financially), but he doubled the size of the surveillance program while tossing aside civil liberties. Obama literally went back on every single promise he made that mattered to me -- and did so in such a duplicitous and insidious way while the media fawned -- that it snapped me awake. Add into that mix the HRC SecState tenure which was a disaster (Libya, stolen emails, China's hack, the complete wiping out of our HUMINT assets in China) and my distaste for establishment politicians was pretty entrenched. 

 

2016 rolled around and I had no intention of voting for Clinton but assumed she'd win in a walk. The fix was in, I thought. And boy was it ever. I didn't pay attention to Trump's campaign, had no intention of voting for a "republican" and instead wrote in Tulsi Gabbard. Election night happens, big shock, and then I started poking around the rumors about Russia being involved in stealing the election. My job allowed me some access that civilians otherwise might not get, and I used that access to start asking some questions about the Russia story from people who would know better than I would about it. That started me on a research path where I discovered as early as the spring of 2017 that the entire Russian narrative being floated by the media and congressional leaders was a fraud.

 

Just like the War on Terror -- only this information campaign was turned up from 10 to 11 in 2016.  

 

The more I dug, the more the dirt kept coming back hard on Obama's administration... and Bush's. It showed me, clearly with evidence that was incontrovertible, that there really wasn't a divide between democrats and republicans in DC -- they were the same bird, just different wings. I watched from the front row as this establishment presence, not just politicians but nearly every single media outlet (and entertainment outlet) pushed what I knew and could prove to be fiction 24/7. They were gaslighting the country before my eyes, and every single "leader" in the political class was in full throated support of the lie. They lied not because they feared that Russia had truly stolen the election, no I knew THEY knew what they were pushing was false. What they actually feared was that the people of the United States had picked a candidate they disagreed with -- and that could not stand. 

 

When I saw the lengths the establishment went through, working across the aisle and with their corporate partners, to sell a monster of a lie to the world I knew where the battle lines were really drawn. It's us vs them -- but "them" isn't one political party or the other.  

 

I'm shocked, but not shocked. We both were 'red pilled' and walked away about the same time. I started asking questions before Obama about the Democrat/ Left. I found out heroes like 'FDR' were badly flawed and did some pretty bad things, and that guys like Teddy Roosevelt were actually pretty good guys for the USA.

 

I guess the reformed Leftist/Democrat is the most outspoken. I'm still not 100% Republican, but am 100% Libertarian. I want minimal federal government law, a balanced budget and social freedom. I despise the thought of people being dependent on the federal government for health care, income, retirement or anything really. Once I read 'The Road to Serfdom' by Hayek my life changed. Once I paid off my 100k in student loans it was cemented. I was a slave to bad government loans and swore to be a freeman from the government since.

 

I think it is revealing that a lot of people started asking questions and abandoning the Democrat party @2012. The Dems abandoned their blue collar base (color blind) with NAFTA. It just took a while, and the rise of identity politics to drive it home to a lot of people.