Joe Biden’s 9/2 Speech

[The Frankish Reich]

15 minutes ago, Foxx said:

you Lefties are funny. this is who you support, tff. he can't hold a train of thought for :14 and you guys want this running our country? seriously, you guys should have your heads examined.

 

you understand he is a marionette, right??

And I hear he's lost the Yoseminite vote.

Face facts, our next President will be in mental decline. No matter which one wins.

Here's a nice summary of what is called normal cognitive decline:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4015335/

It appears to be the case with both Trump and Biden. Both are easy cases because they've been in the public eye for over 40 years. I see no reason to dub either one as suffering from dementia (which would be abnormal cognitive decline), but "decline" is pretty obvious.

Other examples of the rare persons in the political world who do not show (to me) any obvious decline despite their advanced ages: Pelosi and McConnell. (See how I did that? One from each side) Both seem to me to be exactly the same cognitively as they were when they first hit the public eye. 

Edited September 2, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[Golden Goat]

2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Re: the second sentence.  Hoax.  I’m just having fun with all of you alt-wrong kool-aid guzzlers!

 

Welp, if anyone knows about guzzling...

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And I hear he's lost the Yoseminite vote.

Face facts, our next President will be in mental decline. No matter which one wins.

 

One of them is already in the throes of it.  The other still has yet to get there.

[The Frankish Reich]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

One of them is already in the throes of it.  The other still has yet to get there.

I assume you mean Trump "has yet to get there." I urge you to compare some of the interviews he did in the 1980s with those he's doing today. Or just watch this (starting at 2:32) to see the "oranges" of my theory:

 

https://www.thewrap.com/bill-maher-campaign-ad-for-democrats-mocks-neurological-mess-trump-video/

 

The problem is that it is not a linear decline curve. Reagan struck me as fine in his 1980 run. By 1984 it was hit or miss, the kind of "good day/bad day" thing we say about grandpa. By the time he was leaving office it was obvious he had no business being in office the last couple years.

EDIT: Bill Clinton too. I saw a couple interviews with him around the DNC time. He's 74, he's had heart problems, and he's clearly lost a couple steps. He's been out of office for 20 years. And he's STILL younger than Trump by a couple months. Hillary, not so much. But then again women seem to have a genetic advantage.

I hate that we have come to this Time of Gerontocracy in America. But there it is. Trump/Biden, McConnell (or whomever become majority leader should the Dems take the Senate unless ... Schumer? He's a mere child of 69), Pelosi -- all at least in their mid-70s. What happened to what used to be called Generation X? We're just skipping over them entirely in political leadership? Straight from the boomers to the Millennials (God help us)

Edited September 2, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[Tiberius]

51 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The debates are going to be a train wreck.  The triggered fragile lefties should be prepared for another 4 years of Trump.    

The debates don’t matter. I bet the polls don’t move at all after any, or all three of them 

 

 

And Trump’s head might explode during one of the debates anyway. Hillary turned him into a stammering idiot 

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I assume you mean Trump "has yet to get there." I urge you to compare some of the interviews he did in the 1980s with those he's doing today. Or just watch this (starting at 2:32) to see the "oranges" of my theory:

 

https://www.thewrap.com/bill-maher-campaign-ad-for-democrats-mocks-neurological-mess-trump-video/

 

The problem is that it is not a linear decline curve. Reagan struck me as fine in his 1980 run. By 1984 it was hit or miss, the kind of "good day/bad day" thing we say about grandpa. By the time he was leaving office it was obvious he had no business being in office the last couple years.

EDIT: Bill Clinton too. I saw a couple interviews with him around the DNC time. He's 74, he's had heart problems, and he's clearly lost a couple steps. He's been out of office for 20 years. And he's STILL younger than Trump by a couple months. Hillary, not so much. But then again women seem to have a genetic advantage.

I hate that we have come to this Time of Gerontocracy in America. But there it is. Trump/Biden, McConnell (or whomever become majority leader should the Dems take the Senate unless ... Schumer? He's a mere child of 69), Pelosi -- all at least in their mid-70s. What happened to what used to be called Generation X? We're just skipping over them entirely in political leadership? Straight from the boomers to the Millennials (God help us)

 

Of course there is mental slowing with age, especially when compared to 30 years ago.  But that's why the debates will tell us a lot.

[The Frankish Reich]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Of course there is mental slowing with age, especially when compared to 30 years ago.  But that's why the debates will tell us a lot.

OK, I agree with you on that.

My sense: it's Reagan-Carter all over again. A significant percentage of voters will want to see whether Biden seems to have it together enough to be President and whether he can come off as old middle-of-the-road Joe before they make the final decision to vote for him. If he passes the test, he wins. And remember: the bar's not set all that high.

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, dpberr said:

Joe Biden's campaign operates in a 100% leave nothing to chance controlled environment and I think it's a big mistake. 

 

I think it's easier for Biden to make a speech with a lot of rest and rehearsal, two things you don't get as President.  Similar to HRC in 2016, she was at her best on the days she'd campaign after a few days off.  As the campaign turned into the sprint in October, she was shot.  

 

I'm sorry Democrats, the doing speeches from nearly empty rooms in Delaware, where you can control who's in the room, isn't going to get this job done.  He needs to get out and talk to people and take on the unfriendly press too.  It's part of the job.

 

 

They're stuck.  They limited capacity and kept everyone 6 feet apart.  Unless of course you are protesting racism.

 

They thought these "rules" would hurt Trump (no rallies, massive events).  

 

Their only hope is to rig the debates.  I'm going to lay out in a thread soon how this is going to happen....

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

It's like its the start of the forth quarter, Biden with a 10 point lead, and the football first and ten at his own 20. This speech was a six yard run straight up the middle. Democratic offensive line just pushing the old tired Repubs around! Get out of the way! 

 

Funny....a six yard rush is exactly what the 49ers got on their first play after getting the ball back with a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl.

 

Then at some point, they couldn't hide their QB any longer and he needed to make a play.

[The Frankish Reich]

27 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Funny....a six yard rush is exactly what the 49ers got on their first play after getting the ball back with a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl.

 

Then at some point, they couldn't hide their QB any longer and he needed to make a play.

But Trump =/= Mahomes

Sometimes it makes sense to run it right up the middle 3 times. I'm not saying it'll work; I'm just saying it's a reasonable strategy.

EDIT: when your opponent is screaming "we want you out of your basement" it may be wise to say "why on earth would I do what YOU want me to do."

Edited September 2, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[keepthefaith]

Joe is scrambled eggs at this point.  It's sad that so many politicians stay in office until the grave or nearly that long.  Same for SCOTUS justices.  Don't these poeple have something better to do in the twilight of their lives?  Even sadder is that the electorate continually keeps so many old farts in office and so many old farts that deserve to be benched on job performance alone.  Trump too at this point is too old. 

 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

OK, I agree with you on that.

My sense: it's Reagan-Carter all over again. A significant percentage of voters will want to see whether Biden seems to have it together enough to be President and whether he can come off as old middle-of-the-road Joe before they make the final decision to vote for him. If he passes the test, he wins. And remember: the bar's not set all that high.

 

We'll see how he does.  Especially how he defends supporting a radical agenda...and then not and his lies about what he would have done to combat COVID.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

We'll see how he does.  Especially how he defends supporting a radical agenda...and then not and his lies about what he would have done to combat COVID.

First we'll need to send you to reeducation camp. It's the CHINA VIRUS not COVID. ?

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

First we'll need to send you to reeducation camp. It's the CHINA VIRUS not COVID. ?

 

I don't want to use a racist canard/dog whistle...

[The Frankish Reich]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I don't want to use a racist canard/dog whistle...

Good choice. I have no issue with "Wuhan Virus" since that is its origin, and there's no other virus of public health significance that originated there. China Virus is so nonspecific that its racist undertones clearly exceed any gain in clarity/simplicity (which China virus?)

Edited September 2, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I saw the speech. I'd give it a 6/10 as a political speech. Nothing earth shattering. Biden wanted to stake out his turf (not for defunding the police, etc., etc.) and he did. Certainly not inspiring. Delivered in an o.k. manner. A few verbal missteps, but nothing to support the wild "his brain is a gelatinous mass of amyloid plaques" stuff I hear from Trump supporters.

Meanwhile, to show my even handedness: Trump's RNC acceptance speech was also a 6/10 as a political speech. Also kind of a nothingburger policy-wise, but delivered reasonably effectively in a manner of a person who (assuming no preexisting bias) doesn't seem wild and out of control. The Davy Crockett stuff doesn't resonate with me, but I know lots of seniors that it probably does resonate with. Good use of the props of the White House and National Mall, regardless of what you think about the propriety of using such backdrops for political purposes.

But yet we predictably have this. "Greatest speech ever." "Senile old grandpa who doesn't even know where he is."

What is wrong with people? Is there anything in the political world other than confirmation bias these days?

These are two old men who have seen better cognitive days. It is a rare person in his/her mid-70s who is not showing some significant decline, and these guys are no exception. (To me the exception in this race was Bloomberg, who seems to be exactly the same whiny-yet-self-important know-it-all he was in his 50s.)  Neither was any kind of genius in the traditional IQ sense, but both had their gifts as different types of glad-handers/deal-makers. 

Fair enough.  There were plenty of reasons to dislike Biden before this election cycle, it’s one of reasons dems rejected him for presidency when he was 100%.  
 

As for the gelantainous mass,  we’ll have to agree to disagree.   There are many signs of the onset of dementia over the last several months.  From referencing long dead allies, to forgetting words like “God” in a prepared speech to reading the teleprompter text including the description, he’s on his way.  His unwillingness to take/answer questions, the overmanagement of his appearances and the like certainly buttress that school of thought.  On top of all that....he’s basically been a couch potato for the past several years.  He’s been under no real job-related stress, and still, I see a geezer in full geez. 
 

As for DJT, your thoughts are duly noted but his style has been the same since he started.  He rambles, repeats himself, delivers a few excellent jabs, lather/rinse/repeat.  When I was Biden when he was in his prime plagiarizing days, he was an effective speaker in the College football coach style.  
 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

But Trump =/= Mahomes

Perhaps — but in terms of political instincts, no one in DC is close to his level. He’s proven time and time again to have a seemingly preternatural instincts when it comes to politics. He keeps on being right/on the more popular side, sooner or later you can’t write it off as mere luck. 

[The Frankish Reich]

13 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Perhaps — but in terms of political instincts, no one in DC is close to his level. He’s proven time and time again to have a seemingly preternatural instincts when it comes to politics. He keeps on being right/on the more popular side, sooner or later you can’t write it off as mere luck. 

I agree with that. Up until he kind of jumped the shark, Scott Adams of Dilbert fame was right on point regarding Trump's ability to "read the crowd" -- one of the reasons the rallies are so effective for him. He tests his messaging and then finds the weak point to exploit. I sense we're already seeing that as he moves away from Sleepy Joe to "Hidin' Biden".  His "low energy" takedown of Jeb was perfectly executed because it just seemed to fit the bill.

[Brueggs]

16 hours ago, Tiberius said:

The debates don’t matter. I bet the polls don’t move at all after any, or all three of them 

 

 

And Trump’s head might explode during one of the debates anyway. Hillary turned him into a stammering idiot 

If the debates don't matter, why is Biden camp trying so hard to make them not happen?  I know it hurts, but even you have to know why...

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Brueggs said:

If the debates don't matter, why is Biden camp trying so hard to make them not happen?  I know it hurts, but even you have to know why...

 

Because...Trump lies.  That's why!