Presidential Debates 2020

[ziltoid]

I will be shocked if one presidential debate happens.  They will create cover for Biden and have a VP debate or two so we don't have to hear the crinkle and Edison noises, if you know what I mean.

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Why would that make it legitimate? You are saying (I think) that this would make the comment accurate as a matter of fact.

I am saying that in the poster's original context "black" adds nothing in the form of legitimate argument, such that we have to question why anyone would include it.

I am not one to cry "racism" every time someone's race is noted. If we are talking like pundits (and this board is ostensibly about punditry) it's fine to discuss why a candidate of one race or another is in a better situation to win or lose. But that's different, and I think you are intelligent and can see that.

People are not allowed to use color to describe someone?

 

[The Frankish Reich]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

People are not allowed to use color to describe someone?

 

OK, I don't want to go all Sensitivity Trainer on you, but let's try this.

 

A. "A pedestrian was killed last night after being hit by a vehicle. The driver did not stop to render assistance, and police say he failed to yield at a red light. Police suspect that the driver may have been impaired. The driver is described as a black man, approximately 30 years old, driving a late-model Ford truck that may have some front-end damage. If you have information that may be relevant to the police investigation, you are encouraged to call Buffalo police at [number]."

 

B. "A pedestrian was killed last night after being hit by a vehicle. The driver did not stop to render assistance, and police say he failed to yield at a red light. The driver fled at a high rate of speed and ran into a tree and was killed instantly. The driver was a black man, approximately 30 years old, driving a late-model Ford truck. Police are withholding his identity pending identification of next of kin.

 

Is the race of the driver relevant in one but not the other?

(Maybe that will help)

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

OK, I don't want to go all Sensitivity Trainer on you, but let's try this.

 

A. "A pedestrian was killed last night after being hit by a vehicle. The driver did not stop to render assistance, and police say he failed to yield at a red light. Police suspect that the driver may have been impaired. The driver is described as a black man, approximately 30 years old, driving a late-model Ford truck that may have some front-end damage. If you have information that may be relevant to the police investigation, you are encouraged to call Buffalo police at [number]."

 

B. "A pedestrian was killed last night after being hit by a vehicle. The driver did not stop to render assistance, and police say he failed to yield at a red light. The driver fled at a high rate of speed and ran into a tree and was killed instantly. The driver was a black man, approximately 30 years old, driving a late-model Ford truck. Police are withholding his identity pending identification of next of kin.

 

Is the race of the driver relevant in one but not the other?

(Maybe that will help)

Frankish, give it up.

 

[B-Man]

 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Frankish, give it up.

 

So, no response. Because referring to an "angry black woman" in the original post was clearly in the manner of my example "B" -- a gratuitous reference to race that had nothing to do with the premise of the post. Unless the premise of the post was something other than what it purported to be ...

Don't defend the indefensible. 

Edited September 14, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

So, no response. Because referring to an "angry black woman" in the original post was clearly in the manner of my example "B" -- a gratuitous reference to race that had nothing to do with the premise of the post. 

Don't defend the indefensible. 

 

 

[Westside]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

So, no response. Because referring to an "angry black woman" in the original post was clearly in the manner of my example "B" -- a gratuitous reference to race that had nothing to do with the premise of the post. Unless the premise of the post was something other than what it purported to be ...

Don't defend the indefensible. 

The only reason she was chosen was because she is black. Now you can't even call her black? Good lord the left has lost their minds.

[The Frankish Reich]

8 minutes ago, westside2 said:

The only reason she was chosen was because she is black. Now you can't even call her black? Good lord the left has lost their minds.

I am not "the left." I voted for Romney for chrissakes.

Because people are either inadvertently or deliberately mischaracterizing what I had a problem with, I'll share it again:

 

There have been 44 Presidents (G Cleveland counted 2x), /9= over 20% chance Biden will not finish term.

But of the two, Biden 4-5 years older, lack of campaigning stamina, gaffs all make Trump the better choice, especially with an angry black K Harris as the. President in waiting

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

 

 

[The Trump Virus]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

 

No live audience? That's disappointing for me!  

[Tiberius]

50 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

I will be shocked if one presidential debate happens.  They will create cover for Biden and have a VP debate or two so we don't have to hear the crinkle and Edison noises, if you know what I mean.

Biden isn’t the one needing cover. The guy who lied about the virus does 

[3rdnlng]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I am not "the left." I voted for Romney for chrissakes.

Because people are either inadvertently or deliberately mischaracterizing what I had a problem with, I'll share it again:

 

There have been 44 Presidents (G Cleveland counted 2x), /9= over 20% chance Biden will not finish term.

But of the two, Biden 4-5 years older, lack of campaigning stamina, gaffs all make Trump the better choice, especially with an angry black K Harris as the. President in waiting

While this really doesn't have much to do with the argument put forth, I don't see Kamala Harris as angry. She has shown that she is a clown by laughing at serious matters. Was it funny that she is Jamaican and has had many personal experiences with ganja? What about when she dismissed her claims against Biden as being racist (in the first dem debate) with laughter? To her, it's all just a performance, as if she was on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

While this really doesn't have much to do with the argument put forth, I don't see Kamala Harris as angry. She has shown that she is a clown by laughing at serious matters. Was it funny that she is Jamaican and has had many personal experiences with ganja? What about when she dismissed her claims against Biden as being racist (in the first dem debate) with laughter? To her, it's all just a performance, as if she was on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. 

Fair points.

(See, it's easy to be critical of someone without crossing a line)

[Deranged Rhino]

2 hours ago, meazza said:

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/trump-says-hes-down-to-participate-in-a-4-hour-debate-with-biden-on-joe-rogans-podcast/

 

Brilliant. Agree to something Joe could never possibly do, would never possibly do, and claim victory. 

 

The man knows what he's doing. 

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

So, no response. Because referring to an "angry black woman" in the original post was clearly in the manner of my example "B" -- a gratuitous reference to race that had nothing to do with the premise of the post. Unless the premise of the post was something other than what it purported to be ...

Don't defend the indefensible. 

 

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I am not "the left." I voted for Romney for chrissakes.

 

 

You may not think you're left, but your brain has been infested by critical theory -- which is noxious poison for the mind. Its unstated goal is in fact the opposite of the cause you believe you're fighting for. Ingesting Marxism under the guise of "critical race theory" (or any of its offspring) is a losing battle if you wish to remain a free thinking person. 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Deranged Rhino

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

You may not think you're left, but your brain has been infested by critical theory -- which is noxious poison for the mind. Its unstated goal is in fact the opposite of the cause you believe you're fighting for. Ingesting Marxism under the guise of "critical race theory" (or any of its offspring) is a losing battle if you wish to remain a free thinking person.

Read the actual quote from the post, then defend that instead of attacking some strawman Marxist/critical race theorist.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

I will be shocked if one presidential debate happens.  They will create cover for Biden and have a VP debate or two so we don't have to hear the crinkle and Edison noises, if you know what I mean.

 

Oh, the debates will happen.  

[ziltoid]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Oh, the debates will happen.  

 

I guess I should have specified live, in-person debates will never happen.  Virtual, maybe?

[Deranged Rhino]

27 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Read the actual quote from the post, then defend that instead of attacking some strawman Marxist/critical race theorist.

 

I did. Comment stands. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I did. Comment stands. 

Somehow you are too intelligent to write things like the poster I quoted. So I'll take that as you know that something's wrong with it, but that poster is a fellow traveler so you don't want to condemn it.