Backintheday544 Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: The problem for Trump on these numbers: third party candidates got almost 5% of the vote in 2016. They will probably get more on the order of 1% this year. Hard to imagine that those people will break for Trump in anything more than, say, a 2 (Biden) to 1 (Trump) ratio. Most of these people were anti-Hillary but not pro-Trump, and there's little reason they'd be converted to Trump now. So that means Trump stuck at 47 max probably gets Biden to his 5 point margin. And that's very likely to result in an electoral college victory too. That seems to be a good reason why the Republican lawyers are helping Kanye so much.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, Backintheday544 said: That seems to be a good reason why the Republican lawyers are helping Kanye so much. That's right. But ... despite my rule of "it is impossible to underestimate people" it seems like this is gaining zero traction.
Backintheday544 Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: Wallace: Will you condemn white supremacists ...? President Trump: Sure Liberals: THE PRESIDENT REFUSED TO CONDEMN WHITE SUPREMACISTS!!! For the real quote; During a segment dedicated to race, Chris Wallace, the moderator, asked Trump, "Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down?" Trump tiptoed around the question and instead doubled down that "almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing." Wallace pushed back on Trump, along with former Vice President Joe Biden, and again asked him to address right-wing violence "What do you want to call them?" Trump asked. "Give me a name, give me a name." "Proud Boys," Biden said, referring to a far-right group. "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by," Trump responded.
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: They weren't auditing them and I've said it a couple times, Americans don't need tax returns to search for fraud, they need it to see where income comes from and conflict of interest. We still hear how did the Clinton's get all that money? Well you can look at their return and see their royalty income from speaking and writing. It doesn't show if they fudged deductions or are hiding illegal money from the Clinton Foundation, but we can at least see where the income is from per their word. They took the information gained under a microscope, and conducted a broad based criminal investigation into them, which turned up tax fraud committed by Trump’s former lawyer.
transplantbillsfan Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I've been saying this since 2015. From the Blood coming out of Megyn Kelly's eyes or whatever he said. That was August 2015. His introduction to America in the first GOP debate. He hasn't changed. It hasn't mattered. He keeps winning. But sure tell them what to do. I think he knows exactly what he wanted to do. It hasn't mattered??? He keeps winning??? Are you living in an alternate reality where President Trump has already won a 2nd term??? Donald Trump won the 2016 election. If somehow that equals "he keeps winning" to you... well... 31 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: There was no bigger softball than "Do you condemn white supremacists." That's kind of like "Do you condemn running over kittens with lawnmowers?" Trump flubbed it all by himself, no help from Chris Wallace or Joe Biden. One of the most disgusting and pathetic moments of the debate. It's probably going to be in an ad tomorrow.
Rob's House Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: For the real quote; During a segment dedicated to race, Chris Wallace, the moderator, asked Trump, "Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down?" Trump tiptoed around the question and instead doubled down that "almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing." Wallace pushed back on Trump, along with former Vice President Joe Biden, and again asked him to address right-wing violence "What do you want to call them?" Trump asked. "Give me a name, give me a name." "Proud Boys," Biden said, referring to a far-right group. "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by," Trump responded. Except you conveniently cut out the answer to Wallace's first question, which was "sure." Then when they followed up and he asked them which group they wanted him to tell to "stand down" they said Proud Boys (not a white supremacist or militia group, BTW) and he told them to stand down. The big "gotcha" that you're clinging to is that he also said "stand by." I guess you gotta take your talking points where you can get them. 2
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: There was no bigger softball than "Do you condemn white supremacists." That's kind of like "Do you condemn running over kittens with lawnmowers?" Trump flubbed it all by himself, no help from Chris Wallace or Joe Biden. So the fact he didn't start screaming it at that exact moment even though he has denounced them before means none of those other times ever counted right?
Backintheday544 Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, Rob's House said: Except you conveniently cut out the answer to Wallace's first question, which was "sure." Then when they followed up and he asked them which group they wanted him to tell to "stand down" they said Proud Boys (not a white supremacist or militia group, BTW) and he told them to stand down. The big "gotcha" that you're clinging to is that he also said "stand by." I guess you gotta take your talking points where you can get them. Sure didn't denounce anything. He flippantly was like sure He said stand down and stand by. Why you leave out the stand by? Proud Boys has ties to white supremacists don't know how that's debatable. He also never said, i condemn white nationalist. It's not like it's a new thing for him. He has frequently not done so.
Rob's House Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said: Sure didn't denounce anything. He flippantly was like sure He said stand down and stand by. Why you leave out the stand by? Proud Boys has ties to white supremacists don't know how that's debatable. He also never said, i condemn white nationalist. It's not like it's a new thing for him. He has frequently not done so. It's in my fukking post, dipsh!t. And cite your source for your Proud Boys allegation. Got anything other than SPLC? Edited September 30, 2020 by Rob's House
The Frankish Reich Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: So the fact he didn't start screaming it at that exact moment even though he has denounced them before means none of those other times ever counted right? The post I was responding to said that Chris Wallace gave only Biden softball questions. I pointed out that he lobbed this softball to Trump, and Trump took a mighty swing at it and ... whiffed.
Big Blitz Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Except you conveniently cut out the answer to Wallace's first question, which was "sure." Then when they followed up and he asked them which group they wanted him to tell to "stand down" they said Proud Boys (not a white supremacist or militia group, BTW) and he told them to stand down. The big "gotcha" that you're clinging to is that he also said "stand by." I guess you gotta take your talking points where you can get them. I'm also sure Trump was ticked Biden didn't get this question about Antifa.....Wallace let him get away with saying they arent real. Wallace let Biden tell the story of the Church. Wallace didn't interrupt to ask "why was the Church on fire?" He's a joke. But we knew this. 3
Rob's House Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 "Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans." - Donald Trump, Aug. 14, 2017 https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/ 2
The Frankish Reich Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I'm also sure Trump was ticked Biden didn't get this question about Antifa.....Wallace let him get away with saying they arent real. Wallace let Biden tell the story of the Church. Wallace didn't interrupt to ask "why was the Church on fire?" He's a joke. But we knew this. Biden correctly volunteered that Trump's own FBI Director stated that Antifa is a movement, but not an organization in any normal sense of the word because it lacks any organizational structure. Trump ... argued with his own Government, just like he argued with the CDC about vaccines. This seems to be a problem with this Administration. Edited September 30, 2020 by The Frankish Reich 1
Big Blitz Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: Biden correctly volunteered that Trump's own FBI Director stated that Antifa is a movement, but not an organization in any normal sense So what organization do the "white supremacists" belong to? And if you think it's the Klan you may want to take a closer look at who those folks support. And Wallace didn't say the KKK. He said white supremacists. That's an idea. Not an organization. 1
Rob's House Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Biden correctly volunteered that Trump's own FBI Director stated that Antifa is a movement, but not an organization in any normal sense of the word because it lacks any organizational structure. Trump ... argued with his own Government, just like he argued with the CDC about vaccines. This seems to be a problem with this Administration. "Rose City Antifa is a group. Antifa Seven Hills is a group. Antifa Sacramento is a group. Atlanta Antifascists is a group. Youth Liberation Front is a group. There are many, many antifa groups. And they are violent." https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-antifa-is-an-idea-not-an-organization/ 2 1
The Frankish Reich Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: "Rose City Antifa is a group. Antifa Seven Hills is a group. Antifa Sacramento is a group. Atlanta Antifascists is a group. Youth Liberation Front is a group. There are many, many antifa groups. And they are violent." https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-antifa-is-an-idea-not-an-organization/ Well, the FBI Director disagreed in testimony before Congress. 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: So what organization do the "white supremacists" belong to? And if you think it's the Klan you may want to take a closer look at who those folks support. And Wallace didn't say the KKK. He said white supremacists. That's an idea. Not an organization. You are forgetting the question. It was "why was Biden not asked to disavow Antifa" My response: he volunteered an answer, citing to the FBI Director.
Rob's House Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, the FBI Director disagreed in testimony before Congress. And empty suit Christopher Wray's word means what, exactly? 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, Rob's House said: And empty suit Christopher Wray's word means what, exactly? He is Trump's FBI Director. He is in charge of investigating domestic terrorism. He was in charge of the DOJ Criminal Division, appointed by the Bush 43 administration. He was nominated by Trump. Really ... this arguing with his own Administration is just ridiculous. YOU can argue with the Trump Administration all you want; he can't, at least not without looking like a fool. 1
Rob's House Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: He is Trump's FBI Director. He is in charge of investigating domestic terrorism. He was in charge of the DOJ Criminal Division, appointed by the Bush 43 administration. He was nominated by Trump. Really ... this arguing with his own Administration is just ridiculous. YOU can argue with the Trump Administration all you want; he can't, at least not without looking like a fool. So in your estimation is one obligated to endorse every statement made by his appointee whether he agrees with it or not?
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