dorquemada Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 18 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: I feel like people are conflating being against a wildcat strike with being against social justice. Skipping a week of football does nothing to solve any problem, it's just stroking the egos of millionaires to make them feel better. Anyone who wants to make a difference to any cause should donate and get involved in their community to band together and actually help solve issues. This is false activism and the only community it serves is the NFLPA so people can give them credit for being woke. Yup, and the fact that Lebron James is the figurehead for the NBA 'social justice' movement tells you everything you need to know. What a loathesome SOB who actively promotes the ChiComs and refuses to even acknowledge the modern day holocaust being perpetrated in slow motion against the Uighers by said ChiComs. We're to self flagellate (if you're white) over what happened in this country 160+ years ago, but we're not allowed to talk about what is happening to millions of innocents RIGHT NOW because China is a big market for these modern day Eichmanns. Not to mention all the sweatshops where they make Nike garbage with literal child labor. This was never about social justice, it is about social preening, or as you said false activism, which i like as a phrase, while ignoring something that history will look back on in the same way we view the Armenian Genocide, the Holocaust, the Holodomor, and the rape of Nanjing. I just wish someone in our 4th estate was brave enough to call them out on it, but most of them are either on the ChiCom payroll, or agree with them so I'm not going to hold my breath for that either.
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, racketmaster said: I agree that athletes have a higher platform than most but with that also comes some greater responsibility and if they decide to speak out they should also be fully informed and not create unnecessary panic like LeBron continually stating any of the recent victims from police could be him. Umm, yeah it could be you LeBron if you decide to rob a store, get hyped up on drugs or alcohol and begin to resist arrest or actively fight with police when they arrive to arrest you. I’m not saying they deserved to die and in some of the situations the police could have done things better but I also find these hindsight arguments lack any context or perspective from the law enforcement side. Lets take the recent Atlanta shooting where all we saw in beginning was police shooting a black man in the back while he was running away with a taser gun that he was turning around to fire at officers. Ok, looks like they could have done something different and shooting seems needless. But then the full video and details come out and victim is wanted on warrant for violating probation, victim is clearly intoxicated and does not want to go back to jail, officers try talking with him to gain cooperation over a period of 15-20 minutes before they decide to try and place him in custody and victim goes full mma fight with the 2 officers throwing haymakers and managing to get the taser gun off one of the officers before running away and then turning back to shoot. There are a number of points in which this victim could have chose a different path but he kept making decisions that put him and the officers at risk. It is dark, after struggling with the victim and seeing him take off with a gun, the officer may have had enough. Anybody that has just been in a fight will tell you there is a little extra adrenaline running though you and maybe the officer overreacted on that adrenaline. This is a case that has a lot of nuance to it just like just about every single one of the high profile cases of late. I feel bad for all parties involved but the victim made a series of bad decisions and I have a hard time seeing the league celebrate he and others like Blake who was wanted on felony sexual assault for sexually assaulting a female for a second time. So, yes just about everybody is against racism and if the message from the NFL was “Treat everyone as equals”, “Let’s all come together as one” or some better phrases similar to that then we are all on board. But BLM phrases are political and socialist organizations that I don’t want to see promoted during a Bills game and the victims being celebrated I have a hard time celebrating because their backgrounds and actions show a lot of poor and criminal decisions (Taylor is a separate case but also very nuanced and she was tied closely to a wanted drug dealer-needless to say she was not murdered by police while sleeping in her bed but her case does raise serious questions about the no knock police raids and hopefully results in some changes there) Fair points but I think what LeBron and other athletes are saying is that they weren’t in their position, that could be them. Plenty of non-criminal black men have been hassled by the police for fitting a description. here is a story of a nba player who had his leg broken by the NYPD. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/06/nba-star-thabo-sefolosha-nypd-lawsuit Like everything, a few bad apples makes the majority look bad. But for too long, a lot of bad cops were able to do bad things unchecked. Hopefully, that is changing because being a police officer is one of the most noble professions there is. 40 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Yup, and the fact that Lebron James is the figurehead for the NBA 'social justice' movement tells you everything you need to know. What a loathesome SOB who actively promotes the ChiComs and refuses to even acknowledge the modern day holocaust being perpetrated in slow motion against the Uighers by said ChiComs. We're to self flagellate (if you're white) over what happened in this country 160+ years ago, but we're not allowed to talk about what is happening to millions of innocents RIGHT NOW because China is a big market for these modern day Eichmanns. Not to mention all the sweatshops where they make Nike garbage with literal child labor. This was never about social justice, it is about social preening, or as you said false activism, which i like as a phrase, while ignoring something that history will look back on in the same way we view the Armenian Genocide, the Holocaust, the Holodomor, and the rape of Nanjing. I just wish someone in our 4th estate was brave enough to call them out on it, but most of them are either on the ChiCom payroll, or agree with them so I'm not going to hold my breath for that either. I’d definitely describe the guy born to a 15 year old mother in poverty, who has never been in legal trouble in his life, who has built almost a billion dollar empire with his friends and family, who married his high school sweetheart and is a great dad, while building schools in his hometown, loathsom. Great call. the funniest thing is that people who hate on LeBron probably love a dude who has everything handed to him while being married numerous times. 1 2
dorquemada Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fair points but I think what LeBron and other athletes are saying is that they weren’t in their position, that could be them. Plenty of non-criminal black men have been hassled by the police for fitting a description. Lebron is a hypocrite of the highest order and should be called out about his ties to the ChiComs and harassed about the plight of the Uighers. It's absolutely amazing to me that is being ignored the way it is. Remember all the hysteria about Trump's (really Obama's but never mind) 'concentration camps' on the southern border? Let's take those, scale them up 10,000x, then start systematically killing people, and sterilizing all the women. That's what Lebron's people in China are doing, but the press is oddly silent about it. Why do you suppose that is? Uigher lives dont matter?
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, dorquemada said: Lebron is a hypocrite of the highest order and should be called out about his ties to the ChiComs and harassed about the plight of the Uighers. It's absolutely amazing to me that is being ignored the way it is. Remember all the hysteria about Trump's (really Obama's but never mind) 'concentration camps' on the southern border? Let's take those, scale them up 10,000x, then start systematically killing people, and sterilizing all the women. That's what Lebron's people in China are doing, but the press is oddly silent about it. Why do you suppose that is? Uigher lives dont matter? Are you outraged about Trump having his products made in China? Or apple? Or is this just a position to distract from social justice in America? also, why should LeBron being speaking out about China? Is he from there? Should he speak out about every country’s issues?
dorquemada Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Are you outraged about Trump having his products made in China? Or apple? Or is this just a position to distract from social justice in America? also, why should LeBron being speaking out about China? Is he from there? Should he speak out about every country’s issues? Lebron is held up as some kind of bright light on 'oppression' issues, but when people tried to speak out about the Uighers, the NBA forbade all discussion of it. They're owned lock stock and barrel by the ChiComs. Just imagine if an NBA player were allowed to put 'remember the Uighers' on his shoe or headband. Just imagine it!
K-9 Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, I don’t really get what the opposite side of this is. Pro racism? And while I do get some of the I don’t want politics in sports argument (my ex’s dad was like that and he was just a great dude who was sick of all political bs), politics has always been a part of sports. Politics and pro sports have been inseparable since their inception, so I don’t know anyone can be surprised. Actually, I can as our level of consternation is directly related to our level of acceptance of the political issue involved. It’s no wonder that anyone who thinks racism is not an issue in this country would be outraged by the stance taken by pro sports leagues in their quest to raise awareness and show support for both their internal and external customers. What’s most interesting to me is the level to which sports leagues (read owners) and high profile players are willing to get involved. 2
racketmaster Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) We have had at least 35 police officers die in gunfire this year and the numbers are more than usual but this causes little to no outrage. Plus, more than a hundred have died of COVID and how many are related to dealing with the protests and being spit on and such. There are narratives that the mainstream media chooses to focus on and every time a black person is killed by a police officer it becomes a story even though white and Hispanic deaths at the hands of police will go unreported. See the connection, as the media knows that certain police deaths cause outrage and in turn ratings. By promoting only certain stories and by promoting only half truths related to each of the deaths the media is creating division in the country at the expense of a profit and ratings. And most people don’t bother to investigate cases, they see a clip or hear LeBron speak on it and that is good enough for them. But it is dangerous and irresponsible to create a narrative that anytime a black male leaves there home they are at risk of being shot by police. An unarmed black man has a greater chance of being struck by lightning than being shot by police yet the narrative makes it seem as it is commonplace. It causes division and disenfranchisement amongst the black community. We experienced some of this after the Ferguson riots (which the media also told half truths and turned a blind eye to key details) but the current media narrative seems to have taken it to the next level. So if you are a young black male and really believe you will be shot if you encounter a police officer than of course there will be mistrust and a sense of who cares so lets just join in and loot and burn it down since the system hates us. Edited September 4, 2020 by racketmaster
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 3 hours ago, dorquemada said: Lebron is a hypocrite of the highest order and should be called out about his ties to the ChiComs and harassed about the plight of the Uighers. It's absolutely amazing to me that is being ignored the way it is. Remember all the hysteria about Trump's (really Obama's but never mind) 'concentration camps' on the southern border? Let's take those, scale them up 10,000x, then start systematically killing people, and sterilizing all the women. That's what Lebron's people in China are doing, but the press is oddly silent about it. Why do you suppose that is? Uigher lives dont matter? The NBA and Lebron are both hypocrites, I recall they wanted to fire Daryl Morey of the Rockets for having the unashamed gall to call out the Chinese on Hong Kong and tweeted "Fight For Freedom and Stand with Hong Kong". Or course he was humiliated into submission and forced to apologize. . The NBA’s two-year ratings tank just took tanking up another notch. As pointed out last night, year-over-year, the first round of the playoffs was down an eye-popping 27%. Furthermore, the first round’s 1.94 million average is down 40% from two seasons ago, the last time LeBron James participated in the playoffs. 3 hours ago, racketmaster said: We have had at least 35 police officers die in gunfire this year and the numbers are more than usual but this causes little to no outrage. Plus, more than a hundred have died of COVID and how many are related to dealing with the protests and being spit on and such. There are narratives that the mainstream media chooses to focus on and every time a black person is killed by a police officer it becomes a story even though white and Hispanic deaths at the hands of police will go unreported. See the connection, as the media knows that certain police deaths cause outrage and in turn ratings. By promoting only certain stories and by promoting only half truths related to each of the deaths the media is creating division in the country at the expense of a profit and ratings. And most people don’t bother to investigate cases, they see a clip or hear LeBron speak on it and that is good enough for them. But it is dangerous and irresponsible to create a narrative that anytime a black male leaves there home they are at risk of being shot by police. An unarmed black man has a greater chance of being struck by lightning than being shot by police yet the narrative makes it seem as it is commonplace. It causes division and disenfranchisement amongst the black community. We experienced some of this after the Ferguson riots (which the media also told half truths and turned a blind eye to key details) but the current media narrative seems to have taken it to the next level. So if you are a young black male and really believe you will be shot if you encounter a police officer than of course there will be mistrust and a sense of who cares so lets just join in and loot and burn it down since the system hates us. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
Matt_In_NH Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 5 hours ago, nucci said: you can't compare your job to that of a professional athlete. You can be replaced much easier and company probably won't miss you. Seahawks won't cut Russell Wilson You are right they have leverage more than the common man. But why can't someone compare them? Just because you have leverage does not mean you should use it. 1
Mr. WEO Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fair points but I think what LeBron and other athletes are saying is that they weren’t in their position, that could be them. Plenty of non-criminal black men have been hassled by the police for fitting a description. here is a story of a nba player who had his leg broken by the NYPD. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/06/nba-star-thabo-sefolosha-nypd-lawsuit Like everything, a few bad apples makes the majority look bad. But for too long, a lot of bad cops were able to do bad things unchecked. Hopefully, that is changing because being a police officer is one of the most noble professions there is. I’d definitely describe the guy born to a 15 year old mother in poverty, who has never been in legal trouble in his life, who has built almost a billion dollar empire with his friends and family, who married his high school sweetheart and is a great dad, while building schools in his hometown, loathsom. Great call. the funniest thing is that people who hate on LeBron probably love a dude who has everything handed to him while being married numerous times. But them “ChiComs” tho....
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 I heard it was over dissin' Josh Rosen.
racketmaster Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: The NBA and Lebron are both hypocrites, I recall they wanted to fire Daryl Morey of the Rockets for having the unashamed gall to call out the Chinese on Hong Kong and tweeted "Fight For Freedom and Stand with Hong Kong". Or course he was humiliated into submission and forced to apologize. . The NBA’s two-year ratings tank just took tanking up another notch. As pointed out last night, year-over-year, the first round of the playoffs was down an eye-popping 27%. Furthermore, the first round’s 1.94 million average is down 40% from two seasons ago, the last time LeBron James participated in the playoffs. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3235072001
Prickly Pete Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) They'll protest if Trump wins the election. Edited September 5, 2020 by Prickly Pete
DuckyBoys Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 Lot of casual fans have already tuned out sports. People vote with their wallets. Lose more fans = revenue lost = less money for the players down the road. Takes a long time to regain fans and momentum. Ratings way down for sports and news media programming. Covid-19 + election cycle (maybe the ugliest one ever) and the social unrest/violence means people are looking for some escapism.
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 11:42 AM, C.Biscuit97 said: Are you outraged about Trump having his products made in China? Or apple? Or is this just a position to distract from social justice in America? also, why should LeBron being speaking out about China? Is he from there? Should he speak out about every country’s issues? Lebron has defended China, which is a big deal when he has bashed our country. If he was simply silent on China and points out our flaws it is one thing but to praise them when they are literally a 100 times worse than us makes him a hypocrite. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/amp/LeBron-James-comments-on-China-an-14535304.php 1
dorquemada Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 4:18 PM, Mr. WEO said: But them “ChiComs” tho.... Is it offensive to refer to them that way? I sure wouldn't want to end up in re-education camp for wrongthink! Blessed be St Lebron
4merper4mer Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) On September 5, 2020 at 3:39 PM, Buffalo Timmy said: Lebron has defended China, which is a big deal when he has bashed our country. If he was simply silent on China and points out our flaws it is one thing but to praise them when they are literally a 100 times worse than us makes him a hypocrite. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/amp/LeBron-James-comments-on-China-an-14535304.php To be fair to LeCom, he makes lots of $$$$$$$$$$ from Chinese slaves so he needs to defend his revenue stream. Edited September 8, 2020 by 4merper4mer 2
fergie's ire Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 11:55 AM, racketmaster said: We have had at least 35 police officers die in gunfire this year and the numbers are more than usual but this causes little to no outrage. Plus, more than a hundred have died of COVID and how many are related to dealing with the protests and being spit on and such. There are narratives that the mainstream media chooses to focus on and every time a black person is killed by a police officer it becomes a story even though white and Hispanic deaths at the hands of police will go unreported. See the connection, as the media knows that certain police deaths cause outrage and in turn ratings. By promoting only certain stories and by promoting only half truths related to each of the deaths the media is creating division in the country at the expense of a profit and ratings. And most people don’t bother to investigate cases, they see a clip or hear LeBron speak on it and that is good enough for them. But it is dangerous and irresponsible to create a narrative that anytime a black male leaves there home they are at risk of being shot by police. An unarmed black man has a greater chance of being struck by lightning than being shot by police yet the narrative makes it seem as it is commonplace. It causes division and disenfranchisement amongst the black community. We experienced some of this after the Ferguson riots (which the media also told half truths and turned a blind eye to key details) but the current media narrative seems to have taken it to the next level. So if you are a young black male and really believe you will be shot if you encounter a police officer than of course there will be mistrust and a sense of who cares so lets just join in and loot and burn it down since the system hates us. Over the last 10 years, an avg. of 27 Americans have died from lightening per year. Over that time, the rate of African-American deaths from shootings is 31 per million. Even if there were only 1 million African-Americans in the country, and every person killed by lightning were black (seems unlikely) that would still be more deaths from police than lightning. There is the issue of unarmed...according to a 2012 report, most victims were armed (but African-American victims were much more likely to be unarmed) at about 15%....but that would still mean many more killed by police than lightning. But it sounds good, so.....
racketmaster Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, fergie's ire said: Over the last 10 years, an avg. of 27 Americans have died from lightening per year. Over that time, the rate of African-American deaths from shootings is 31 per million. Even if there were only 1 million African-Americans in the country, and every person killed by lightning were black (seems unlikely) that would still be more deaths from police than lightning. There is the issue of unarmed...according to a 2012 report, most victims were armed (but African-American victims were much more likely to be unarmed) at about 15%....but that would still mean many more killed by police than lightning. But it sounds good, so..... I should have used "shot" and not killed by police as the article referenced by me did not include other means of deaths (vehicles, beatings, choke holds etc.) but still the total in 2019 of all types of unarmed black killings at the hands of police in 2019 was 25 deaths (at least according to USA today). Now with blacks making up 13% of the population in the US, 25 killings in a year does not seem like an epidemic as you stated 27 Americans die of lightning per year. Is 25 too many, well I guess 1 would be considered too many. But without researching each case, "unarmed" is likely to be somewhat deceiving (was the suspect cooperative, did they resist arrest, run away, grab for their gun etc.). The numbers don't say peaceful unarmed suspects killed by police. I would venture a guess that the vast majority of the unarmed killings, the suspects were doing something other than being cooperative. There are probably a handful of cases that the officers were completely out of line and should be charged and held accountable by a jury of their peers. But the general point is that the media and often the players (who have higher profile positions of power based on the numbers who follow them on social media) are perpetuating a myth that black people (especially males) are at great risk of being killed by police just about any time they leave their homes. It creates an atmosphere of fear and more animosity and mistrust between police and black communities. So are there some bad officers out there, you betcha, just like there is in every profession. There are going to be some bad doctors out there and if you are treated by one, they may end up killing you. But we accept the risk and put our trust in the fact that most doctors are good and the bad ones can hopefully be weeded out over time. What bothers me is that the vast amount of blame is being heaped on police officers and most officers are good people who live in the communities they serve and want to see there communities safe. I'm not against banning certain police tactics or offering different training, eliminating officers from the force who have a certain number of verified complaints etc. But the black community (and this really goes for all people but since it is currently defined as a black person getting killed by police issue) also needs to step up and be more accountable. We need more fathers in homes and we need to be more respectful and peaceful when stopped by police. If there is harassment from police, report it. But it is never a good thing to start mouthing off and fighting police. Changing levels of respect starts in the homes and unfortunately there are way too many young people who are completely disrespectful toward any type of authority (this goes for all races). I think more community based policing efforts, more positive interaction between police and youth in minority communities needs to happen whether through recreation leagues or camping etc. Schools need a complete overhaul and there needs to be more school choice for parents instead of the random charter school or private school stipend. Demonizing one side or another will not work, everyone will need to step up some and do their part in order to solve some of these issues. I also think it might not be a bad idea to make a requirement that all Americans spend a year serving in the military or fulfilling a 1 year community service requirement like the peace corps. This could help young people gain a greater appreciation for the country, bring people together as a team, and help instill greater respect and discipline. There are many more things that smarter people than me could come up with that could make a positive change in the black community and the country as a whole but the current mainstream rhetoric is not one of those things. Edited September 8, 2020 by racketmaster
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