MattM Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/5/2020 at 8:27 PM, aristocrat said: FYI it was Biden who called the minorities predators not me I should have used quotations. Biden help write the 86 drug bill and the 94 crime bill. Both had devastating effects on the minorities. So much of what conservatives “know” is just false. To quote Dear (former) Leader, SAD.... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statesman.com/news/20201102/fact-check-did-joe-biden-call-black-youth-rsquosuper-predatorsrsquo%3ftemplate=ampart
aristocrat Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, MattM said: So much of what conservatives “know” is just false. To quote Dear (former) Leader, SAD.... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statesman.com/news/20201102/fact-check-did-joe-biden-call-black-youth-rsquosuper-predatorsrsquo%3ftemplate=ampart I didn’t use the word super so it was correct. His effect on minorities has been devastating.
MattM Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, aristocrat said: I didn’t use the word super so it was correct. His effect on minorities has been devastating. He never called them predators—read the fact check. Trump used clips of him using the word predator, but never showed the full Clip to link that term to minorities. The full clip showed he wasn’t singling out any ethnic or racial group when using that term “The context of what Biden said shows that he was talking about people hypothetically becoming predators, and it shows he did not single out Blacks, African Americans, or any other racial or ethnic group.” Edited November 7, 2020 by MattM
aristocrat Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, MattM said: He never called them predators—read the fact check. Trump used clips of him using the word predator, but never showed the full Clip to link that term to minorities. The full clip showed he wasn’t singling out any ethnic or racial group when using that term “The context of what Biden said shows that he was talking about people hypothetically becoming predators, and it shows he did not single out Blacks, African Americans, or any other racial or ethnic group.” We know what he meant. And based on how the bill ended up screwing over the minority communities we definitively know what he meant.
MattM Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, aristocrat said: We know what he meant. And based on how the bill ended up screwing over the minority communities we definitively know what he meant. so what did Trump mean in all his various overt and subtle racist comments over the years? Birtherism, Central Park 5, DOJ settlement, sh&thole countries, etc? Just another day in the Fox facts free zone.... Edited November 7, 2020 by MattM
aristocrat Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, MattM said: so what did Trump mean in all his various overt and subtle racist comments over the years? Birtherism, Central Park 5, DOJ settlement, sh&thole countries, etc? Just another day in the Fox facts free zone.... Here’s the facts. None of those comments actually had an effect on minority communities. Biden’s bills literally ruined people’s lives. Millions or tens of millions of lives. But facts
MattM Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Here’s the facts. None of those comments actually had an effect on minority communities. Biden’s bills literally ruined people’s lives. Millions or tens of millions of lives. But facts What color is the sky on your world? I’m busy today, but how are those 535 kids without parents at the border doing? You gonna adopt a bunch of them? Enjoy your weekend celebrating your new President-elect
aristocrat Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, MattM said: so what did Trump mean in all his various overt and subtle racist comments over the years? Birtherism, Central Park 5, DOJ settlement, sh&thole countries, etc? Just another day in the Fox facts free zone.... you’re not going to win any argument based on Biden’s record with minorities. Your only response is likely “it seemed like a good idea at the time” or “it was a bipartisan deal”.face it you elected a worse guy than trump and it’s hilarious how you’re trying to justify it. Just now, MattM said: What color is the sky on your world? I’m busy today, but how are those 535 kids without parents at the border doing? You gonna adopt a bunch of them? Enjoy your weekend celebrating your new President-elect 535 kids compared to tens of millions of lives ruined? Ok bud.
MattM Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, aristocrat said: you’re not going to win any argument based on Biden’s record with minorities. Your only response is likely “it seemed like a good idea at the time” or “it was a bipartisan deal”.face it you elected a worse guy than trump and it’s hilarious how you’re trying to justify it. 535 kids compared to tens of millions of lives ruined? Ok bud. Other than the fact that he just got 80 plus percent of the black vote. Or are they just all uninformed? and as I said, I could literally go on all day about his policies’ effect on people of color (as could anyone paying attention even remotely closely), but it’s a beautiful day here today and I need to be productive now that my time lifting is over. have a good day celebrating Biden’s victory!
Process Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 What's going on with the senate? From what I can tell it's currently 48-48 with two georgia run offs in January. Where are the other two seats? Looking like 50/50 is best case for dems?
aristocrat Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, MattM said: Other than the fact that he just got 80 plus percent of the black vote. Or are they just all uninformed? and as I said, I could literally go on all day about his policies’ effect on people of color (as could anyone paying attention even remotely closely), but it’s a beautiful day here today and I need to be productive now that my time lifting is over. have a good day celebrating Biden’s victory! more than one thing can be true. I hope Biden does well as president. But the fact is you raged for four years about Trump being racist and then you went ahead and voted in a guy that is factually worse on minorities. You keep doing the what about trump and his record but yet can only point to some fairly small issues. Just admit Biden’s record on minorities is worse than trumps and we can move on.
HappyDays Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Process said: Looking like 50/50 is best case for dems? Yes, with Kamala Harris as the deciding vote. Maybe that will mean Democrats and Republicans will actually have to work together again. That or 4 years of incessant gridlock. Yeah, I'm putting my money on incessant gridlock, which I will be okay with after 4 years of our loud dumb president. 5 minutes ago, aristocrat said: more than one thing can be true. I hope Biden does well as president. But the fact is you raged for four years about Trump being racist and then you went ahead and voted in a guy that is factually worse on minorities. You keep doing the what about trump and his record but yet can only point to some fairly small issues. Just admit Biden’s record on minorities is worse than trumps and we can move on. I'm happy to admit I don't like Biden's or Harris's history of "tough on crime" policies. That's okay. I still voted for them on the first day of early voting after three consecutive election cycles where I abstained. Usually I'm apathetic about the presidency. This time I would have taken just about anyone over the Apprentice host. I don't think it ever quite sunk in with me that we really elected Donald Trump as president. The last 4 years has truly embarrassed me. 2
keepthefaith Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 16 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Why not work on making college more affordable than making me pay for someone else’s kids college? Yes. So many universities are state run, they set the cost within their states. Many are affordable, some are free to low income students. The states themselves can control this if they want. Buffalo State for example offers free tuition to a lot of students. The grad rates for those students is awful which isn't a surprise as free stuff is often not appreciated. College isn't for everyone.
Doc Brown Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 3 hours ago, aristocrat said: I didn’t use the word super so it was correct. His effect on minorities has been devastating. Are you referring to the crime bill? If so, that's a really simplistic take. The results are mixed (crime decreased drastically helping inner cities but it eventually led to mass incarceration) but there were a lot of prominent black mayors in cities that were pushing for it at the time.
aristocrat Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Are you referring to the crime bill? If so, that's a really simplistic take. The results are mixed (crime decreased drastically helping inner cities but it eventually led to mass incarceration) but there were a lot of prominent black mayors in cities that were pushing for it at the time. he also co wrote the 86 drug bill. I swear to god I’m gonna go crazy if hear that it seemed like a good idea at the time as some way to justify Biden not being responsible for destroying minorities. It’s such a god awful stupid take
Doc Brown Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 If he holds on in Georgia Biden will finish with 306 electoral college votes. The same as Trump in 2016. Also, first president since Kennedy in 1960 to wing election despite losing Ohio and Florida. 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: he also co wrote the 86 drug bill. I swear to god I’m gonna go crazy if hear that it seemed like a good idea at the time as some way to justify Biden not being responsible for destroying minorities. It’s such a god awful stupid take How old are you out of curiosity?
WideNine Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 16 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Why not work on making college more affordable than making me pay for someone else’s kids college? Stop the corporate-capture of our public protection institutions: Ex. Trump nominates former coal lobbyist put in charge of the EPA Trump nominated the FCC lead a man who advocates government censorship of online media. Also looking to roll back deals made to prevent large ISPs from selectively throttling internet traffic. Support and restore the Independant Government inspection offices. Reinstating those who lost their jobs due to Trump whistleblower retaliation. Strengthen whistleblower protections. Drain the DOJ swamp. Hire competent cabinet and keep them in role long enough to be effective. Flush the USPS board and leadership, remove the ridiculous decades long pension funding requirement congress demanded that makes them appear to be operating in the red. 1
WideNine Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: If he holds on in Georgia Biden will finish with 306 electoral college votes. The same as Trump in 2016. Also, first president since Kennedy in 1960 to wing election despite losing Ohio and Florida. How old are you out of curiosity? This guy never stops...even once his tenuous arguments are debunked he just keeps going. Not you Doc, if that is not clear. I find the ignore feature useful when dealing with someone who keeps regurgitating the same thing just moving the words around and who recasts valid counterpoints as "deflection" rather than provide meaningful arguments as to their merit. That reminds me..... I have a box to check. Edited November 7, 2020 by WideNine
aristocrat Posted November 7, 2020 Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: If he holds on in Georgia Biden will finish with 306 electoral college votes. The same as Trump in 2016. Also, first president since Kennedy in 1960 to wing election despite losing Ohio and Florida. How old are you out of curiosity? 37 why?
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