keepthefaith Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 Michigan had 4.8 million votes cast for Pres in 2016. This year the number will be between 5.5 and 5.6 million. That's a 16% increase. Unheard of and much larger than the increases throughout the county. Also, Trump went from about +320K at 2:00 AM eastern election night/AM to now down 150K votes meaning a 470K vote swing for Biden. In that time Trump gained few votes, Biden gained nearly all of them. Mail in voting aside, that doesn't smell right and it needs to be looked at. There are other irregularities in other states too. In the end we have to get this right and be confident that the numbers reflect real votes and whoever wins, wins but things don't smell right in some places. It has to be reviewed closely.
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, keepthefaith said: Michigan had 4.8 million votes cast for Pres in 2016. This year the number will be between 5.5 and 5.6 million. That's a 16% increase. Unheard of and much larger than the increases throughout the county. Also, Trump went from about +320K at 2:00 AM eastern election night/AM to now down 150K votes meaning a 470K vote swing for Biden. In that time Trump gained few votes, Biden gained nearly all of them. Mail in voting aside, that doesn't smell right and it needs to be looked at. There are other irregularities in other states too. In the end we have to get this right and be confident that the numbers reflect real votes and whoever wins, wins but things don't smell right in some places. It has to be reviewed closely. Everyone knew before the election that the vast majority of Democrat votes would come through the mail because of COVID. They were never going to go line up and cast their votes in person in meaningful numbers. None of this is surprising.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Everyone knew before the election that the vast majority of Democrat votes would come through the mail because of COVID. They were never going to go line up and cast their votes in person in meaningful numbers. None of this is surprising. Trump: Don't use mail-in voting! Vote in person on Election Day! Don't mail your ballots in! Trump and Trump Supporters: Why are all the mail-in ballots for Biden? Something's fishy!! 1 1
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Trump: Don't use mail-in voting! Vote in person on Election Day! Don't mail your ballots in! Trump and Trump Supporters: Why are all the mail-in ballots for Biden? Something's fishy!! Also Trump: "Stop counting!" in (PA and GA) and "Keep counting!" in (AZ and NV).
keepthefaith Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Everyone knew before the election that the vast majority of Democrat votes would come through the mail because of COVID. They were never going to go line up and cast their votes in person in meaningful numbers. None of this is surprising. No it's very surprising for the numbers to be that heavy in favor of 1 candidate. Dems went to court in many states to have the rules for voting loosened up and in many cases those changes were granted. There were fears that it would reduce the integrity of the vote. Now we have numbers that are very one sided and an unprecedented increase in vote counts. It needs to be looked at. No big deal, Audit the results and make sure they are air tight. 1
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, keepthefaith said: No it's very surprising for the numbers to be that heavy in favor of 1 candidate. Dems went to court in many states to have the rules for voting loosened up and in many cases those changes were granted. There were fears that it would reduce the integrity of the vote. Now we have numbers that are very one sided and an unprecedented increase in vote counts. It needs to be looked at. No big deal, Audit the results and make sure they are air tight. It's not surprising at all. These are just baseless right wing talking points that don't reflect reality. 1
keepthefaith Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It's not surprising at all. These are just baseless right wing talking points that don't reflect reality. Not baseless. I gave you numbers. There are irregularities. They should be explored and they will be.
Reader Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It's not surprising at all. These are just baseless right wing talking points that don't reflect reality. Prior to the election, they had the amount of mail in's listed which could be sorted by party affiliation, age, etc... No one cared or said anything about the breakdown until now...strange how that works. In other words, you are exactly correct.
Backintheday544 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Not baseless. I gave you numbers. There are irregularities. They should be explored and they will be. None of those are irregularities. Before the election everyone knew this would be one of if not the largest election turnouts of all time. And it is been. Like Trump or not, almost everyone has an opinion on him and that drove out the votes. Having mail in ballots go mainly blue isn’t a surprise at all. This too was something talked about even before Tuesday.
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Not baseless. I gave you numbers. There are irregularities. They should be explored and they will be. It is baseless. Republicans who did mail in vote did so from all over the state. Those vote collection stations were under less pressure, and have reported 98% of their vote in pretty much every situation. The remaining vote is from urban areas where the collection stations were overwhelmed by mail in votes from democrats. As a result, the votes coming in are coming in 80-90% for democrats because democrats overwhelmingly live in cities like Philadelphia.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Not baseless. I gave you numbers. There are irregularities. They should be explored and they will be. There are "irregularities" when comparing to prior elections. But nothing that is unexpected or inexplicable by anyone paying attention going into this election. Sure, they'll be double-checked, but yall can tone down your conspiracy theories. 2
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Fake news. Actual Wisconsin voter turnout is roughly 71%.
Back2Buff Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Fake news. Actual Wisconsin voter turnout is roughly 71%. Prove it
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Prove it https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/verify/verify-wisconsin-turnout-not-massively-larger-than-normal/507-ac05b2f4-fdfe-4bc5-91d5-7a22496c3314 There were only 200k more votes cast than last time in Wisconsin. They compared the number of votes to the number of registered voters and compared that number to the number of votes relative to the number of eligible voters in past years. This information is complete garbage. It's apples or oranges. Word of advice - don't get your info from people with #MAGA in their bio.
Backintheday544 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: These numbers are looking at two different things. All the ones prior to 2020 the formula is votes / voting age population. The last one is votes/ registered votes as of 11/1.
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said: These numbers are looking at two different things. All the ones prior to 2020 the formula is votes / voting age population. The last one is votes/ registered votes as of 11/1. It's literally apples to oranges to create a bad number that MAGAs don't understand so they can scream about fraud. The right wing propaganda being pumped out is nothing but lies at this point.
Backintheday544 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Prove it calm down and look at the lower left corner. What’s the temperature? 19 degrees. Was it 19 degrees at any time in Nov in Detroit? No. So what’s up? This picture is from December 2019 and that law suit is settled. The graphic, we found, as well as the report it came from, were real. However, the news segment aired not in November 2020, but in December 2019. The lawsuit referenced in the report was dropped by the plaintiff on July 1, 2020, after “remedial action” was taken by the city of Detroit 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: It's literally apples to oranges to create a bad number that MAGAs don't understand so they can scream about fraud. The right wing propaganda being pumped out is nothing but lies at this point. They’re also using voter registration numbers from prior to 11/3. WI allows same day registration that’s not reflected in their 3.6 million number they keep coming up with. 1 1
dma0034 Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Prove it On top of being wrong... why is it instantly the democrats? Trump's rural voting is more than anything anyone has seen before he became President in 2016. He's a hated president by the left. I see this election as his loss rather than a Biden win.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, dma0034 said: On top of being wrong... why is it instantly the democrats? Trump's rural voting is more than anything anyone has seen before he became President in 2016. He's a hated president by the left. I see this election as his loss rather than a Biden win. Good point. For the record, in September Trump encouraged his supporters to try to vote twice. As did Mike Huckabee in October. So if there is any fraud, it's more likely Republican since only one side was actively and publicly encouraging supporters to cheat. (And we know these followers will do anything their dear leader tells them)
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