Are we better off now than we were four years ago?

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Brueggs said:

Considering the pandemic, if you can really call it that, and the economic fallout associated with that, combined with racial tensions, its hard to say Americans are better off.  

 

The real question is what is the underlying cause of this decay?

 

Never Trumpers will moan that its all Trumps fault....its just what they do.  

 

This is much bigger than any individual.

 

Take a look at all the efforts the DNC has made to derail literally everything this president has attempted to do.  They will literally stop at nothing to carry out their agenda.  They have sewn division everywhere they can, and blame Trump.  They create civil unrest, and blame Trump.  Given the timing of it, I wouldn't be surprised if they were responsible for unleashing the virus....and blaming Trump.  They have the media at their disposal, college campuses blocking conservative viewpoints and Hollywood echoing their viewpoints.  They have accepted billions of dollars from known global socialists and created groups that prey on the emotions of individuals, all the while using those individuals as puppets to carry out an agenda that has nothing to do with what appears on the surface.  Its not about equality, its about causing civil unrest and division.  They are so hell bent on removing a man that recognizes them for what they are, that they are willing to sacrifice the well being of an entire nation.  This organized group of globalists have been at this for decades, and they are getting so close they can taste it.  They are the root cause of what we are seeing today.  

 

Some will say Trump caused this, but the reality is that this is what caused Trump. Who else would have the sack to stand up to this?

That’s a lot of conspiracy theory in one paragraph.   Impressive .  I guess. 

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Sparky, eh?  Channeling you inner jerky boys tonight.  Better than blowing your racist dog whistle, I suppose. 

 

Not everything is racist.  Maybe one day you libs will learn that.  Or at least, stop using it as a crutch.

[dpberr]

I'd frame this question in the what if:

 

What's President Hilary R. Clinton been up to for four years?  What would America look like if she had won in 2016 and became President?  

 

I think President Clinton has America engaged in a hot war in Syria and Iran, with heavy 2005-era insurgency action in Iraq and Afghanistan. America's military is weary,  and the American public is divisively split on the conflict. 

 

Yes Trump's America is a complete mess but HRC's America is just as messy. Where Trump is a narcissist, Clinton's hubris is right on that level. 

 

We should get around to fielding  better candidates sometime. 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by dpberr

[Kemp]

[SectionC3]

7 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Not everything is racist.  Maybe one day you libs will learn that.  Or at least, stop using it as a crutch.

 

I know that not everything is racist.  But I also know that "Wuhan virus" is racist.  Maybe one day you will stop blowing that dog whistle. 

7 hours ago, dpberr said:

I'd frame this question in the what if:

 

What's President Hilary R. Clinton been up to for four years?  What would America look like if she had won in 2016 and became President?  

 

I think President Clinton has America engaged in a hot war in Syria and Iran, with heavy 2005-era insurgency action in Iraq and Afghanistan. America's military is weary,  and the American public is divisively split on the conflict. 

 

Yes Trump's America is a complete mess but HRC's America is just as messy. Where Trump is a narcissist, Clinton's hubris is right on that level. 

 

We should get around to fielding  better candidates sometime. 

 

 

Your views on Hillary are interesting.  Maybe they're right.  But we'll never know.  Bottom line, though: in your opinion, Trump's America is a complete mess.  

[SoCal Deek]

49 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I know that not everything is racist.  But I also know that "Wuhan virus" is racist.  Maybe one day you will stop blowing that dog whistle. 

 

You are terribly uninformed. Virtually all major pandemic like diseases are named after their place of origin. It has nothing to do with race at all. It has to do with GEOGRAPHY!! Do you think Ebola is some fancy marketing term? What about SARS? What about MERS? What about Lyme disease? Sheeeesh! By the way, were you outraged when Governor Cuomo called it the Euro Virus during the DNC? Or was that OK....because, you know, they’re mostly white people. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

I know that not everything is racist.  But I also know that "Wuhan virus" is racist.  Maybe one day you will stop blowing that dog whistle. 

 

It's not.  Move on from your puppet masters' talking points.

[Gary M]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/25/jacob-blake-shooting-white-house-says-evers-turned-down-federal-help/3439506001/ 

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/02/867565338/governors-push-back-on-trumps-threat-to-deploy-federal-troops-to-quell-unrest

 

https://www.voanews.com/usa/democratic-governors-reject-trumps-call-send-military

 

Democrats own the mess they have allowed.

Edited September 1, 2020 by Gary M

[Westside]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Your faux outrage is duly noted, now where's my coffee????

[Brueggs]

9 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

That’s a lot of conspiracy theory in one paragraph.   Impressive .  I guess. 

Outside of the intentional spread of the virus, which I didn't say happened, I said it wouldn't surprise me....what isn't true?  

 

Are you trying to tell me the MSM, college campuses and Hollywood mouth pieces have a level playing field for liberals and conservatives?   Where?

 

[Kemp]

8 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/25/jacob-blake-shooting-white-house-says-evers-turned-down-federal-help/3439506001/ 

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/02/867565338/governors-push-back-on-trumps-threat-to-deploy-federal-troops-to-quell-unrest

 

https://www.voanews.com/usa/democratic-governors-reject-trumps-call-send-military

 

Democrats own the mess they have allowed.

 

I guess I was wrong when I thought Trump was the sitting President. Thanks for the correction.

[Gary M]

4 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

I guess I was wrong when I thought Trump was the sitting President. Thanks for the correction.

 

actually that is the only thing you have right.

 

POTUS can not do anything about the rioters until he is asked by the governors. He is working within the constitution.

 

Are you suggesting he should ignore that?

[Buftex]

2 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

actually that is the only thing you have right.

 

POTUS can not do anything about the rioters until he is asked by the governors. He is working within the constitution.

 

Are you suggesting he should ignore that?

It hasn't stopped him before.

[Kemp]

2 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

actually that is the only thing you have right.

 

POTUS can not do anything about the rioters until he is asked by the governors. He is working within the constitution.

 

Are you suggesting he should ignore that?

 

Only saying that all we are witnessing is during his administration. That stuff used to matter to you folks. Different now, eh?

[Gary M]

3 minutes ago, Buftex said:

It hasn't stopped him before.

 

When?

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

Only saying that all we are witnessing is during his administration. That stuff used to matter to you folks. Different now, eh?

 

because democrats refuse to stop it, and in some cases encourage it.

Edited September 1, 2020 by Gary M

[Kemp]

1 minute ago, Gary M said:

 

When?

 

because democrats refuse to stop it.

 

So, how are we better off than 4 years ago?

[Gary M]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

So, how are we better off than 4 years ago?

 

Better trade deals, less wars, booming economy (prior to covid),

[SectionC3]

31 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's not.  Move on from your puppet masters' talking points.

 

It is.  It’s a racist canard.  It fans bigotry, prejudice, and fear.  If you decide to use it, that’s on you.  It’s disappointing that you’re not better than that. 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Gary M said:

 

Better trade deals, less wars, booming economy (prior to covid),

 

One of the key words in the question is “now.”  So are we better off “now” than we were four years ago?  Your “prior to COVID” qualification implies that we are not? 

 

And, if I could ask, for whom is the economy booming?  For Wall Street? Or Main Street? Or both?

7 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

When?

 

Border wall funding is a prime example. 

[Gary M]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

It is.  It’s a racist canard.  It fans bigotry, prejudice, and fear.  If you decide to use it, that’s on you.  It’s disappointing that you’re not better than that. 

 

 

 

 

One of the key words in the question is “now.”  So are we better off “now” than we were four years ago?  Your “prior to COVID” qualification implies that we are not? 

 

And, if I could ask, for whom is the economy booming?  For Wall Street? Or Main Street? Or both?

 

Border wall funding is a prime example. 

 

It was a debate!!!    Why not say "bedfellows" oh thats right #heelsupharris slept with a married Willie Brown to get ahead (pun intended)

 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Gary M

[Kemp]

1 minute ago, Gary M said:

 

Better trade deals, less wars, booming economy (prior to covid),

 

Booming economy?

 

Another person who doesn't understand that the stock market isn't the country's economy.

If everyone in the country was unemployed and 5 million Americans had died from the virus, and homelessness was at a record high, your thimble-like brain would think it was a booming economy.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/30/896714437/3-months-of-hell-u-s-economys-worst-quarter-ever

I know you won't understand it, but what the hell.

Worst quarter ever equals a booming economy.

 

I love the terminally stupid.