2021 Salary Cap - Bills could potentially be overspent

[Buffalo_Stampede]

18 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Thanks for sharing the article Virg, and using the $175 mil. model, there are only around 6-7 teams that can roll over their space to potentially cover the drop given if they don’t have ballooning contracts coming up in 21.  Yolo’s right, the cap is a moving target, and Mark Gaughen was on point that Hauschka was not just a talent decision, but a cost cutting one.  Don’t be surprised if no one picks him up, we bring him back to the PS at the league minimum.   
 

There are so many variable, it is very difficult to make predictions.  For example, because Star opted out, even if we cut him next year, we still owe him for this years compensation minus the $350k.  It’s also why fans that say, oh well, Clowney is now going to the Pats.  The Pats May be towards the top in cap space, but they have to pay next year on a shrunken cap all of those opt out s they keep or their salaries this year.  Talking about the cap is like going to Fat Tuesday’s, drinking too fast one of those daiquiris, and getting a brain freeze.

We could see Trent Murphy released as well to cap for  next season. They really like Darryl Johnson and Bryan Cox jr is having a good camp.

[machine gun kelly]

Stampede, the only reason I didn’t bring up Murphy is it’s already been talked about so much, but I was thinking the exact same thing.  I don’t know much about Cox in this camp, but if Johnson is close to Murphy, he’s gone.  Any thought of a cap problem goes away and may even encourage Beane to do the same thing with Milano as Dawkins as they get to lump in this cheap rookie year with a fair market contract.  That becomes possible if we decide Murphy isn’t that much better than Johnson.

 

I trust Beane, but I would have peace of mind if we finished it now, take advantage of spreading things out over five years.  I expect and will be very happy if this and a Beane extension happens now.  Considering McD’s extension, it is absolutely amazing to think the coaching GM tandem would be over our Bills for eight years.  We can hope and pray after several deep playoff runs, they do another extension for these guys in 2024, so we now keep the security of a team like the Steelers up to 14 years and growing.  This kind of continuity bodes well for success.  Just look at the Steelers history over the last 50 years.

[first_and_ten]

10 hours ago, Virgil said:

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html
 

Interesting article and something to think about.  I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t...

 

Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year.  But Milano, some of the other guys coming up?

 

I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense.  Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut.  
 

Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. 

 

I think the TV deal gets done. It always has.

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, nucci said:

It's way too early to even speculate about this. I also doubt the owners and players will agree to allow the cap to be reduced by a significant amount.

 

They have already agreed to the framework concerning the cap reduction.

Thus the 175 million number that everyone is using (including Beane).

[nucci]

5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

They have already agreed to the framework concerning the cap reduction.

Thus the 175 million number that everyone is using (including Beane).

ok kinda missed that but that's the minimum number. It could go higher, just not lower. New TV deals could increase it.

[TigerJ]

A potentially lower cap is why a player like Reggie Gilliam has a chance to unseat Patrick DiMarco and what made it a bit easier for the Bills to take a chance on Tyler Bass instead of an expensive veteran.  That's not the only reason Buffalo let Stephen Hauschka go, but it did make it easier.

[TheElectricCompany]

22 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

If the Chiefs can afford all of the contracts on their roster including Mahomes huge deal, the 49ers have several large contracts as do the Seahawks, I’m not even a little bit concerned about the Bills guys getting paid.

 

Same - we can afford to keep plenty of our players.

The Chiefs had ~$200 of 2020 cap space before Mahomes, Kelce and Jones were signed. No, that's not a typo.

They found a way, and barring the Pegulas going cheap, so will we.

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by TheElectricCompany

[klos63]

22 hours ago, Virgil said:

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-an-eye-to-2021-what-hauschka-cut-dawkins-deal-mean-for-bills/article_be8c1560-e928-11ea-9f2b-8f56afed8992.html
 

Interesting article and something to think about.  I think the TV deal gets done and the cap goes up, but if it doesn’t...

 

Tre can probably be re-signed in a way that works with the cap because of what he’ll be owed for his 5th year.  But Milano, some of the other guys coming up?

 

I think Beane is operating the right way and the Hausch cut makes more sense.  Star deferring to next year I think hurts us a little, as I think he would have been a cut.  
 

Either way, a lot of teams could be in some trouble. 

Do we save much by cutting Star next season. If the replacements do well, he may be expendable

[Saxum]

15 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Thanks for sharing the article Virg, and using the $175 mil. model, there are only around 6-7 teams that can roll over their space to potentially cover the drop given if they don’t have ballooning contracts coming up in 21.  Yolo’s right, the cap is a moving target, and Mark Gaughen was on point that Hauschka was not just a talent decision, but a cost cutting one.  Don’t be surprised if no one picks him up, we bring him back to the PS at the league minimum.   
 

There are so many variable, it is very difficult to make predictions.  For example, because Star opted out, even if we cut him next year, we still owe him for this years compensation minus the $350k.  It’s also why fans that say, oh well, Clowney is now going to the Pats.  The Pats May be towards the top in cap space, but they have to pay next year on a shrunken cap all of those opt out s they keep or their salaries this year.  Talking about the cap is like going to Fat Tuesday’s, drinking too fast one of those daiquiris, and getting a brain freeze.

 

Hauschka is not signing for PS minimum - they changed the rules and capped amount players on PS can be paid.

He has try out for Titans.

https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/30/tennessee-titans-working-out-k-stephen-hauschka/

https://www.si.com/college/ncstate/football/ncstate-wolfpack-football-nfl-kicker-steven-hauschka-tryout-titans

 

Compensation next year for Star does NOT go down $350K - there are two types of payments for COVID-19 - opt out because I feel like it is an advance and the other is medical and is not an advance. I do not think they plan on cutting Star next year - it is why his contract was redone before COVID.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, klos63 said:

Do we save much by cutting Star next season. If the replacements do well, he may be expendable

 

Sadly not. We did before he opted out. But it moved his 2020 money into 2021. 

Edited August 31, 2020 by GunnerBill

[billsfan89]

It is way too early to speculate about this. Honestly if there is a significant decrease in the cap the owners will either "smooth" it out over a series of years or trigger a clawback provision in the CBA to have the players take a paycut based on their contracts being a proportion of the cap (the CBA stipulates that the players get a percentage of the football revenue.) Or the NFL could keep the cap flat or cut it by a small amount and then have the players take a cut on their back end revenue (mostly merchandising revenue.) 

 

Either way the NFL is not going to have a competitive position where 90% of the league is dramatically at or over the cap and the players want to ensure the new crop of free agents isn't screwed. I can't see a drastic 23 million cut in the cap. I think at most they would cut the cap 5-10 million and then make up the other 8-13 million by increasing the cap less the next 3 seasons. Or keep the cap relatively flat and then have the players put money in escrow and claw it back on the back end. 

 

The "doomsday" scenario of a 23 million dollar cut in the cap isn't likely to happen without some sort of control mechanism. 

[MAJBobby]

I could see the NFL elimination or changing dead cap rules if it does Tank with COVID. NFLPA will also agree to accounting hanged as well because they won’t want their players hitting the street in mass with no way to sign them.