billvernsays Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) In light of what going on in the country I wanted to get to the bottom of why Fitzmagic is so popular among Bills fans where Tyrod is not. My thought is it all comes down to heart. Fitzmagic didn’t care about throwing picks but he was gonna try to get that critical 3rd down conversion no matter what. Like when you can tell watching the game on TV “If we don’t get this one it’s over” Fitz could care less if he threw at pick at that point because he knew the game was over either way if we didn’t convert. Tyrod was the exact opposite he would never lose you a game but if we were behind the chains at all(e.g holding penalty or sack) we might as well have punted on 3rd down every time. As frustrating as that may have been he would rarely turn the ball over, especially when it mattered most. ( e.g. last year when Fitz threw a pick to TreDay allowing us to climb back into the game). To add to that I believe Tyrod was a main contributor to us ending to drought. My assumption is Fitz is viewed as a warrior, much like Josh Allen, and Tyrod is viewed as a game manager which is why there’s a disparity but perhaps I’m just oblivious. Edited August 29, 2020 by billvernsays
ChevyVanMiller Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, billvernsays said: In light of what going on in the country I wanted to get to the bottom of why Fitzmagic is so popular among Bills fans where Tyrod is not. My thought is it all comes down to heart. Fitzmagic didn’t care about throwing picks but he was gonna try to get that critical 3rd down conversion no matter what. Like when you can tell watching the game on TV “If we don’t get this one it’s over” Fitz could care less if he threw at pick at that point because he knew the game was over either way if we didn’t convert. Tyrod was the exact opposite he would never lose you a game but if we were behind the chains at all(e.g holding penalty or sack) we might as well have punted on 3rd down every time. As frustrating as that may have been he would rarely turn the ball over, especially when it mattered most. ( e.g. last year when Fitz threw a pick to TreDay allowing us to climb back into the game). To add to that I believe Tyrod was a main contributor to us ending to drought. My assumption is Fitz is viewed as a warrior, much like Josh Allen, and Tyrod is viewed as a game manager which is why there’s a disparity but perhaps I’m just oblivious. In light of what's going on in Fitz's life, I think your timing is suspect. But, to answer your question, I enjoyed both of their tenures with the Bills and wish them well always. Edited August 29, 2020 by ChevyVanMiller 19 3
GunnerBill Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 Yea that is basically what it was for me. Fitz's style could have won he just wasn't quite good enough (though the Bills never gave him a defense close to what Tyrod had). Tyrod to me you can't win with in any sustained way. There is a lower ceiling for that style of play. Don't me wrong as much as I wanted to move on from Tyrod and watching him try and play QB infuriated me, I totally respect him for what he did for the franchise and the professional way he dealt with everything that happened in his time here. Essentially both guys were pros.... Fitz was fun. Tyrod was not. 4
billvernsays Posted August 29, 2020 Author Posted August 29, 2020 Just now, ChevyVanMiller said: In light of what's going on in Fitz' life, I think you're timing is suspect. But, to answer your question, I enjoyed both of their tenures with the Bills and wish them well always. That’s fair. Him being discussed is what caused me to think about it. I agree with you, I wish them both the best and I’m very sorry to hear about Fitzpatrick’s mother. 3
YoloinOhio Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) I really like Tyrod as a person too (from what I know). On the field, i would not want either one as my starter. As far as fitzy being more popular per se, I think it’s probably just his gregarious personality and apparent love that he still has for Bills fans, Buffalo etc. Tyrod may have that too but Fitz is just more out there. Edited August 29, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 1
Warcodered Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 what does this have to do with cellphones? 2 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) This should end well.... Both were very entertaining but Fitz was a better and more exciting QB, you were never out of a game with him slinging it, even NE* games... Also I just want to live in that beard Edited August 29, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes 1
Stank_Nasty Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 That crazy a** head first dive into the EZ last year towards the end of the game when they were in our building sums it up pretty good I think. Dude just loves the game and you can tell.
YoloinOhio Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 Tyrod: he would never lose the game for you or win the game for you fitz: he would always keep both teams in the game no matter what 8 6 1 1
MJS Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 It comes down to excitement. Fitz actually had some good passing offenses. Tyrod never did. We had some good running offenses under Tyrod, but that's it. Tyrod was also more frustrating to watch because he never took risks and held onto the ball. Fitz was a gunslinger and took lots of risks, sometimes getting big rewards and sometimes getting picked off. Tyrod kind of had a flat, low-key personality. Fitz was funny, smart, and humble, and he rallied the troops well. BUT, Tyrod was the more successful Bills QB overall and he is underrated. Fitz is liked as a person and leader more than as an actual player. Most fans realize he wasn't a good enough QB to win with because of his physical limitations and taking too many risks. It was time to move on from both of them.
MJS Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 26 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: In light of what's going on in Fitz's life, I think your timing is suspect. But, to answer your question, I enjoyed both of their tenures with the Bills and wish them well always. I pulled my hair out for both, but I believed in Tyrod longer than Fitzpatrick. I still think Tyrod is a great backup or bridge starter to have for your team. Fitzpatrick is also a great backup and leader. Both can come in and win games, in just about the most opposite manner possible. 1
JohnNord Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MJS said: It comes down to excitement. Fitz actually had some good passing offenses. Tyrod never did. We had some good running offenses under Tyrod, but that's it. Tyrod was also more frustrating to watch because he never took risks and held onto the ball. Fitz was a gunslinger and took lots of risks, sometimes getting big rewards and sometimes getting picked off. Tyrod kind of had a flat, low-key personality. Fitz was funny, smart, and humble, and he rallied the troops well. BUT, Tyrod was the more successful Bills QB overall and he is underrated. Fitz is liked as a person and leader more than as an actual player. Most fans realize he wasn't a good enough QB to win with because of his physical limitations and taking too many risks. It was time to move on from both of them. It’s a mix of personality and on-field results. Fitzpatrick is a smart, quick witted guy who would do silly things like stop shaving during the season. His interviews were always a lot of fun!. Tyrod is a tremendous person but very soft-spoken. He comes off as likeable but not in the same was as Fitz. So personality wise, it’s easier to see how fans would be draw toward Fitzpatrick. In terms of style, Fitzpatrick put the Bills in positions to compete with teams above their level. There were multiple times, he single handedly kept the Bills in the game. He also engineered one of the biggest upsets versus New England, and he essentially became a hero that day. That’s his signature win. Tyrod had his moments but he never really had that one signature victory against a good team ik a shootout. Also what holds Tyrod back is his 2017 season. His risk-averse style of play coupled with a conservative and antiquated offense resulted in some painful football. Also I can’t remember it off the top of my head, but Tyrod’s WL in close games was really terrible Edited August 29, 2020 by JohnNord 1
Mickey Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 A bit revisionist I think. Plenty of people wanted Fitz out of Buffalo and were not shy about voicing their conviction that the Bills were wasting his time with him as their QB. That having been said, Tyrod is an introvert and so he was just never able to connect with fans who respected his play. 3
Dr.Sack Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 They are both good backup QBs, not anyone who can win for a long period of time. To win with these guys you need a dominant running game a great defense. Tyrod would lose games simply by not taking risks, and an inability to throw certain routes. Fitz would lose game by taking too many risks, and also didn’t have the prototypical arm. I am glad that both of these QBs are in the NFL as I believe they are good enough. 1
Steve Billieve Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 I really liked Tyrod. I thought he was really, really fun to watch. It's too bad he wasn't a little better. The whole world seems to love Fitz.
GunnerBill Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Steve Billieve said: I really liked Tyrod. I thought he was really, really fun to watch. It's too bad he wasn't a little better. The whole world seems to love Fitz. We must watch football very differently. 1
ngbills Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 It is about expectations. When Fitz was QB it was a joke. No one expected the Bills to win. So they accepted rooting for the underdog, quirky guy from Harvard. Tyrod was better and that led to higher expectations and then let downs. Fitz is not terrible for a bad team wanting a guy to throw the ball all over the place. But your not going to win. Tyrod was a guy that could help a good team win with his legs and lack of mistakes. But he was not going to carry a team on his back.
MJS Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, JohnNord said: It’s a mix of personality and on-field results. Fitzpatrick is a smart, quick witted guy who would do silly things like stop shaving during the season. His interviews were always a lot of fun!. Tyrod is a tremendous person but very soft-spoken. He comes off as likeable but not in the same was as Fitz. So personality wise, it’s easier to see how fans would be draw toward Fitzpatrick. In terms of style, Fitzpatrick put the Bills in positions to compete with teams above their level. There were multiple times, he single handedly kept the Bills in the game. He also engineered one of the biggest upsets versus New England, and he essentially became a hero that day. That’s his signature win. Tyrod had his moments but he never really had that one signature victory against a good team ik a shootout. Also what holds Tyrod back is his 2017 season. His risk-averse style of play coupled with a conservative and antiquated offense resulted in some painful football. Also I can’t remember it off the top of my head, but Tyrod’s WL in close games was really terrible All true, but Tyrod also kept the team in games by not turning the ball over. You just couldn't ask him to go out and win it for you. But W/L isn't even close. Fitz had a TERRIBLE W/L record as a Bill. In close games, who knows, but there's no way that it bridges the gap. Fitz was at his worst in close games and key moments. Guarenteed pick.
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